Ashaway 100% Zyex monofilament

Ramon · Jul 5, 2013

Torres said:
You've never played with ZX as full bed, yet you say that you hate it. Illogical, but fine. You went on to play with gut/ZX at the wrong tension and only then for 5 minutes. You seem have an incredible tendancy to make repeated posts about his string that give the wrong information and wrong advice.

I don't hate ZX. I just hate Gut/ZX. You can believe that a string is great but a hybrid with it sucks. In fact, I plan to try a full bed of ZX in the next few months.

I'm familiar with Hexy Fiber as a cross, so I have a reference where I can compare the power of ZX/Hexy to other combinations. Hexy is less powerful than PPA (which I tested side by side) and ZX/Hexy at 4 pounds higher is comparable to full bed PPA in power. It's called making a reasonable deduction.

I think most people would agree that ZX in the mid 50's is more powerful than poly at any tension, and most think it's harsh when you go higher. You're the only one who thinks Gut/ZX is anything better than absolute garbage. Yes, I know you'll respond with "too low tension" in big letters. I can hardly wait for someone else to try it at 60/56. We should make a wager to see if it's thumbs up or thumbs down.

If what you think is different from the rest of the world, then either you're wrong or the rest of the world is wrong. Which one is it?

Torres · Jul 5, 2013

Ramon said:
I don't hate ZX. I just hate Gut/ZX. You can believe that a string is great but a hybrid with it sucks.

As you have been told many, many, many times already, you strung that natural gut / ZX hybrid at too low a tension (50lbs) on a iffy stringing machine that you've haven't calibrated properly. Completely wrong tension.

You then go on to play with it for only 5 mins in a ridiculously head heavy weighted racquet. So for you to then conclude that "it sucks" when you've done everything wrong that you could have possibly done, is just downright silly.

Ramon said:
In fact, I plan to try a full bed of ZX in the next few months.

Please don't.

mikeler · Jul 5, 2013

Ramon,

I suggest you wait until it gets cooler out to try a full bed of ZX. That extra power will be welcome to overcome the slower conditions.

Ramon · Jul 5, 2013

Torres said:
As you have been told many, many, many times already, you strung that natural gut / ZX hybrid at too low a tension (50lbs) on a iffy stringing machine that you've haven't calibrated properly. Completely wrong tension.

You then go on to play with it for only 5 mins in a ridiculously head heavy weighted racquet. So for you to then conclude that "it sucks" when you've done everything wrong that you could have possibly done, is just downright silly.

Head heavy? The PK Ki 5x is 9 points head light! Mine might be even more head light now that I've taken the lead tape off the head and kept the over grip.

I've also answered the question multiple times on why I spent only 10 minutes with it. Spending more time than that talking to a fat ugly pig isn't going to make her any more beautiful, unless maybe you're going to get intoxicated and wake up the next night wishing you didn't! LOL

Torres · Jul 5, 2013

Ramon said:
Head heavy? The PK Ki 5x is 9 points head light! Mine might be even more head light now that I've taken the lead tape off the head and kept the over grip.

I've also answered the question multiple times on why I spent only 10 minutes with it. Spending more time than that talking to a fat ugly pig isn't going to make her any more beautiful, unless maybe you're going to get intoxicated and wake up the next night wishing you didn't! LOL

You love trying to change your story don't you? Look at the posts earlier on this thread and elsewhere in the forums about your silly lead weighted 370 swingweight extended length racquet. No response then. But 'suddenly' a response now?

50lbs natural gut in that stick was just plain silly.

Anyone reading this thread would be well advised to ignore anything you post about this string because you have no idea what you're doing.

mikeler · Jul 5, 2013

Torres · Jul 5, 2013

Its very silly though mikeler when he keeps on posting 'it sucks' yet can't accept that he's strung it to low in that 370 swing weight, open pattern 100sq sq" extended length racquet of his.

All it does us confuse and mislead anyone who has the misfortune to read his posts.

mikeler · Jul 5, 2013

Torres said:
Its very silly though mikeler when he keeps on posting 'it sucks' yet can't accept that he's strung it to low in that 370 swing weight, open pattern 100sq sq" extended length racquet of his.

All it does us confuse and mislead anyone who has the misfortune to read his posts.

I think anyone following this thread has all the info to make an informed decision. ZX seems to work best at the higher tensions much like gut. My guess is Ramon will try a full bed at a higher tension and will probably enjoy it but I could be wrong.

ricardo · Jul 5, 2013

maxpotapov said:
Some natural guts do not even notch very much, and just keep on sliding on poly "rails" and snap back.

could you specify which natural gut this is?

i used pacific classic ng 17g mains and it notches using either w.sensation 17g or forten sweet 17g on the crosses.

The only cross that I used so far that does not notch p.classic is tourna quasi gut 17g, a string that I don't really like.

Ronaldo · Jul 5, 2013

ricardo said:
could you specify which natural gut this is?

i used pacific classic ng 17g mains and it notches using either w.sensation 17g or forten sweet 17g on the crosses.

The only cross that I used so far that does not notch p.classic is tourna quasi gut 17g, a string that I don't really like.

Curious, ever use poly crosses?

Torres · Jul 5, 2013

mikeler said:
I think anyone following this thread has all the info to make an informed decision.

Not many people are going to read through 1,200 posts. It's like your multis thread. People will just jump to maybe reviews of say the top 5, or the string that they're interested in.

mikeler · Jul 5, 2013

Torres said:
Not many people are going to read through 1,200 posts. It's like your multis thread. People will just jump to maybe reviews of say the top 5, or the string that they're interested in.

You made my point. If you feel Ramon's review is misleading who cares? No one is reading except 10 of us.

mikeler · Jul 5, 2013

I just looked at the thread views and it is 67k. So maybe more than just 10 people.

Ramon · Jul 5, 2013

Torres said:
You love trying to change your story don't you? Look at the posts earlier on this thread and elsewhere in the forums about your silly lead weighted 370 swingweight extended length racquet. No response then. But 'suddenly' a response now?

50lbs natural gut in that stick was just plain silly.

Anyone reading this thread would be well advised to ignore anything you post about this string because you have no idea what you're doing.

First you tell me that you know more about my own stringing machine that I do, and now you tell that I have lead on my racquet after I told you that I don't. I'm afraid I'm so helplessly clueless that I need to ask you how I can go to the bathroom! LOL

Here's a recent picture that I posted on Mikeler's thread after I shanked Pacific Classic:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7505705&postcount=5690

Do you see any lead on that frame? I always put the lead on the inside of the hoop, if I use lead at all, which I don't now.

I think I mentioned a few times recently in other threads that I took the lead off my racquet because I found that I was able to react faster without it. I'm surprised you didn't catch that since you apparently spend so much of your time looking through my posts. Personally, I have better things to do than that.

I do believe that most people reading this thread will get the idea that if you're going to try NG/ZX it's probably best to start at 60/56 or in that vicinity. But I would wager the cost of the strings that the next impartial tester who tries it will hate it as much as I do. I think natural gut and ZX are both good strings, but unlike natural gut and poly, I don't believe they have a beneficial synergy; in fact, they have quite the opposite.

Torres · Jul 5, 2013

Ramon said:
I don't believe they have a beneficial synergy; in fact, they have quite the opposite.

That's because you strung it at too low a tension. I appreciate that there are rocks in your head, but you've been told this by everyone about four trillion times now. So for the fourth trillionth and one time....

50lbs LO or CP for gut/ZX in that racquet of yours is too low

I would have put the above in flashing text but even then it wouldn't register with you. You should stick to bean counting and stop posting in this thread because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and absolutely no idea about how to test strings.

S&V Specialist · Jul 5, 2013

mikeler said:
You made my point. If you feel Ramon's review is misleading who cares? No one is reading except 10 of us.

Misleading posts aren't all that bad anyways. They allow people like me to stock up on the string while someone else is contemplating on rather or not to buy it and not have to anxiously await TW's new shipment.

Ramon · Jul 5, 2013

Torres said:
That's because you strung it at too low a tension. I appreciate that there are rocks in your head, but you've been told this by everyone about four trillion times now. So for the fourth trillionth and one time....

50lbs LO or CP for gut/ZX in that racquet of yours is too low

I would have put the above in flashing text but even then it wouldn't register with you. You should stick to bean counting and stop posting in this thread because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and absolutely no idea about how to test strings.

Why don't you just cool it with your 100 or so posts that say the same thing? We all get the point. I agree it's too low, and I said that much already, but I've tested other setups that were too low also, but they weren't nearly as disastrous, and I have no desire to try it again. I'm not the only one who can't stand it long enough to stay with it on court for more than 5-10 minutes:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7523659&postcount=1014

I think others have tried it also but haven't been as detailed in expressing their dislike for this hybrid. You're the only one who likes it.

Torres · Jul 5, 2013

Ramon said:
We all get the point.

YOU clearly don't.

Ramon said:
I have no desire to try it again.

Good.

Now stop posting in this thread, because you clearly have no useful experience to contribute with the disasterously tensioned half set that you strung using your badly calibrated stringing machine. All you're doing is misleading anyone who comes across your unfortunate posts.

Ramon · Jul 5, 2013

Torres said:
YOU clearly don't.

Good.

Now stop posting in this thread, because you clearly have no useful experience to contribute with the disasterously tensioned half set that you strung using your badly calibrated stringing machine. All you're doing is misleading anyone who comes across your unfortunate posts.

Hmm...does this sound like a personal attack based on unfounded conclusions? Amazing how this guy knows more about my own equipment than I do.

Torres · Jul 5, 2013

Ramon said:
Amazing how this guy knows more about my own equipment than I do.

I certainly know that you don't have a clue about gut/ZX, the correct tension to use, or how to properly test strings.

Ramon · Jul 5, 2013

Torres said:
I certainly know that you don't have a clue about gut/ZX, the correct tension to use, or how to properly test strings.

I think most people on this forum are informed to enough to decide for themselves. My test basically warns them that gut/ZX sucks at low tension (but I'll remind everyone that it's the same setting I use for a full bed of multi, which others have said felt pretty tight). I still don't think it will work at a higher tension because of how disastrous it was, which was substantiated by other posts. I'm going to say it was the worst string setup that I can remember.

I'd still wager that after other people try it, you'll be the only one who likes it...but who knows? Maybe it's better at higher tension, but I really don't care because who wants to spend all that money and have to worry about moisture when it's not head over heels better than everything else? There really haven't been many people who tried it. The reason I tried it was because I couldn't find any other posts on it that had any detail, so I was curious. This forum is here so everyone can share experiences, good or bad. Apparently, you don't have that mindset.

Readers · Jul 5, 2013

mikeler said:
I think anyone following this thread has all the info to make an informed decision. ZX seems to work best at the higher tensions much like gut. My guess is Ramon will try a full bed at a higher tension and will probably enjoy it but I could be wrong.

Hi Mikerler, I kind get lost in such long thread, but want to ask is this someting feels close to gut but is much lower powered?

mikeler · Jul 5, 2013

S&V Specialist said:
Misleading posts aren't all that bad anyways. They allow people like me to stock up on the string while someone else is contemplating on rather or not to buy it and not have to anxiously await TW's new shipment.

Brilliant!!

Readers said:
Hi Mikerler, I kind get lost in such long thread, but want to ask is this someting feels close to gut but is much lower powered?

You have it backwards. It feels like a firm multi or soft poly but it has the power of gut. Even though the string is stiff, it does not bug my arm at all. This is not surprising when I see how much it stretches during stringing where it really shows off how elastic it is.

Ronaldo · Jul 5, 2013

Readers said:
Hi Mikerler, I kind get lost in such long thread, but want to ask is this someting feels close to gut but is much lower powered?

May like the ISO Speed strings.

Chotobaka · Jul 5, 2013

Ronaldo said:
May like the ISO Speed strings.

Ditto -- Classic only. These are pure magic in my Pro No 1's.

mikeler · Jul 6, 2013

Chotobaka said:
Ditto -- Classic only. These are pure magic in my Pro No 1's.

Not really like Isospeed Control Classic which was lower powered. The closest multi to Monogut ZX would be X1.

Chotobaka · Jul 6, 2013

mikeler said:
Not really like Isospeed Control Classic which was lower powered. The closest multi to Monogut ZX would be X1.

Except ZX is utterly devoid of feel -- in the real world, these are not similar when it comes to playability. I tried it again, a full bed of red at higher tension instead of wheat at low tension. Like my first go around, once I got dialed in to the inherent power in this string, the ball went where I wanted it to go (which happens with pretty much every string I use), decent spin but still very much meh, overall. No compelling reason for me to use this. I much prefer a lower powered string with feel being a priority (like Isospeed Control Classic) if going the comfort route and still get better overall performance in a full bed with a soft co-poly than Monogut ZX. BTW, although not in the power class of X-1 Biphase, Isospeed Professional Classic is far from being an underpowered string.

Ramon · Jul 6, 2013

Chotobaka said:
Except ZX is utterly devoid of feel. I tried it again, a full bed of red at higher tension instead of wheat at low tension. Like my first go around, once I got dialed in to the inherent power in this strings, the ball went where I wanted it to go (which happens with pretty much every string I use), decent spin but still very much meh, overall. Still no compelling reason to use this. I much prefer a lower powered string with feel being a priority (like Isospeed) if going the comfort route and still get better overall performance with a soft co-poly than Monogut ZX.

Feel is not a strong suit of ZX, IMO. Co-poly does play well, but I think ZX's advantage is longevity because co-poly declines rather quickly. If you have any ZX left, you might want to try it with an Isospeed cross. I think you'll get more spin and durability than you do with full bed multi. I liked Hexy Fiber as a cross and fgs liked MCS, so I'm guessing Isospeed might work too.

Torres · Jul 6, 2013

Ramon said:
Feel is not a strong suit of ZX, IMO. Co-poly does play well, but I think ZX's advantage is longevity because co-poly declines rather quickly. If you have any ZX left, you might want to try it with an Isospeed cross. I think you'll get more spin and durability than you do with full bed multi. I liked Hexy Fiber as a cross and fgs liked MCS, so I'm guessing Isospeed might work too.

Are you a troll?

Nothing wrong with the feel of this string if you string it at the right tension, something which you've never done.

You've also never played with it as a full bed, so quit posting because every time you do, you make yourself look more and more stupid.

Ramon · Jul 6, 2013

Torres said:
Are you a troll?

Nothing wrong with the feel of this string if you string it at the right tension, something which you've never done.

You've also never played with it as a full bed, so quit posting because every time you do, you make yourself look more and more stupid.

How about you don't bother me and I don't bother you?

You don't own this forum, and telling me not to come here is the last thing that will deter me. I just bought 4 sets of these strings, so there's more coming. Keep up with the personal attacks, please! It really doesn't bother me at this point. It probably bothers you more.

mikeler · Jul 6, 2013

Chotobaka said:
Except ZX is utterly devoid of feel -- in the real world, these are not similar when it comes to playability. I tried it again, a full bed of red at higher tension instead of wheat at low tension. Like my first go around, once I got dialed in to the inherent power in this string, the ball went where I wanted it to go (which happens with pretty much every string I use), decent spin but still very much meh, overall. No compelling reason for me to use this. I much prefer a lower powered string with feel being a priority (like Isospeed Control Classic) if going the comfort route and still get better overall performance in a full bed with a soft co-poly than Monogut ZX. BTW, although not in the power class of X-1 Biphase, Isospeed Professional Classic is far from being an underpowered string.

Feel is subjective but yes I'd give the nod to X1 there. I thought Isospeed Control Classic was more of a control string than a power string when I tested it.

Torres · Jul 6, 2013

Ramon said:
You don't own this forum, and telling me not to come here is the last thing that will deter me.

You've obviously got some sort of OCD condition. I guess trolls are like that.

Ramon · Jul 6, 2013

Torres said:
You've obviously got some sort of OCD condition. I guess trolls are like that.

Keep it up dude! I'm not falling for this. You've been the aggressor the entire time. You can keep that role.

fortun8son · Jul 6, 2013

mikeler said:
You made my point. If you feel Ramon's review is misleading who cares? No one is reading except 10 of us.

Torres Vs. Kiteboard was much more entertaining. Munch, munch.:twisted:

Torres · Jul 6, 2013

fortun8son said:
Torres Vs. Kiteboard was much more entertaining. Munch, munch.:twisted:

He's disappeared, along with all that nonsense about the poly that plays just as well in hour 30 as it did in hour one, pictures of oil paintings, blue plastic straws etc etc.

fortun8son · Jul 6, 2013

Yeah. He never came back after the ban was lifted.
Too much negative psychic energy, I guess.

Torres · Jul 6, 2013

fortun8son said:
Too much negative psychic energy, I guess.

I don't think there was much take up of his theories on energy shields and motion clocks during the racquet takeback either... ;-)

Anyway we digress. Best to keep this thread on topic.

mad dog1 · Jul 6, 2013

mikeler said:
I just looked at the thread views and it is 67k. So maybe more than just 10 people.

maybe it's just the 10 of you who have each viewed this thread 6,700 times.

in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if 2 people contributed to 50,000 of the 67,000 views. :lol:

Ramon · Jul 6, 2013

mad dog1 said:
maybe it's just the 10 of you who have each viewed this thread 6,700 times. in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if 2 people contributed to 50,000 of the 67,000 views. :lol:

I'd say all my other posts I've made in the past have been viewed lately, too. :lol:

It's scary when you think of obsessive people on the internet with nothing better to do. If they looked like Anna Kournikova that might actually be cool!

mad dog1 · Jul 6, 2013

Ramon said:
I think personal attacks are against forum rules, and I'm not getting sucked into this. If you want to keep at it, go ahead. Just giving you fair warning that's all.

he's been banned a few times before. maybe it's time for another ban?

in the meantime, i recommend using the ignore list. makes life much easier.

i've been on the receiving end of the attacks in the past when i posted that i didn't like BHBR at all. just didn't work for me. i was accused of many of the same things you're being accused of now. didn't matter that BHBR didn't work for me or any of my 4 other hitting partners.

mikeler · Jul 6, 2013

I propose a truce. Torres, no more attacks at Ramon. In return, Ramon try this string in a full bed at higher tension for at least an hour on 2 separate occasions and no more commenting on ZX/gut until then. Virtual handshake everyone? Possibly a virtual hug?

Ramon · Jul 6, 2013

mikeler said:
I propose a truce. Torres, no more attacks at Ramon. In return, Ramon try this string in a full bed at higher tension for at least an hour on 2 separate occasions and no more commenting on ZX/gut until then. Virtual handshake everyone? Possibly a virtual hug?

Unless he looks like a shapely blonde, the hug thing sounds too weird. I'd go with everything else, except my first test with full ZX will be at 52 CP. I'll wager that's like 58-60 for you on a lockout, especially with such elongation. My gut tells me the 54 CP I have right now is tight. If I think it needs more tension then, I'll cut it and go up 4 pounds.

mad dog1 · Jul 6, 2013

Ramon said:
Unless he looks like a shapely blonde, the hug thing sounds too weird. I'd go with everything else, except my first test with full ZX will be at 52 CP. I'll wager that's like 58-60 for you on a lockout, especially with such elongation. My gut tells me the 54 CP I have right now is tight. If I think it needs more tension then, I'll cut it and go up 4 pounds.

it's a pretty expensive string to experiment with though. maybe try a full bed at 52 CP. if you need to go higher, rather than cut out the strings maybe try putting some string savers in to help increase the tension of the string bed first.

Ramon · Jul 6, 2013

mad dog1 said:
it's a pretty expensive string to experiment with though. maybe try a full bed at 52 CP. if you need to go higher, rather than cut out the strings maybe try putting some string savers in to help increase the tension of the string bed first.

Nah, I'd rather just cut it and have a fresh set of strings. I bought enough of them anyway. Really, the difference between CP and lockout is magnified when the string has high elongation. I notice that with soft multis the difference between me and someone else's lockout machine is at least 8 pounds but with poly it's much less.

mad dog1 · Jul 6, 2013

Ramon said:
Nah, I'd rather just cut it and have a fresh set of strings. I bought enough of them anyway. Really, the difference between CP and lockout is magnified when the string has high elongation. I notice that with soft multis the difference between me and someone else's lockout machine is at least 8 pounds but with poly it's much less.

i've observed the same thing.

i suggested the string savers because i've found that if a string bed is a tad too high, i can remove the damper and it feels much better. and if a string bed starts to feel too loose, i can install a dampener and it tames the power of string bed. in the past (a LONG time ago), i found string savers to have a similar effect like adding a dampener. figure it's a less expensive to try that first than to cut out a $15 string.

tlm · Jul 6, 2013

mad dog1 said:
i've observed the same thing.

i suggested the string savers because i've found that if a string bed is a tad too high, i can remove the damper and it feels much better. and if a string bed starts to feel too loose, i can install a dampener and it tames the power of string bed. in the past (a LONG time ago), i found string savers to have a similar effect like adding a dampener. figure it's a less expensive to try that first than to cut out a $15 string.

A dampener does nothing but change the sound. It has absolutely nothing to do with power level or arm safety!

djNEiGht · Jul 6, 2013

Ramon said:
my first test with full ZX will be at 52 CP. I'll wager that's like 58-60 for you on a lockout, especially with such elongation.

I just got my Wise set up and have only done a couple racquets on it. Want to get used to it and then plan on trying out the ZX as well. Tension range is still up in the air and will try and go over the various suggestions.

Have any of you pre-stretched this string? I have that option now with the Wise. Will use it set at the slow tension speed, probably.

Torres · Jul 7, 2013

mad dog1 said:
i've been on the receiving end of the attacks in the past when i posted that i didn't like BHBR at all. just didn't work for me.

You complained that the ball was flying all over the place having played with it once. Yet by your own admission you're a 3.0. If you use the 17 gauge (which runs thin for its gauge) with your level of play, its not surprising that the ball is 'flying over the place' and that 'can't get any control' particularly given the low tension which you used.

You want more control? String it higher, or use a thicker gauge. There's a big difference between the 16 and 17. But you wouldn't know any of that since you only played with it once, at the wrong gauge and wrong tension. The problem with posters like you and Ramon is that the errors are user related, stringing related, or player level related and yet you misguidedly blame the equipment and don't think before having a 'rant on the internet'. Pointing that out to you isn't a personal attack - its pointing out the truth to you.

There's nothing wrong with liking or disliking a string but Christ Almighty at least evaluate it properly before taking to the internet with blinkered posts because all you and Ramon are doing is miseading people unfamiliar with your unusual circumstances.

mikeler · Jul 7, 2013

djNEiGht said:
I just got my Wise set up and have only done a couple racquets on it. Want to get used to it and then plan on trying out the ZX as well. Tension range is still up in the air and will try and go over the various suggestions.

Have any of you pre-stretched this string? I have that option now with the Wise. Will use it set at the slow tension speed, probably.

I will try prestretching it next time.

Ramon · Jul 7, 2013

mad dog1 said:
he's been banned a few times before. maybe it's time for another ban?

in the meantime, i recommend using the ignore list. makes life much easier.

i've been on the receiving end of the attacks in the past when i posted that i didn't like BHBR at all. just didn't work for me. i was accused of many of the same things you're being accused of now. didn't matter that BHBR didn't work for me or any of my 4 other hitting partners.

Right! Some people join forums because they enjoy stirring up stuff. You have to be careful because it's the Internet and you never know what kind of sociopathic minds you run into. Kudos to Mikeler for his attempt to be a peace maker. If nothing else, it reveals a lot.

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