Poly that can be strung over 75lbs??

Ignatz Tushwop · May 27, 2017

Stick with one setup .
You don't need an oversize raquet you swing well enough to use 98sq
Try simple time tested lux bb orig with reg mid frame mid tension .
Do this for a few months hitting through the ball so you don't push that's what keeps the ball in..goodluck

Shroud · May 27, 2017

tlm said:
Depending on the racket and the poly it's not near as bad as most think it is. I have tried poly from 30-72 lbs. and I just play better with high tension. I can play with poly in the 50's but much prefer 60 and above, nothing beats a fresh job of high tension poly.

One of my hitting partners used the Wilson 90 for years with lux BB ace at 70 lbs. I know most will not believe it but his set up did not feel stiff or harsh, I would hit with his racket once in a while and I always remember thinking his racket felt comfy.

I think that it can be worse playing with old stiff poly that is worn out. Many players string lower and use their poly strings way past their life. I string high but I change my strings frequently and do not have arm problems, to me it's more important to change poly strings often as opposed to tension. But if you can use lower tension then that's great because the string will keep its life a little longer and the lower tension is easier on the arm.

Wish people could donate their old stiff poly to Shroud. I would take every bit of it.

Yeah i am at the point now where every racquet gets kev/poly at 86/86.

Also 72 is probably a good number since its hit or miss that the poly actually works that high. I think about 50% just couldnt go that high without losing elasticity.

Just got a reel of ashaway Monofire which is a full poly and not a copoly. I am hoping its a real stiff 4g clone and can be strung over 80lbs

Seriously will take my lottery money and make a poly with a 700 stiffness...

Shroud · May 27, 2017

Ignatz Tushwop said:
Stick with one setup .
You don't need an oversize raquet you swing well enough to use 98sq
Try simple time tested lux bb orig with reg mid frame mid tension .
Do this for a few months hitting through the ball so you don't push that's what keeps the ball in..goodluck

I tried that approach with rpm blast and well it was great for maybe a couple outings and then everything hit the fence. if the tension is lower all i will do is hold back cause if i dont it sails. So if i push now, low tension makes it worse

tlm · May 27, 2017

Shroud said:
Wish people could donate their old stiff poly to Shroud. I would take every bit of it.

Yeah i am at the point now where every racquet gets kev/poly at 86/86.

Also 72 is probably a good number since its hit or miss that the poly actually works that high. I think about 50% just couldnt go that high without losing elasticity.

Just got a reel of ashaway Monofire which is a full poly and not a copoly. I am hoping its a real stiff 4g clone and can be strung over 80lbs

Seriously will take my lottery money and make a poly with a 700 stiffness...

Have you ever tried luxilon BB original? It's very low powered and can be strung tight.

Shroud · May 27, 2017

tlm said:
Have you ever tried luxilon BB original? It's very low powered and can be strung tight.

Yes i believe i did. I remember really digging it as a cross. I also recall it losing tension pretty fast. Pretty sure i have some here i can try again after the ashaway monofire

tlm · May 27, 2017

Shroud said:
Yes i believe i did. I remember really digging it as a cross. I also recall it losing tension pretty fast. Pretty sure i have some here i can try again after the ashaway monofire

I don't remember it losing tension quickly I thought that it kept its playability longer than most poly strings. I think you may like it in a full job at 70 lbs or above.

degrease · May 27, 2017

[
Have you thought about changing racket? If it needs poly at way above recommended tensions then something is wrong

HaQUOTE="Shroud, post: 9672584, member: 460172"]Yes. I have mentioned the launch angle many times here and fwiw I think the high launch angle of spin rackets is what gives the illusion of spin.

Coming from an 18x20 95" to the 110" 16x19 the launch angle is higher and that's the reason for the higher tension.

Anyhow you guys have to understand that such blanket statements logically lead to tension not making any difference and well that's not the case with the pros. And certainly you have had a sting bed that is too loose to be useable.[/QUOTE]

J J · May 28, 2017

Something is wrong with your technique if you have to use poly over 75 ???

Reading your posts in this thread I see you are way over thinking gear.

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ReopeningWed · May 28, 2017

J J said:
Something is wrong with your technique if you have to use poly over 75 ???

Reading your posts in this thread I see you are way over thinking gear.

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I've strung from 31 lbs to 61 lbs on the same poly, I hit just fine with every single one of them. Currently I string at 41/37. I also just pick rackets based on how cool the paint job looks, it really doesn't matter. The NCAA players that I know don't care about what racket they play with either, they're happy to get any racket that their school is sponsored by.

One guy in particular, who I grew up with and played for UCSB, played with a Pure Drive as a junior, and switched to a Blade 18x20 at UCSB because the school had a contract with Wilson, and because he didn't want to break string as quickly. String durability was the only thing he cared about, and we're talking teams that have two or three people working as dedicated stringers.

Shroud · May 28, 2017

degrease said:
[
Have you thought about changing racket? If it needs poly at way above recommended tensions then something is wrong

HaQUOTE="Shroud, post: 9672584, member: 460172"]Yes. I have mentioned the launch angle many times here and fwiw I think the high launch angle of spin rackets is what gives the illusion of spin.

Coming from an 18x20 95" to the 110" 16x19 the launch angle is higher and that's the reason for the higher tension.

Anyhow you guys have to understand that such blanket statements logically lead to tension not making any difference and well that's not the case with the pros. And certainly you have had a sting bed that is too loose to be useable.

[/QUOTE]
You name it i probably played with it. Except heads and babs, though i did demo some babs.

Its my handle. It adds about 50g to the racquets. Go add 50g to your handle and see what kind of rabbit hole it leads you down gear wise. But its worth doing it in my case.

Shroud · May 28, 2017

ReopeningWed said:
I've strung from 31 lbs to 61 lbs on the same poly, I hit just fine with every single one of them. Currently I string at 41/37. I also just pick rackets based on how cool the paint job looks, it really doesn't matter. The NCAA players that I know don't care about what racket they play with either, they're happy to get any racket that their school is sponsored by.

One guy in particular, who I grew up with and played for UCSB, played with a Pure Drive as a junior, and switched to a Blade 18x20 at UCSB because the school had a contract with Wilson, and because he didn't want to break string as quickly. String durability was the only thing he cared about, and we're talking teams that have two or three people working as dedicated stringers.

Yeah but those guys like yourself can play tennis. I clearly am challenged. Also if you added 50g to your handle do you think it would change your tensions? Do you think you would add weight on the hoop so your racquet was 36pts hl? Would added weight in the hoop make yoir racquet more powerful?? Etc

Shroud · May 28, 2017

J J said:
Something is wrong with your technique if you have to use poly over 75 ???

Reading your posts in this thread I see you are way over thinking gear.

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Working on technique all the time. Some JJ is sound. Some not. I have vids all over the place showing me hitting see what you can see and i can work on it. It is usually stuff like prep earlier, dont hit late, blah blah blah

As to gear my handle adds 50g. That makes gear pretty important and probably is the reason i have to use high tension

Today i hit serves with a profile 95 strung with kev/poly at 86/86 and it was perfect. Control and power were there and spin too. The times i try normal tensions things sail.

Are you using a 380sw??

J J · May 28, 2017

Shroud said:
Working on technique all the time. Some JJ is sound. Some not. I have vids all over the place showing me hitting see what you can see and i can work on it. It is usually stuff like prep earlier, dont hit late, blah blah blah

As to gear my handle adds 50g. That makes gear pretty important and probably is the reason i have to use high tension

Today i hit serves with a profile 95 strung with kev/poly at 86/86 and it was perfect. Control and power were there and spin too. The times i try normal tensions things sail.

Are you using a 380sw??

I think my racket is 350 sw?? It's a leaded up pure drive tour. Not too much. Just enough to mimic a pro staff I used in college.

But 50 grams of lead is a bunch on your racket. Why so heavy.

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Shroud · May 28, 2017

J J said:
I think my racket is 350 sw?? It's a leaded up pure drive tour. Not too much. Just enough to mimic a pro staff I used in college.

But 50 grams of lead is a bunch on your racket. Why so heavy.

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Are you saying you played in college? Are you like the players Reopening Wed talks about?

My handle is 5 1/4" to 5 1/2". To get it to that size i add one replacement grip, 2 overgrips and some strips on the even number bevels. The replacement grip is 26g, the over grips are 18 grams total and the strips are about 6g iirc. So its not lead. Then i have to add weight in the hoop. So things end up 366-435g. Depending on the racquet. Sw is usually 380 or higher

Techniquewise i cant seem to swing in the middle. Its either 1 or 9+ it seems.

Try adding 20g in the handle and 20g in the hoop to your puredrive and see what it does to your shots and if your tension doesnt have to increase

I tried a lighter weight handle starting with a 5/8" size but thats a dead end cause no one makes 5/8 anymore besides brands that i dont buy...

J J · May 28, 2017

Shroud said:
Are you saying you played in college? Are you like the players Reopening Wed talks about?

My handle is 5 1/4" to 5 1/2". To get it to that size i add one replacement grip, 2 overgrips and some strips on the even number bevels. The replacement grip is 26g, the over grips are 18 grams total and the strips are about 6g iirc. So its not lead. Then i have to add weight in the hoop. So things end up 366-435g. Depending on the racquet. Sw is usually 380 or higher

Techniquewise i cant seem to swing in the middle. Its either 1 or 9+ it seems.

Try adding 20g in the handle and 20g in the hoop to your puredrive and see what it does to your shots and if your tension doesnt have to increase

I tried a lighter weight handle starting with a 5/8" size but thats a dead end cause no one makes 5/8 anymore besides brands that i dont buy...

I was recruited to play tennis at a Division 1 college. We were top 30 when i was there. I played Wilson's as a junior and in college because I had a sponsorship. I don't even know what strings I used. I think I used Prince synthetic gut the milky yellow looking one as a junior and in college i got whatever string they gave me. some type of poly. Probably luxilon. I just played strings till they broke always.

The big grip you use might not be necessary? Just get used to the largest regular grip. Use 2 over grips. Then the racket will still be normal balance and weight.

The huge weight increase you have doesn't make sense to me. Atp guys don't even swing that heavy a racket.

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Shroud · May 28, 2017

J J said:
I was recruited to play tennis at a Division 1 college. We were top 30 when i was there. I played Wilson's as a junior and in college because I had a sponsorship. I don't even know what strings I used. I think I used Prince synthetic gut the milky yellow looking one as a junior and in college i got whatever string they gave me. some type of poly. Probably luxilon. I just played strings till they broke always.

The big grip you use might not be necessary? Just get used to the largest regular grip. Use 2 over grips. Then the racket will still be normal balance and weight.

The huge weight increase you have doesn't make sense to me. Atp guys don't even swing that heavy a racket.

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Cool man. Thats great. So you were one of those players. Every stick and string job was the same? It all felt the same and you just played what you had? Equipment made no difference?? You asked for a random tension everytime??

Anyhow i did what you say when i was on the Rf97a review. I played with it totally stock except for 2 overgrips and strung it at its max tension range. It was way more headlight than i am used to but within the realm of reality. I hated every minute with that racquet. It was too light, too flexy, and i played like crap. I couldnt serve to save my life and couldnt do much of anything.

There is a vid but its pathetic.

Recently my strings broke and i played with a buddies stick. Small grip, normal weight, gut/poly in the normal range. I played pretty well with that but ugh it was sooo soft and noodly. I had to hold back alot and just guide the ball.

So its possible but i feel like i am just pushing.
Also i got blisters fast with the small handle. (Yeah i know how that makes me sound but one advantage of the big handle is no blisters)

The handle happened cause of TE. It was a reaction and a great one cause i havent had a recurrance even with the high tensions

J J · May 29, 2017

Shroud said:
Cool man. Thats great. So you were one of those players. Every stick and string job was the same? It all felt the same and you just played what you had? Equipment made no difference?? You asked for a random tension everytime??

Anyhow i did what you say when i was on the Rf97a review. I played with it totally stock except for 2 overgrips and strung it at its max tension range. It was way more headlight than i am used to but within the realm of reality. I hated every minute with that racquet. It was too light, too flexy, and i played like crap. I couldnt serve to save my life and couldnt do much of anything.

There is a vid but its pathetic.

Recently my strings broke and i played with a buddies stick. Small grip, normal weight, gut/poly in the normal range. I played pretty well with that but ugh it was sooo soft and noodly. I had to hold back alot and just guide the ball.

So its possible but i feel like i am just pushing.
Also i got blisters fast with the small handle. (Yeah i know how that makes me sound but one advantage of the big handle is no blisters)

The handle happened cause of TE. It was a reaction and a great one cause i havent had a recurrance even with the high tensions

I just asked for mid tension. And that's what I always used. I never specified an exact tension. In college the coach and stringers recommended a tension and they just did it. They kept logs of my tensions to keep track of what everyone used but i never looked. They said they brought it down over the 1st year because of some shoulder discomfort I had that required physio but I played the same.

I think you should just use a racket like the one you borrowed and get used to the feeling of it. That way you can just work on skill. I watched a video of you on here and it seems from my opinion the stroke has some issues that is causing you to hit long. Mainly the racket face doesn't maintain a consistent angle from one stroke to the next. There are string choices you can use to mitigate tennis elbow. A 12.5 ounce racket should be plenty heavy to help with TE. Then just work of technique. There is no rational reason you cannot use a standard tension and standard racket to keep the ball in the court.

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Matthew Lee · May 29, 2017

You know it's true Shroud when the question at stake is tension that goes 70+ pounds. You then know it's false Shroud when the question is about poly, not kevlar.

Just kidding, that's just something fun I had in mind.

In all seriousness, I have never really used a poly that high in tension. The highest I've gone was 60 pounds, and that was in Tecnifibre's Pro Red Code. Maybe rounder polys would work better than shaped or textured polys, but that's just my thought.

Shroud · May 29, 2017

Shroud said:
Strung up some ashaway monogut (not to be confused with monogut zx) at 79lbs. It worked great. No issues with exceeding its elasticity. Played great.

Though there was one weird thing. On serves it would "squeak" like when you move a main string. It was a bit disconcerting. Not sure it was the string though. I normally put a light dusting of oil on my string bed but didnt this time. Maybe at these tensions strings squeak and I just didnt notice it on the others because of the oil?

Strung up kev/monogut at 86/86. Dt of 56 and no squeeks. Profile 95 hit like a dream

ReopeningWed · Jun 2, 2017

Shroud said:
It was too light, too flexy, and i played like crap. I couldnt serve to save my life and couldnt do much of anything.

Shroud said:
I played pretty well with that but ugh it was sooo soft and noodly. I had to hold back alot and just guide the ball.

I think these things are all timing and swing path issues. Any ball goes in if you meet it at the right contact point and swing with enough racket head speed and put enough spin on it. Nadal and clay specialists kind of take it to an extreme. Imagine how much faster you'd swing a racket if you played with a frame that didn't have the extra weight in the hoop, how much spin you'd generate off of the racket head speed! You're already physically a monster and a pretty good tennis player.

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