Rank these teams from worst to best

tennisbuck

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Fordham U, Delaware, and Loyola Maryland...

Just curious what you guys thought and would love to hear your opinions!

I'm having a hard time deciding since they are all in different conferences. Please answer would help me a lot! Thanks
 
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I've seen UDel play twice the past 2 years, and I know a guy on Loyola's team.

In both matches I saw, UDel lost. They got spanked by William and Mary, a conference opponent, in one of them. In the other, they lost to Swarthmore, a ranked DIII team. Their best player graduated this Spring, and a quick look at their roster shows they're a young team. According to TRN, their freshmen are a 4 star, 2 2 stars, and a foreign player. To put this in perspective, Mike Furr is a junior on their team. 4 years ago, he won the PA AAA championship as a junior in HS, and was a 3 star recruit. He hasn't had much success at UD, and has been either in the middle or bottom of the lineup his first 2 years.

Loyola - The guy I know who is on their team was an unrated junior, who would've been maybe a 1 star had he played in more tournaments. Granted he doesn't really play there, but still. If you look at their roster, they're carrying 18(!!!) guys. I don't know about their facilities, but I can't see that being very efficient.

Fordham - Looks like they're graduating a lot of players this year.

Also unless I'm mistaken, Fordham and Loyola are both in the Patriot League. EDIT: looks like I was. Anyway, best thing you could do is visit these schools if you can.
 
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goldy0084

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Traditionally, Delaware would be the best by a small margin. Their top two guys are way better than the rest of their team...they may have graduated though..were solid guys for most d1's and did ok in the CAA. Fordham is in the A-10 and pretty weak in the league and Loyola is usually quite weak. They are Patriot. Levels are all relative though.
 
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goldy0084 said:
Traditionally, Delaware would be the best by a small margin. Their top two guys are way better than the rest of their team...they may have graduated though..were solid guys for most d1's and did ok in the CAA. Fordham is in the A-10 and pretty weak in the league and Loyola is usually quite weak. They are Patriot. Levels are all relative though.
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Yeah Troy graduated, he was by far their best player. I don't know if the other player you're talking about did or not. I think I remember seeing one senior on their team for this season, along with one junior (Furr). Basically, the point is that none of their teams are going to be competing for conference championships anytime soon. What are you looking for in these teams?
 
tennisbuck

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Hmmm, So as a boarderline between a 3 star and a 4 star on tr, I would think I could play at these schools
 
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Yes, it's safe to assume that you would start at any of these schools. HOWEVER, that is not a guarantee. Things can happen. But if playing is your first criteria, then all 3 are still options. What's next?

And yeah, Loyola's situation makes absolutely no sense.
 
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tennisballer

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You would definitely be playing top 6 at Loyola. I believe at Loyola, they have a very lax practice routine. Of those 18 guys, probably only 10 or so actually "practice" on a daily basis. The coach there also coaches the women's team, so 1 would only imagine what those combined practices would look like.
 
tennisbuck

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SStrikerR said:
Yes, it's safe to assume that you would start at any of these schools. HOWEVER, that is not a guarantee. Things can happen. But if playing is your first criteria, then all 3 are still options. What's next?

And yeah, Loyola's situation makes absolutely no sense.
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Yes I really want to play all 4 years that's one of my main criteria. I have been emailing all 3 coaches and hope to keep in close contact with them.
 
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tennisballer said:
You would definitely be playing top 6 at Loyola. I believe at Loyola, they have a very lax practice routine. Of those 18 guys, probably only 10 or so actually "practice" on a daily basis. The coach there also coaches the women's team, so 1 would only imagine what those combined practices would look like.
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Yes loyola doesn't give scholarships so that would make sense
 
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What made you narrow it down to only these 3 places? What about other schools? Out of these 3, I think that Delaware would be your best option. But that's my opinion. Visiting and talking to players on the team, watching them play, etc etc would be good for you.
 
tennisbuck

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SStrikerR said:
What made you narrow it down to only these 3 places? What about other schools? Out of these 3, I think that Delaware would be your best option. But that's my opinion. Visiting and talking to players on the team, watching them play, etc etc would be good for you.
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Oh I have plenty of others schools I'm interested I just wanted to hear what you guys had to say about these 3
 
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niketennispro

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Ive seen Loyola and Delaware play and I can say without a doubt Loyola is the lesser team compared to Delaware, although neither are top D1 schools by any stretch. This is coming from a current college player as well.
 
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tennisbuck said:
I would like to but it's not required
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Why? This coming from a guy who just finished his freshman year. You want to explore all your options. For example, tennis can help you get into a school with strong academics that you may or may not have gotten into otherwise. Some of the top DIII schools have very strong academics, AND their teams are better than the 3 you originally mentioned in this thread. Go on tennis recruiting and look at some of the top DIII incoming classes. Most of them are getting 3 and 4 stars, with some other players thrown in. You would likely be able to make one of these teams, and play against competition at your level most of the time.

Basically, my point is why do you prefer DI? Is it for scholarship purposes? Or is it to say you're a DI athlete because ignorant people think that all DI is better than the other divisions? Or some other reason?
 
tennisbuck

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SStrikerR said:
Why? This coming from a guy who just finished his freshman year. You want to explore all your options. For example, tennis can help you get into a school with strong academics that you may or may not have gotten into otherwise. Some of the top DIII schools have very strong academics, AND their teams are better than the 3 you originally mentioned in this thread. Go on tennis recruiting and look at some of the top DIII incoming classes. Most of them are getting 3 and 4 stars, with some other players thrown in. You would likely be able to make one of these teams, and play against competition at your level most of the time.

Basically, my point is why do you prefer DI? Is it for scholarship purposes? Or is it to say you're a DI athlete because ignorant people think that all DI is better than the other divisions? Or some other reason?
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Well actually I just finished my sophomore year. And I know plenty of d3 and d2 teams can beat d1 teams. The only upside to d1 and d2 over d3 from my understanding is they give scholarships which is important for me. And for the most part the d1 schools have better academics than d2 schools so I gravitated toward them
 
tennisbuck

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And I certainly don't think I'm too good for other divisions. I've lost to plenty of players who have gone d2 and d3
 
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tennisbuck said:
Well actually I just finished my sophomore year. And I know plenty of d3 and d2 teams can beat d1 teams. The only upside to d1 and d2 over d3 from my understanding is they give scholarships which is important for me. And for the most part the d1 schools have better academics than d2 schools so I gravitated toward them
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I meant my freshman year in college, if that wasn't clear. It's good that you're starting now.

Just to be clear, most players are more likely to get a better academic scholarship than an athletic one (if they even get an athletic one). Unless you're some sort of blue chip stud, I would say focus on your academics, because that's what's going to get you the money.
 
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I meant my freshman year in college, if that wasn't clear. It's good that you're starting now.

Just to be clear, most players are more likely to get a better academic scholarship than an athletic one (if they even get an athletic one). Unless you're some sort of blue chip stud, I would say focus on your academics, because that's what's going to get you the money.
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Yeah you are right. I'll keep my options open
 
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tennisbuck said:
Yeah you are right. I'll keep my options open
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I didn't have the option myself, but had I been a better player and had more options, I think going to a top DIII team would have been awesome. Being able to play for a team that has the potential to win a national championship? That must be awesome.
 
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I didn't have the option myself, but had I been a better player and had more options, I think going to a top DIII team would have been awesome. Being able to play for a team that has the potential to win a national championship? That must be awesome.
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Yeah or d2 or even NAIA. I'm obviously not good enough to go to a top d1. Playing on a team that at least has a chance to win conference would be nice now that I think about it
 
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amorris525

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UConn I never saw play but I think is on par with Delaware.

La Salle is probably a notch below Fordham and Loyola. I don't think they take tennis very seriously there at all.

Drexel I'd put very close to Delaware.


Don't know anything about St. Louis or SDSU.
 
goran_ace

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OP, may I ask how you came up with this list of schools? Fordham, SLU, and Loyola are all private Catholic Jesuit schools but I don't see the other schools having much in common. UConn and SDSU are large state schools with over 30,000 in enrollment.
 
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goran_ace said:
OP, may I ask how you came up with this list of schools? Fordham, SLU, and Loyola are all private Catholic Jesuit schools but I don't see the other schools having much in common. UConn and SDSU are large state schools with over 30,000 in enrollment.
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I have a variety of schools on my list because since I haven't visited schools yet I don't really know what I'm going to like. I am visiting SLU this weekend since it very close for me, so that will be interesting. I have a larger list of schools that I didn't share on here of all kinds of schools. I don't really know how to rule schools out without visiting. I guess my first decision should be whether or not I want a small or big school. Once I decide that I can narrow my list down some
 
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goran_ace said:
OP, may I ask how you came up with this list of schools? Fordham, SLU, and Loyola are all private Catholic Jesuit schools but I don't see the other schools having much in common. UConn and SDSU are large state schools with over 30,000 in enrollment.
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I suppose I should add the main reason I would consider SDSU is because of their program in Agricultural Engineering which is a possible major for me
 
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tennisbuck said:
I suppose I should add the main reason I would consider SDSU is because of their program in Agricultural Engineering which is a possible major for me
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Was going to make a comment about how you can't beat the weather in So Cal but then realized you were talking about South Dakota State U and not San Diego State U!
 
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tennisbuck said:
Yeah or d2 or even NAIA. I'm obviously not good enough to go to a top d1. Playing on a team that at least has a chance to win conference would be nice now that I think about it
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Very. Winning your conference and at least PLAYING in the NCAA tournament is awesome.
 
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