News on PS97 paintjob sand future of Prostaff line.

Roddickulous

Roddickulous

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PhotoBlue said:
I love the 95's!!!!! Why are they discontinuing them? I guess I better start my hunt for new sticks then.
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The 95's aren't selling well either. The Pro Staff 95 Spin is one of their top selling racquets though.

SFrazeur said:
If you love it then why find a new stick? Racquets last a very long time and you could just stock up.
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Racquets break down over time. As a teaching professional, I'm appalled that you don't know this. It looks bad on our industry to have a member of the USPTA saying that racquets last for years and years when really the max you should play with a racquet is two, maybe three years. If I were you, spend some time getting to know your local tennis shop and learn from them.
 
Roddickulous

Roddickulous

Rookie
dr325i said:
Can you ellaborate more because you must be super good player and super strong to "wear out" a tennis racket in 10 months?!
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Racquets break down over time. The sound they make when you hit the ball changes. They get more "buzz" to them over time. For someone playing at a 4.5 level playing an average of 12+ hours a week, I could totally see that.
 
dr325i

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Roddickulous said:
Racquets break down over time. The sound they make when you hit the ball changes. They get more "buzz" to them over time. For someone playing at a 4.5 level playing an average of 12+ hours a week, I could totally see that.
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Ridiculous!
Pros use their sticks longer than 10 months. There is ABSOLUTELY no way that any of us can do what you claim within 10 months of non-abusive racket use...
 
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SFrazeur

Legend
Roddickulous said:
Racquets break down over time. As a teaching professional, I'm appalled that you don't know this. It looks bad on our industry to have a member of the USPTA saying that racquets last for years and years when really the max you should play with a racquet is two, maybe three years. If I were you, spend some time getting to know your local tennis shop and learn from them.
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For most players under the 4.0 level a racquet will last players 3-5 years easily. People normally get bored and just want a new stick before it even begins to wear out. 2.5/3.0 players can easily go 5+ years.

Graphite does break down over time. However, not to the extent it would have a real world effect on low/medium level rec players.
 
HRB

HRB

Hall of Fame
BreakPoint said:
The most important question is what is the swingweight?

With the same static weight and balance as the Tour 90, the significantly bigger headsize would most likely make the swingweight much higher than that of the Tour 90, unless they really altered the weight distribution.
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Played with one for years...it was called PRESTIGE PRO! Nice choice Rog...wish mine was black.
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Roddickulous said:
Wilson has been trying to ditch the 90 for years, according to my rep. They've been trying to get Fed to switch for more than 5 years apparently. Their sales of it are awful, somewhere around 10,000 racquets worldwide. That may seem like a lot, but when you consider all of the online retailers worldwide, it's quite pitiful. What we are finding is that the mid sized, thin beamed racquets don't have much of a place in the modern game.
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I find that very hard to believe. Especially considering that every generation of the Tour 90, except the current one (probably due to Federer never having used it publicly), has been a "Best Seller" here on TW, and also because I've seen so many people using it over the past 12 years. Demand for used ones have also been very strong over the years. And they must sell well enough that Wilson came out with Asian versions of them.
 
YarikA99

YarikA99

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I find it hard to believe that they would kill the ProStaff's yet they would keep the six one line and the steam line. Almost nobody plays with a steam nowadays especially the Steam 105s and the Juice 100ul.

We should start a petition to only keep the ProStaff 90 and 95 (no one cares about the 100l or 100ls) :twisted:
 
pug

pug

Semi-Pro
Roddickulous said:
Racquets break down over time. The sound they make when you hit the ball changes. They get more "buzz" to them over time. For someone playing at a 4.5 level playing an average of 12+ hours a week, I could totally see that.
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I don't know, Del Potro played/plays with his Kfactors for several years, and he is definitely a 4.5 or maybe even better :)
 
Blitzball

Blitzball

Professional
The things is, the 90's only sold so well because they were used by Federer. Imagine how many of the 97's he'll sell. I'm pretty sure this new line will be the best-selling out of all the lines ever sponsored by him.
 
unclenimrod

unclenimrod

Rookie
Losing the 90 is a travesty…especially because this NEW 90 is the best since…well I think the best feeling since the 85. Wilson wilson wilson…please send me the last 10,000 you have. I'll take care of them for you.
 
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RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
unclenimrod said:
Losing the 90 is a travesty…especially because this NEW 90 is the best since…well I think the best feeling since the 85. Wilson wilson wilson…please send me the last 10,000 you have. I'll take care of them for you.
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Wilson changed the layup of the fibers in the mould to be more like the old ones... The previous 90's have fibers laid in an X pattern (albiet at a 90* angle from each other) up and down the frame... If that makes sense. In comparison to the new one which is like the ps85 it's basically a +. The fibers run either parallel to the frame as you look at it from a face side or perpendicular.

So yes, you are correct in that it should structurally be more similar to the 85's. Buy em up while you can.
 
unclenimrod

unclenimrod

Rookie
RanchDressing: if you cut one of them open to figure that out I will be disappointed.

Kidding. Or i mean…i'm not kidding…but I know you didn't do that.

For real tho…clearly the new pro staffs will sell like hotcakes for the first several months. But the 90s did not sell ONLY because of Fed…they are unbelievably precise racquets. Every time I let someone borrow my stock BLX90 who has even decent strokes they love it. There are the usual "it wears me out" and such…but the racquets are so sick. I can't imagine the 10,000 stat is correct, though I have no evidence to back that up.
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

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RanchDressing said:
Wilson changed the layup of the fibers in the mould to be more like the old ones... The previous 90's have fibers laid in an X pattern (albiet at a 90* angle from each other) up and down the frame... If that makes sense. In comparison to the new one which is like the ps85 it's basically a +. The fibers run either parallel to the frame as you look at it from a face side or perpendicular.

So yes, you are correct in that it should structurally be more similar to the 85's. Buy em up while you can.
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I don't think that's it. I think it's because all of the other previous versions of the Tour 90's all contained other "stuff" in addition to the graphite/kevlar braid.

HPS Tour 90 contained HyperCarbon (Double Braid)
nCode 90 contained HyperCarbon and nCode (SiO2 molecules)
K90 contained nCode
BLX 90 contained Basalt and nCode
BLX PS 90 contained Basalt
2014 PS 90 - they took out most of the Basalt and left just the braided graphite/kevlar.

I think that's why this current version feels the most like the PS 6.0 85.
 
Roddickulous

Roddickulous

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BreakPoint said:
I find that very hard to believe. Especially considering that every generation of the Tour 90, except the current one (probably due to Federer never having used it publicly), has been a "Best Seller" here on TW, and also because I've seen so many people using it over the past 12 years. Demand for used ones have also been very strong over the years. And they must sell well enough that Wilson came out with Asian versions of them.
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I got that directly from Wilson, so it's true.

YarikA99 said:
I find it hard to believe that they would kill the ProStaff's yet they would keep the six one line and the steam line. Almost nobody plays with a steam nowadays especially the Steam 105s and the Juice 100ul.

We should start a petition to only keep the ProStaff 90 and 95 (no one cares about the 100l or 100ls) :twisted:
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I live in one of the biggest tennis markets in the states and we sell FIVE 90's a year, and maybe 6 95's. I can't keep the Steam 105S in stock enough! Junior players really like the Juice 100UL as a first full length racquet.

To everyone:
I'm sorry for your sake the 90 is going away, but you're just going to have to accept it. You guys buying the 90 have been the bane of Wilson's existence. Get over it :)
 
Vcore89

Vcore89

Talk Tennis Guru
Means I'll just have to hold on to 2 PS90 2014! Hmmm, guess, I'll have to revert to 85s (from TW)!;)
 
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PhotoBlue

Professional
dr325i said:
Can you ellaborate more because you must be super good player and super strong to "wear out" a tennis racket in 10 months?!
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The bumper guards wear out and then that exposes the frame underneath, ten the frame starts wearing out down until the fibers inside the racquet.
 
movdqa

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Roddickulous said:
To everyone:
I'm sorry for your sake the 90 is going away, but you're just going to have to accept it. You guys buying the 90 have been the bane of Wilson's existence. Get over it :)
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Change can be a tough thing to accept when you're older.

But a lot of these guys with their 90s probably got over their 65s at some point too.
 
BMcFarlan

BMcFarlan

New User
Roddickulous said:
To everyone:
I'm sorry for your sake the 90 is going away, but you're just going to have to accept it. You guys buying the 90 have been the bane of Wilson's existence. Get over it :)
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I won't lie - went out and bought another 2013 BLX PS90 following this post. While I'll enjoy it, I still hope the line doesn't die.

And BTW I'm pretty sure Del Potro is the bane of Wilson's existence. At least we are paying THEM for our irrelevant and clearly unplayable 90" frames.
 
BMcFarlan

BMcFarlan

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Roddickulous said:
I got that directly from Wilson, so it's true.

I live in one of the biggest tennis markets in the states and we sell FIVE 90's a year, and maybe 6 95's. I can't keep the Steam 105S in stock enough! Junior players really like the Juice 100UL as a first full length racquet.
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Also - with guys like Dimitrov and Dolgo (along with others) coming up strong with the next wave of players using the box-beam 95 model, how can Wilson justify killing that series? With the Juice and Steam are they focusing on jumping out of the players market and into the 3.5 senior arena? I know the Head Ti7 was simply revolutionary but that doesn't mean there's no demand for a racket that can handle a full swing.
 
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Engelworks

Rookie
BMcFarlan said:
Also - with guys like Dimitrov and Dolgo (along with others) coming up strong with the next wave of players using the box-beam 95 model, how can Wilson justify killing that series?
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Both of them use a paintjob of the 95S, which apparently wilson is keeping.
 
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SublimeTennis

Professional
unclenimrod said:
RanchDressing: if you cut one of them open to figure that out I will be disappointed.

Kidding. Or i mean…i'm not kidding…but I know you didn't do that.

For real tho…clearly the new pro staffs will sell like hotcakes for the first several months. But the 90s did not sell ONLY because of Fed…they are unbelievably precise racquets. Every time I let someone borrow my stock BLX90 who has even decent strokes they love it. There are the usual "it wears me out" and such…but the racquets are so sick. I can't imagine the 10,000 stat is correct, though I have no evidence to back that up.
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I LOVE my 90, I don't play it because of Fed but because it is the most accurate racquet, it's like it has a radar on it. I can put a shot wherever I want. Only problem is fierce rallies, I'll shank occasionally or mishit. Power is not an issue. I play my 6.1 95, was going to get a Blade 98 and weight up the handle to make it more like the 90 spec wise, maybe I'll wait, I hope they don't screw this one up, clearly it won't be Feds racquet but I hope it's close.

Talked to a guy at my Tennis shop and he said it's coming in October, that it's 12oz, 12 points HL, thin beam, sounds like a 97 Pro Staff.
 
BMcFarlan

BMcFarlan

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Engelworks said:
Both of them use a paintjob of the 95S, which apparently wilson is keeping.
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That being true there would still be some demand for a similar frame, and Wilson seems to be offering a variety of options at the 95" size. Are sales poor enough to kill that?

Also - watching the swing of most club and league guys out there they aren't hitting the ball like Rafa. Most still have a flatter trajectory that would play well with a classic model. While their triangular string and S racket may be good and popular now, it just doesn't seem like enough validation to eliminate the Pro Staff models entirely.
 
unclenimrod

unclenimrod

Rookie
BMcFarlan: While this is true…a lot of club players do seem to carry at least one classic stick with them, I would guess Wilson isn't altogether that interested in established tennis players. Guys at club level with actual classic strokes can hit with anything. You can play good flat tennis with a bungalow…excuse me babolat racquet. But I have yet to come across a person who is new to tennis who is being taught flat strokes…and kids are all using extreme grips…so are juniors. Who buys the bulk of tennis racquets? Classic club players aren't purchasing new racquets as often, as a group, as new tennis players are. Might as well cater to the larger market.
 
BMcFarlan

BMcFarlan

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unclenimrod said:
BMcFarlan: While this is true…a lot of club players do seem to carry at least one classic stick with them, I would guess Wilson isn't altogether that interested in established tennis players. Guys at club level with actual classic strokes can hit with anything. You can play good flat tennis with a bungalow…excuse me babolat racquet. But I have yet to come across a person who is new to tennis who is being taught flat strokes…and kids are all using extreme grips…so are juniors. Who buys the bulk of tennis racquets? Classic club players aren't purchasing new racquets as often, as a group, as new tennis players are. Might as well cater to the larger market.
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And 12 years ago when I was a young coach I always had a couple Kramers and Budges in my bag. I guess 90s will be the new old.

Assuming the RF97 plays similar to a classic frame I'm sure when I'm done with my current round of 90s the related model will do. Or I'll just go on that auction site and buy up all the Aurther Ashe IIs out there to go WAY back box-beam style.
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

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Engelworks said:
Both of them use a paintjob of the 95S, which apparently wilson is keeping.
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Nope, they are not.

Dimitrov uses a custom 93 that is not sold to the public.

Dolgopolov uses a PS 6.0 95 Original with a custom string pattern and a paintjob, of course.
 
Bartelby

Bartelby

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You know they can just keep on producing the same 90 on a one off basis every couple of years and sell it into speciality retailers like this one, so I think they'll keep people happy.
 
BMcFarlan

BMcFarlan

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BreakPoint said:
Nope, they are not.

Dimitrov uses a custom 93 that is not sold to the public.

Dolgopolov uses a PS 6.0 95 Original with a custom string pattern and a paintjob, of course.
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So 95 and 93 for two of Wilson's top young guys and likely their future franchise names, and they are knocking out their Pro Staff and/or box-beam design?

I don't get it. The Juice looks like it was designed over drinks on Easter brunch and that's more profitable than the Pro Staffs?
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

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BMcFarlan said:
So 95 and 93 for two of Wilson's top young guys and likely their future franchise names, and they are knocking out their Pro Staff and/or box-beam design?

I don't get it. The Juice looks like it was designed over drinks on Easter brunch and that's more profitable than the Pro Staffs?
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Well, those pros can continue using their current racquets and Wilson can just paint them to look like whatever new racquet they want to sell. :(
 
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Engelworks

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BreakPoint said:
Nope, they are not.

Dimitrov uses a custom 93 that is not sold to the public.

Dolgopolov uses a PS 6.0 95 Original with a custom string pattern and a paintjob, of course.
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Dimitrov and Dolgopolov are both using paintjobs of the 95S. Also, according to the OP and that order-form picture, the 95S is being carried over.

So why did you disagree with my post? I'm guessing you misread it and thought I said they use the actual 95S racquet (which I agree they don't).

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8479138&postcount=58
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8479173&postcount=43
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8464797&postcount=155
 
Roddickulous

Roddickulous

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BMcFarlan said:
So 95 and 93 for two of Wilson's top young guys and likely their future franchise names, and they are knocking out their Pro Staff and/or box-beam design?

I don't get it. The Juice looks like it was designed over drinks on Easter brunch and that's more profitable than the Pro Staffs?
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The Juice 100S is their #1 selling racquet, followed by the Steam 99S, Juice 108, Blade 98S, and Steam 105S. The only pro staff in their top ten sales is the 95S.
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

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Engelworks said:
Dimitrov and Dolgopolov are both using paintjobs of the 95S. Also, according to the OP and that order-form picture, the 95S is being carried over.

So why did you disagree with my post? I'm guessing you misread it and thought I said they use the actual 95S racquet (which I agree they don't).

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8479138&postcount=58
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8479173&postcount=43
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8464797&postcount=155
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Yes, the way you worded it sounds like you meant they both use the 95S with paintjobs on them.

What you wanted to say is that they both use racquets that have the PS 95S paintjob on them. When you say - "Both of them use a paintjob of the 95S...", that means they use a 95S with paintjobs on them.
 
aimr75

aimr75

Hall of Fame
BreakPoint said:
Yes, the way you worded it sounds like you meant they both use the 95S with paintjobs on them.

What you wanted to say is that they both use racquets that have the PS 95S paintjob on them. When you say - "Both of them use a paintjob of the 95S...", that means they use a 95S with paintjobs on them.
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Wow BP, youd think most can understand what the guy really meant.. no need to be that freakin pedantic
 
Vcore89

Vcore89

Talk Tennis Guru
BreakPoint said:
Nope, they are not.

Dimitrov uses a custom 93 that is not sold to the public.

Dolgopolov uses a PS 6.0 95 Original with a custom string pattern and a paintjob, of course.
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A totally different custom-built racquet? By no way it is the Wilson ROK?
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
aimr75 said:
A bit of common sense BP. come on. No need to correct people just for the sake of it
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I didn't know that he knew that Dimitrov and Dolgopolov are not using the PS 95S.

When you say - "John Doe is using a paintjob OF racquet X." That means John Doe is using racquet X with a paintjob.

Example: Djokovic is using a paintjob of the LM Radical MP or Del Potro is using a paintjob of the PS 6.1 Classic, etc.
 
Blitzball

Blitzball

Professional
BreakPoint said:
I didn't know that he knew that Dimitrov and Dolgopolov are not using the PS 95S.

When you say - "John Doe is using a paintjob OF racquet X." That means John Doe is using racquet X with a paintjob.

Example: Djokovic is using a paintjob of the LM Radical MP or Del Potro is using a paintjob of the PS 6.1 Classic, etc.
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So if I say I want a racquet with a paintjob of the Blade 98s, that means I want a Blade 98s? I didn't know I wanted that racquet.
 
aimr75

aimr75

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Blitzball said:
So if I say I want a racquet with a paintjob of the Blade 98s, that means I want a Blade 98s? I didn't know I wanted that racquet.
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If you have a frame with a paint job that is painted to emulate a frame with a paint job that is painted in a paint job that purports to be the aforementioned frame with said paint job, what do you get? ;)
 
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