Klip Legend vs. Pacific Classic
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ASH1485
Semi-Pro
Pretty satisfied with pacific classic in hybrid as mains, never tried klip.
But would like to try pacific tough in search for more durability
Been using Classic 17 in a hybrid with poly --RPM blast 18 for about a year. Very very excellent combo no complaints. Seem to prefer the gut in the mains. Good for at least 30 or so hours.
Recently have been testing Klip Legend 17 in a hybrid with RPM 18 crosses, and also Klip K-Boom crosses 17. Very much liking the Klip also. I am stringing the Klip with Wilson sensation 17 crosses and will test side by side with the PC/RPM; KL/K-Boom next week. I am also contemplating trying it with a high quality syn gut.
Right now, I lean toward Klip Legend as my go to main string. I like its marginally greater crispness. I string it between 49-52 in a Head microgel prestige pro w/poly crosses in the mid 40s. Very good mix of comfort, power, control, spin.
IMHO you cannot go wrong with either of these strings. Both very high quality.
Recently have been testing Klip Legend 17 in a hybrid with RPM 18 crosses, and also Klip K-Boom crosses 17. Very much liking the Klip also. I am stringing the Klip with Wilson sensation 17 crosses and will test side by side with the PC/RPM; KL/K-Boom next week. I am also contemplating trying it with a high quality syn gut.
Right now, I lean toward Klip Legend as my go to main string. I like its marginally greater crispness. I string it between 49-52 in a Head microgel prestige pro w/poly crosses in the mid 40s. Very good mix of comfort, power, control, spin.
IMHO you cannot go wrong with either of these strings. Both very high quality.
McLovin
Legend
The main difference between the two is stiffness. KLIP is a bit stiffer than Pacific and results in a 'crisper' feel, although I find its gauge consistency to be better, as well as its durability.
So, if you're looking for a traditional feeling economy gut, stick w/ the Pacific. If you want something a bit more crisp w/ a little more durability, and can endure a bit more stiffness, go w/ the KLIP.
In case you care, I did a gut/poly playtest a few years back. Here's the thread:
I did not include regular KLIP Legend (I explain why), but it is discussed in the thread.
So, if you're looking for a traditional feeling economy gut, stick w/ the Pacific. If you want something a bit more crisp w/ a little more durability, and can endure a bit more stiffness, go w/ the KLIP.
In case you care, I did a gut/poly playtest a few years back. Here's the thread:
I did not include regular KLIP Legend (I explain why), but it is discussed in the thread.
yangster007
Professional
Right now I have two PS 95, one strung w/ Wilson Gut 16/YPTP 125, and the second one strung w/ Klip Gut 16/YPTP. Both racquets are customized to same specs, and strung at same tension. Between these two natural guts there is a difference, but not hugely noticeable, and doesn't affect playability at all. The Klip plays just as well as Wilson Gut which costs almost double the price. I've used Pacific Classic in the past for hybrid jobs, and they are pretty fantastic as well.
The biggest difference is feel, Pacific Classic is a touch softer, which is the more "old school gut" feel, and Klip Legend (especially the coated ones) have a more crisp feel. Again, both play great, and you won't notice a huge difference.
The biggest difference is feel, Pacific Classic is a touch softer, which is the more "old school gut" feel, and Klip Legend (especially the coated ones) have a more crisp feel. Again, both play great, and you won't notice a huge difference.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
which is more powerful ? Legend or Pacific classic ? and I don't see 17 G for Klip legend at TW website ?
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
I was using Pacific Classic 16 for a long while, but recently switched to Klip Legend 15L when TW had it on their Facebook promotion, and I wanted a thicker gauged gut.
I think they play more or less identical, I mean you're splitting hairs between the two of them.
I will say this though, I've only tried one pack out of my batch, and maybe it was a bad pack of the lot, but the durability, ESPECIALLY for a 15L was extremely poor for that one pack.
With Pacific Classic 16 x MSV Co-Focus 1.23, I got close to 30hours with string savers.
This one pack of Klip Legend 15L? Both racquet snapped at ~15hours, with noticeable imperfections developing OUTSIDE of the sweetspot as the hours piled on. And because both racquets snapped prematurely, and the appearance of imperfections. I want to conclude that I just got a bad set.
I certainly hope I just got a bad pack, because they played fine. Not a bad deal since it's slightly cheaper than Pacific Classic, and it has 15L as an option.
I think they play more or less identical, I mean you're splitting hairs between the two of them.
I will say this though, I've only tried one pack out of my batch, and maybe it was a bad pack of the lot, but the durability, ESPECIALLY for a 15L was extremely poor for that one pack.
With Pacific Classic 16 x MSV Co-Focus 1.23, I got close to 30hours with string savers.
This one pack of Klip Legend 15L? Both racquet snapped at ~15hours, with noticeable imperfections developing OUTSIDE of the sweetspot as the hours piled on. And because both racquets snapped prematurely, and the appearance of imperfections. I want to conclude that I just got a bad set.
I certainly hope I just got a bad pack, because they played fine. Not a bad deal since it's slightly cheaper than Pacific Classic, and it has 15L as an option.
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yangster007
Professional
My experience w/ Pacific Classic 16 and Klip 16 (coated) is that they have about same durability (30+ hours in hybrid w/ poly). Ironically, VS gut bt7 broke on me at ~20 hour mark, twice w/ poly cross. :shock:
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
When you say you get about 30 hours out of it, won't the poly strings become dead long before that? Atm, I play with a full bed of poly, and playability lasts for about 10 hours before I need to restring the racket. I'm totally new to the world of gut/poly hybrids
They're in the crosses, which contributes next to nothing to the overall feel/sensation of the stringbed. So no, the stringbed does not feel dead. Also, the gut mains over-compensates for it with its ever-lasting liveliness.
With gut/poly my arm was hurting after 4 days. This was with Topsin Cyber Blue as the cross. I then tried Yonex Poly Tour Pro as cross and my arm felt fine. I think which poly in the cross does make a difference. This time I am going to try full gut at 62 lbs. I hope I like it because I love the feel of full gut but at 56 lbs it was too powerful for me.
Please report back on your full gut test.
incidentally, I add that I did buy one pack of Wilson Nat gut 17 early on and it was quite nice in a hybrid with RPM Blast. Pacific classic won out though based on cost.
re pacific classic verses klip legend, although the klip is crisper, I did not find it firmer, at least so far. Just crisper - maybe the ball comes off faster? I just seem to like it.
incidentally, I add that I did buy one pack of Wilson Nat gut 17 early on and it was quite nice in a hybrid with RPM Blast. Pacific classic won out though based on cost.
re pacific classic verses klip legend, although the klip is crisper, I did not find it firmer, at least so far. Just crisper - maybe the ball comes off faster? I just seem to like it.
yangster007
Professional
When you say you get about 30 hours out of it, won't the poly strings become dead long before that? Atm, I play with a full bed of poly, and playability lasts for about 10 hours before I need to restring the racket. I'm totally new to the world of gut/poly hybrids
You can also restring the poly cross after 10 hours
Tennismint
New User
I keep hearing this sometimes on ths board. I disagree and I don't see the logic behind this.
Of course the crosses contribute to the overall feel and sensation of the stringbed. They are part of the stringbed and come in contact with the ball. How can people change crosses and not notice the difference in feel and playability of the different strings??
Puzzling.
MixedMaster
Semi-Pro
I've posted this in other threads, but I have Klip Legend 15L mains with Gamma iO crosses in 2 rackets. I play about 15 to 20 hours a week and use both frames interchangeably. I strung this the first week of May and I'm still hitting with them. The Klip is starting to fray some now, being gut, still playing great. I hit relatively hard with pretty good spin so I'm amazed at how well this set-up has lasted. Oh yea, it's gotten rid of the shoulder/elbow pain I was experiencing. I hope this set I have isn't a fluke!!!!
I agree it is puzzling. My theory at least for me, is that because 1. I string the poly in the 40s it is not overstretched in the first place, and 2. Because it is in the crosses it is not deflected as much during the hit. I also theorize that its not the loss of tension, but is the loss of resiliency that is the problem, that is, the snap back rate of the string itself, and the snap back reduction from friction between the string surfaces. I say this because when I lube the used poly I get some performance improvement. I also theorize that the friction between gut and poly is less generally than between multis and poly and sg, due to the rubbery finish of those synthetics.
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
I've tried both.
Yes, Klip Legend is crisper; Pacific Classic has that softer, springy, traditional nat gut feel. IMO.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
No s***, it's ~$10 more.
Tennismint
New User
Fair enough. Didn't they say that the decreased friction with poly increases spin by 10 % or so? I wonder about the other 90 %. And people think it's only the mains that create topspin. Well, maybe for recreational players without proper strokes. Otherwise all strokes would land cross-court. I don't think the snap back contributes much to spin either. It depends how you strike the ball. It's just energy that is being returned, how it is utilized to generate spin depends on the player and technique. All nonsense if you ask me.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Well my test of Klip Legend will have to be put on hold for now. Went to order some today and no stock so went with Pacific Classic again.
That's why I ordered 8 packs when TW had that Facebook promo thing on. :twisted:
But you're not missing much though. Like I said, I think it's like splitting hair between Legend and Classic. And you're paying $4 more.
Good idea! Will try it one of these days.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Here me out before you pull the trigger on these Klip Legend, and here's why:
With me running a hybrid, I can split a pack of gut into two racquets. Now, you may have heard me that I snapped two racquet WELL under ~12hours, and remember these are "supposedly" 15L. So I thought, ok, probably just a bad pack out of the bunch.
I just snapped a 3rd racquet under ~12hours. The chances of me acquiring two bad packs back to back is quite slim. But yet here I am, opened a new pack, used half of it and it snapped under ~12hours. And remember these are "supposedly" 15L, to which I doubt because they look at least 16g if not 16L. Just like the previous pack, these gut strung up fine and initially, there were no imperfections on my stringbed. But half an hour before I snapped it, the imperfection developed in my sweetspot and it snapped half an hour later. This was with string savers too.
Hell, Global Gut 16g gave me double that durability!
Lastly, for comparison sake, my previous set up of Pacific Classic 16g x MSV Co-Focus 1.18 lasted nearly ~30hours (with string savers). And they played sweeter... :-?
I just can't believe my supposedly 15L Klip Legend has ~1/3 the durability of Pacific Classic 16g. And to some extend, Global Gut 16g as well.
Bumming hard right now.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
so like how do you play for 30 HOURS with the POly part of it DEAD ? poly goes dead in like 8 hours. Gut lasts til it breaks but Poly goes DEAD, so that is the problem with that setup lasting 30 hours
I've gotten 30 plus hours of great play with gut-poly hybrids. I cannot explain it. I don't have an dynamic tension meter or anything but do have a very sensitive shoulder. In that combination, both the gut and the poly still have excellent manual snap back also.
It may have to do with the low stiffness yet crisp response of the gut and low tensions that I use--high 40s gut mains, mid-low 40s poly crosses. I've used the same tensions for multi-poly and poly-multi hybrids and get about 1/2 that life. Some polys I've used (Black Widow) hybrided with synthetics went dead in less than 10 hrs and had to be cut out.
I've been a gut poly hybrid guy for a year now--30 hrs on average per string job.
Presently I have a pacific classic/rpm blast stick, a klip legend/klip k-boom stick, and a klip legend/sensation stick. Personally, I tend to like the gut mains/poly cross combos best.
It may have to do with the low stiffness yet crisp response of the gut and low tensions that I use--high 40s gut mains, mid-low 40s poly crosses. I've used the same tensions for multi-poly and poly-multi hybrids and get about 1/2 that life. Some polys I've used (Black Widow) hybrided with synthetics went dead in less than 10 hrs and had to be cut out.
I've been a gut poly hybrid guy for a year now--30 hrs on average per string job.
Presently I have a pacific classic/rpm blast stick, a klip legend/klip k-boom stick, and a klip legend/sensation stick. Personally, I tend to like the gut mains/poly cross combos best.
yangster007
Professional
I've been playing w/ Klip Legend 16/Yonex PTP 17 for ~28 hours now on this set, it's fine... On the other hand, my set of Wilson 16/Yonex PTP 17 hybrid broke in ~22 hours. :?
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
I'm very surprised myself. Maybe I've got the mother of all defects. :-?
My remaining stock has to do some pretty amazing things for me to convince me to re-order. If the rest of my batch doesn't leap frog me into 5.5, I'm going back to Pacific Classic. :twisted:
Sounds great,What level do you play? Do you hit with topspin? Racket?
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Valjean
Hall of Fame
Only in that case there wouldn't be any noteworthy difference among stringbeds.
Would there be...
I play at the 4.0 level but play in club leagues with 4.5 open players whom I have yet to defeat in a match but do take sets off of. But I'm 55 and at least15-20 years older than they are.
I have a game disrupter playing style. I hit a mix of modern loopy forehands as my rally balls and cross court shots and flatter traditional drives and under spin as my down the liners. I also shamelessly drop and lob frequently and break the directional rules. I have to or I would not survive with the crew I play against. Any thing I hit short or that sits is summarily dispatched. My topspin is rarely 6/12, I mix up a lot of 8/2 and 4/10. I have a one hand bh and hit about 2/3of them flat with under spin. I also mix in under spin forehands during rallies to surprise lesser players.
racquet wise I play head microgel prestige pros.
Thanks, i just ordered some Legend ..I use Monogut Pro (zyex) for crosses due to arm problems..Will report back
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yangster007
Professional
Please do. And please list your tensions.
I'm curious about the Monogut ZX Pro. I'm tempted to get some and try it with the gut mains. But since its stiffness is so low--about 133, I would not know what tension to use.
If I like 17 gauge gut mains at 49 to 51 in a 98 sq in racquet, and a poly cross with a stiffness of 233 at 45, how would I tension something like a monogut zx pro?
I use the Wilson Steam105s (see my signature)..i have some 16g Gaucho Nat Gut i bought several years ago...After reading many posts about stringing Natural Gut and 17g Monogut Pro Red. I decided to string them both pretty high at 58/60..I've gotten 8-10 good hours on a stringjob..But i have arm problems (forearm/wrist) not tennis elbow, which is primarily which led me to this setup. So to answer your question, most recomedations says to string monogut high (after stretching) but i'm not sure how that would fit into your low stringing lbs.
Tennismint
New User
I'm not really getting your point here. Of course different types of strings will have different feel and attributes.
Many at the French Open (90's and earlier) played with non-poly strings and generated quite a bit of spin.....
The kick of Sampras's serve was a full natural gut-spin.
Today's players can freely hit harder, that's all. These new strings are obviously lower powered and can be used to take a big cut at the ball.
Cool thanks.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Yeah I'm going back to Pacific Classic as soon as I burn through my current batch of Klip Legend 15L. I'm having huge issues with its durability (and it's 15L for crying out loud!). I'll pay $4 more ($2/racquet) for ~triple the durability.
oops, the Monogut Pro Red 17crosses broke today after only 4 hours..Gaucho Gut is still decent..Will only restring crosses but around 58 instead of 60lbs
yangster007
Professional
Pacific Classic is known to last long in hybrids according to some of the members here.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
They really do. Relatively inexpensive, plays like buttah, built like tanks.
tsuen wan hitter
New User
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
I agree 110%. I was really amazed at how much longer in a hybrid. I am using Pacific gut mains and Tecnifibre NRG 17 crosses. I'm getting double the life out of a set of strings. I picked up two reels of TF NRG at a salvage store for like $75/reel. Both were brand new and unused. I'm on my last reel now. Once they're gone, I'm probably going to Wilson Sensation as my cross.
Tru dat, playa!
