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stephenclown

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Has anyone on here had experience with Siboasi stringing machines? perhaps while travelling through China?

They seem to make a high quality product for the price but the electronics and quality control may be a deciding factor. Tried using Taobao as a gauge of their quality and google translate isn't that comprehensive but a majority seems very positive on their products.

Found the brand after a user mentioned his Siboasi ball machine and its quality, hoping this translates through to their other goods. It looks like they may be a manufacturer for Lobster machines given the similarity of their products?

I can't seem to find something that is similar to their stringing machines so hopefully they are a decent supplier in China. They are doing a lot of business through online Chinese sites from what I can see.

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Electrical and mechanical components can be just as good as stuff made for the US market. Depends on their QC requirements. Designs are not exotic so there is no leading edge to be an issue.
 
esgee48

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Electrical and mechanical components can be just as good as stuff made for the US market. Depends on their QC requirements. Designs are not exotic so there is no leading edge to be an issue.
 
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stephenclown

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esgee48 said:
Electrical and mechanical components can be just as good as stuff made for the US market. Depends on their QC requirements. Designs are not exotic so there is no leading edge to be an issue.
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Yeah I see that they are pretty conservative in their designs. They have a 1 year free replacement parts warranty on the goods (delivered). 2 year total warranty but not sure what that covers. This seems about similar to lower end manufacturers but may be decent?

That stringing machine above is $2k AUD delivered. Similar here at that price is a table top with wise tension head. To pay for the cost of the machine I would have to string 100 racquets which should be easily doable.
 
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OccasionalStringer

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stephenclown said:
Yeah I see that they are pretty conservative in their designs. They have a 1 year free replacement parts warranty on the goods (delivered). 2 year total warranty but not sure what that covers. This seems about similar to lower end manufacturers but may be decent?

That stringing machine above is $2k AUD delivered. Similar here at that price is a table top with wise tension head. To pay for the cost of the machine I would have to string 100 racquets which should be easily doable.
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The most important question is the quality of the clamps and clamp bases.
  1. How well they hold
  2. How smooth they move
  3. How smooth they are to operate overall
That is tough to judge from the pictures alone. Besides manufacturing QC depends also material selections for the parts

It seems that to change the clamp bases is easy but if they are not good where to find replacement.

As they supply also the parts then one possibility could be just order one clamp base with rail and one string clamp and somehow test or evaluate them.
Possibly they could then ship you the machine without one clamp and somehow compensate on the price
 
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stephenclown

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OccasionalStringer said:
The most important question is the quality of the clamps and clamp bases.
  1. How well they hold
  2. How smooth they move
  3. How smooth they are to operate overall
That is tough to judge from the pictures alone. Besides manufacturing QC depends also material selections for the parts

It seems that to change the clamp bases is easy but if they are not good where to find replacement.

As they supply also the parts then one possibility could be just order one clamp base with rail and one string clamp and somehow test or evaluate them.
Possibly they could then ship you the machine without one clamp and somehow compensate on the price
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Good tips, it is even tough to see from the video that they have as its mainly about setup. Perhaps I should ask for a video of them actually stringing on the machine to show how it moves.
 
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stephenclown

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The reason for looking at this option is going to be going into stringing as well as part time cash for tennis stuff. I work full time and study law so my cash is drained already and at the moment I am putting probably $20-40 (1-2 jobs labour) a week average into stringing when I play. I want to be back playing 4+ times a week which would put this cost up considerably seeing as I get maybe 6-8 hours from a string before my wrist feels it rounding. So it is an investment into the future and at this rate it would pay for itself in a year most likely with a couple extra frames per week to do for others.
 
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OccasionalStringer

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stephenclown said:
Good tips, it is even tough to see from the video that they have as its mainly about setup. Perhaps I should ask for a video of them actually stringing on the machine to show how it moves.
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Video with good close ups of clamps, moving the clamps and how well they hold, would tell something.

But of course nothing beats your own hands on experience.

Stringing is very frustrating if clamps are not good!
 
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When calculating the price have you factored in the eventual VAT and customs taxes on your side? Here they make almost 25% of the manufacturer's price.
 
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stephenclown

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Imago said:
When calculating the price have you factored in the eventual VAT and customs taxes on your side? Here they make almost 25% of the manufacturer's price.
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It seems like they will be posting in 3 parcels due to the size, like 40-50 kg or something total. Each roughly equal in price would fall outside the guidelines for import duties/GST if properly marked. Import duties and GST apply to goods over $1k coming into Australia. I can check with them but if it is this way will be fine.

It costs something like $400 AUD to post it here so the cost of the item isn't that high. If they put it on the slow boat it may have been better though to save a heap of cost, but I think they are after fast delivery to customers.

Edit* Also a Chinese factory replica but seems like a little lower quality control of Alpha sells here for $2k table top with Wise tension head. So this is pretty ballpark for a machine IMO at a wholesale price. Their tension head standalone costs $559 USD as on the below machine which is pretty much same cost as a Wise Tension head at retail here.



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Imago

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stephenclown said:
It seems like they will be posting in 3 parcels due to the size, like 40-50 kg or something total. Each roughly equal in price would fall outside the guidelines for import duties/GST if properly marked.
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In this case ask specifically for three separate custom declarations. But then you run the risk of individual parcels being scattered and lost.
 
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stephenclown

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Imago said:
In this case ask specifically for three separate custom declarations. But then you run the risk of individual parcels being scattered and lost.
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Turns out it was just 2 cases. Its like $1500 aud for the machine by itself. Thanks for the tips. I will be conversing with them a lot to try and fix this up. I want to be stringing for clients so lots of practicing initially as never done it before. I have watched a lot and very good with my hands for this kind of stuff so hopefully it turns out well.

Need to make enough to support my angell addiction!
 
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Imago

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stephenclown said:
Turns out it was just 2 cases. Its like $1500 aud for the machine by itself. Thanks for the tips. I will be conversing with them a lot to try and fix this up. I want to be stringing for clients so lots of practicing initially as never done it before. I have watched a lot and very good with my hands for this kind of stuff so hopefully it turns out well.

Need to make enough to support my angell addiction!
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Good luck with it!

PS. Just got my second Angell - TC97 18x20 330/310. :)
 
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OccasionalStringer

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stephenclown said:
Turns out it was just 2 cases. Its like $1500 aud for the machine by itself. Thanks for the tips. I will be conversing with them a lot to try and fix this up. I want to be stringing for clients so lots of practicing initially as never done it before. I have watched a lot and very good with my hands for this kind of stuff so hopefully it turns out well.

Need to make enough to support my angell addiction!
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If you order this I strongly recommend you to consider model D2159, which has synchronized side supports with C supports instead of K supports.

Synchronized supports makes mounting the racket much easier when you tighten them first it centers the frame so that 6 and 12 supports go between the center grommets at the top and bottom. Specially if you are stringing a lot for other people. Not all the frames have mark for the center at the top and if the frame centers automatically it makes live easier and you dot have stupid mistakes misaligning the frame.

Also C side support are much better than K supports in case of blocked holes and Head cap grommets

With this model the stand is pretty expensive, like 250 Euro. So if you order it wo stand as a table top model it should be much cheaper and most likely shipping is also less.

Here in Europe the same model appears to be available from arfaian as pro' pro. Table top model V-700 lists 1050 Euro and the same with stand as V-800 lists 1290 Euro.
Based on the pictures they pretty much the same machine as Siboasi
 
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stephenclown

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Imago said:
Good luck with it!

PS. Just got my second Angell - TC97 18x20 330/310. :)
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Awesome! Beautiful frames, was raining all week here so going to play with my 97 tomorrow. Really thinking about 16x19 97 as well and 90 or 100... 90 seems not good for my style but 100 i dont trust as much with 1hbh
 
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stephenclown

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OccasionalStringer said:
If you order this I strongly recommend you to consider model D2159, which has synchronized side supports with C supports instead of K supports.

Synchronized supports makes mounting the racket much easier when you tighten them first it centers the frame so that 6 and 12 supports go between the center grommets at the top and bottom. Specially if you are stringing a lot for other people. Not all the frames have mark for the center at the top and if the frame centers automatically it makes live easier and you dot have stupid mistakes misaligning the frame.

Also C side support are much better than K supports in case of blocked holes and Head cap grommets

With this model the stand is pretty expensive, like 250 Euro. So if you order it wo stand as a table top model it should be much cheaper and most likely shipping is also less.

Here in Europe the same model appears to be available from arfaian as pro' pro. Table top model V-700 lists 1050 Euro and the same with stand as V-800 lists 1290 Euro.
Based on the pictures they pretty much the same machine as Siboasi
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Hmm now im worried... Heard a lot of things wrong with pros pro. Not sure if their high end is good as there are a couple machines that do get positive reviews... But... Still seems like it may be a risky buy, 1 year warranty seems manageable.

Also its a fair bit cheaper straight from the manufacturer probably 15-20%
 
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stephenclown

Professional
Irvin said:
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Thanks Irvin I had only their other video but looks to be smooth operation. Maybe the top line pros pro arent so bad?

Didnt like the nightmares of their cheap cheap stuff. The salesperson at Siboasi said I should really look at their electronic heads compared to their lower end stuff...
 
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stephenclown

Professional

They also manufacture Tinga and DK botsports and it looks like a previous generation but pretty smooth movement? Hopefully 1 year warranty is good enough... The top of the line they have at the moment is the red one and its only like $100 more. I will see if they split from the base as well :)


OccasionalStringer said:
Video with good close ups of clamps, moving the clamps and how well they hold, would tell something.

But of course nothing beats your own hands on experience.

Stringing is very frustrating if clamps are not good!
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Irvin

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There is usually a reason the cheap stuff (not necessarily lower priced) is priced lower.
 
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OccasionalStringer

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stephenclown said:
Hmm now im worried... Heard a lot of things wrong with pros pro. Not sure if their high end is good as there are a couple machines that do get positive reviews... But... Still seems like it may be a risky buy, 1 year warranty seems manageable.

Also its a fair bit cheaper straight from the manufacturer probably 15-20%
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Yes, you should be worried.

I think that if you could somehow verify that the clamps are good then you would be safe.

The cradle should be OK and I think also that tension head is also OK. It appears to be Wise clone which sold separately with almost at the same price as Wise 2086

In Europe there is a brand Superstringer sold by Tennismann. Based on what I have read in German seitenforum the clamps and clamp bases should be good. Some models have curved clamp rails and I'm pretty sure that they will fit in directly to this Siboasi machine. Of course also this Superstringer stuff comes from China.

But if you really would order 1st clamp bases with rails. I suppose that would be way less than 100 USD. That would be your " insurance fee" not to make bad purchase.
 
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OccasionalStringer

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Looking at first video posted by Irvin about badminton stringer I get an impression that clamp base movement could be smoother. It seems to get occasionally slightly stuck during movement and rotation. The clamp bases appear to be the same as in this D2159.

I might be wrong though as I'm very critical concerning this.
 
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stephenclown

Professional
OccasionalStringer said:
Looking at first video posted by Irvin about badminton stringer I get an impression that clamp base movement could be smoother. It seems to get occasionally slightly stuck during movement and rotation. The clamp bases appear to be the same as in this D2159.

I might be wrong though as I'm very critical concerning this.
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I noticed that, seems like it it doesnt swivel smoothly in tight rotations. Is seen in the tinga model i posted above as well with the tennis racquet stringing.

How detrimental is this to a quality stringing experience? Would this break the deal for you?
 
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OccasionalStringer

Rookie
stephenclown said:
I noticed that, seems like it it doesnt swivel smoothly in tight rotations. Is seen in the tinga model i posted above as well with the tennis racquet stringing.

How detrimental is this to a quality stringing experience? Would this break the deal for you?
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I wouldn't do any tournament with the machine (i.e. like in the video), that would drive me crazy.

Doing low volume home stringing - most likely ok, but hard to give definitive answer without trying the clamps with my own hands.
 
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Paul Lawson

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Stephen,

I'm living in China right now and recently purchased a stringer myself after looking at Siboasi and Alpha from Chinese sellers. I couldn't find any Siboasi machines in person to lay eyes or hands on here in Guangzhou at any of the tennis markets. Ultimately after talking and receiving reassurance from Alpha in the US about the quality of Alpha here, I went with an Alpha machine. But everything I turned up on Siboasi looked promising.

If you need/want help communicating with Taobao sellers, etc. I'm happy to help.

Good luck!
 
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OccasionalStringer

Rookie
Paul Lawson said:
Stephen,

I'm living in China right now and recently purchased a stringer myself after looking at Siboasi and Alpha from Chinese sellers. I couldn't find any Siboasi machines in person to lay eyes or hands on here in Guangzhou at any of the tennis markets. Ultimately after talking and receiving reassurance from Alpha in the US about the quality of Alpha here, I went with an Alpha machine. But everything I turned up on Siboasi looked promising.

If you need/want help communicating with Taobao sellers, etc. I'm happy to help.

Good luck!
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Paul,

Did you end up buying Alpha Ghost or equivalent?

To me it appears to be available only in the US at least I can't find any source here in Europe
 
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stephenclown

Professional
Paul Lawson said:
Stephen,

I'm living in China right now and recently purchased a stringer myself after looking at Siboasi and Alpha from Chinese sellers. I couldn't find any Siboasi machines in person to lay eyes or hands on here in Guangzhou at any of the tennis markets. Ultimately after talking and receiving reassurance from Alpha in the US about the quality of Alpha here, I went with an Alpha machine. But everything I turned up on Siboasi looked promising.

If you need/want help communicating with Taobao sellers, etc. I'm happy to help.

Good luck!
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Thank you for the information :) i think their lower end machines are pretty hit and miss for siboasi but their high end seems decently made. It would be 2k for a high end Siboasi delivered to Australia compared to the alpha ghost equivalent at $5.5k here, they seem to be rebranded as spinfire here.

I was reading your posts last night but couldnt find the taobao sellers that you mentioned for alpha machines. Not knowing chinese is a little restrictive in taobao unfortunately. I have used agents before but never for something so significantly priced. If possible could you please message me the seller name / link address?

Siboasi has an english selling site with costs same as in the chinese market from what I can see so it seems to be a decent option. I trawled through reviews on taobao and they seemed fairly positive for their machines as they seem like a large manufacturer.
 
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Paul Lawson

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OccasionalStringer said:
Paul,

Did you end up buying Alpha Ghost or equivalent?

To me it appears to be available only in the US at least I can't find any source here in Europe
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The models available in China aren’t the same as you see in the US market. Different names and setups. For example, the XM-7500 Plus I bought (LO machine) seems to be a combination of components from Revo, Axis and Apex.

Alpha China has 9 models of electronic stringers available: http://www.alphatennis.com.cn/Product/Drawing/

So you’d have to do some research to see which is most Ike the Ghost or Ghost 2 feature-wise.
 
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OccasionalStringer

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Paul Lawson said:
The models available in China aren’t the same as you see in the US market. Different names and setups. For example, the XM-7500 Plus I bought (LO machine) seems to be a combination of components from Revo, Axis and Apex.

Alpha China has 9 models of electronic stringers available: http://www.alphatennis.com.cn/Product/Drawing/

So you’d have to do some research to see which is most Ike the Ghost or Ghost 2 feature-wise.
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Thanks for the link.

This appears to be all Chinese wo English language selection so I suppose they do not export?
 
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OccasionalStringer

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OccasionalStringer

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stephenclown said:
Also depends on quality control I guess with how they finish them and whether they are good or terrible. Pros pro are supposed to be pretty poor tracks and clamp arent they?
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I'm pretty sure that they are both one and the same coming from the same assembly line the only difference being the name painted on the machine. Also, manufacturing QC can't do much if the original material selections are not good

Yes, pp clamps basically suck, but can't tell if the "premium" ones are any better. But it is not awfully expensive to order one to test and evaluate it.

So I have PP V888 and I tried first to improve bases by working on them but due to poor material it was not successful. Ended up ordering Prince bases with rails which are great and fit directly in.
 
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stephenclown

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OccasionalStringer said:
I'm pretty sure that they are both one and the same coming from the same assembly line the only difference being the name painted on the machine. Also, manufacturing QC can't do much if the original material selections are not good

Yes, pp clamps basically suck, but can't tell if the "premium" ones are any better. But it is not awfully expensive to order one to test and evaluate it.

So I have PP V888 and I tried first to improve bases by working on them but due to poor material it was not successful. Ended up ordering Prince bases with rails which are great and fit directly in.
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The siboasi has curved bases on their higher end machines so perhaps there is a difference. I will order a set and see what they are like, thanks for all the help :)
 
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eddy024

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stephenclown said:
The siboasi has curved bases on their higher end machines so perhaps there is a difference. I will order a set and see what they are like, thanks for all the help :)
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Did you purchased the Siboasi automatic?? I am thinking of buying it but there are zero reviews over internet. Such a shame.
 
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stephenclown

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eddy024 said:
Did you purchased the Siboasi automatic?? I am thinking of buying it but there are zero reviews over internet. Such a shame.
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I have a siboasi electric one. It works really well and no issues here. The clamps and rails probably aren't going to compete with top level babolat or yonex but they work really well still.
 
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eddy024

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stephenclown said:
I have a siboasi electric one. It works really well and no issues here. The clamps and rails probably aren't going to compete with top level babolat or yonex but they work really well still.
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Which model do you have? Well i use flying clamps so the rails and clamps won't be a problem I guess.
 
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eddy024

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struggle said:
:oops::oops::oops: May I ask why?
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Actually flying clamp saves a lot of time in stringing( this is what i observe) may be because i string badminton only.

I am looking forward to buy S3169, fully automatic, costing me around US $2800 here in India.
What is your view?
 
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Louisstringer

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Hello!! Anyone here has experience with the Siboasi machine? Can you tell about your experience with the machine? I'm considering the S3169, but not much info out there from real users.
thanks!!

L
 
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j1mster

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Louisstringer said:
Hello!! Anyone here has experience with the Siboasi machine? Can you tell about your experience with the machine? I'm considering the S3169, but not much info out there from real users.
thanks!!

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I've been using the Siboasi S616 for the past 4 months, its been great so far with aprox 200 rackets strung. the clamps are coated, the motor is as good as the WISE 2086! it's slightly quieter than the wise and it has more tension memory slots as well as a knot option. I still have my penta 3600 w/WISE head as backup both are great machines that i hope to keep for a long time. The s3169 quality is probably as good as my, i chose the 616 version because it doesnt take as much space, also to replace the motor if it ever breaks I can swap with WISE(after some modification to adaptor plate.)
 
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emo_168

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Louisstringer said:
Hello!! Anyone here has experience with the Siboasi machine? Can you tell about your experience with the machine? I'm considering the S3169, but not much info out there from real users.
thanks!!

L
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I am satisfied. I use Siboassi Tension Head S8198 from 2016, strung more than 3000 frames. Stable construction with very good linear motion. In the third year, I replaced the electric motor. The Siboasi team is great. They sent me a new electric motor + gearbox. It all happened in just five working days.
 
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Folsom_Stringer_Musa

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stephenclown said:

They also manufacture Tinga and DK botsports and it looks like a previous generation but pretty smooth movement? Hopefully 1 year warranty is good enough... The top of the line they have at the moment is the red one and its only like $100 more. I will see if they split from the base as well :)
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Machine design looks fantastic specially the gripper!
The clamp base is basic type though.
 
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rvannah47

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stephenclown said:
Has anyone on here had experience with Siboasi stringing machines? perhaps while travelling through China?

They seem to make a high quality product for the price but the electronics and quality control may be a deciding factor. Tried using Taobao as a gauge of their quality and google translate isn't that comprehensive but a majority seems very positive on their products.

Found the brand after a user mentioned his Siboasi ball machine and its quality, hoping this translates through to their other goods. It looks like they may be a manufacturer for Lobster machines given the similarity of their products?

I can't seem to find something that is similar to their stringing machines so hopefully they are a decent supplier in China. They are doing a lot of business through online Chinese sites from what I can see.

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I just got my Siboasi from the factory. Took 35 days from factory to my door in Las Vegas. 450 shipping cost. Machine was 1,958. Very easy to assemble and I will report back when I start using it.
 
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j1mster

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I’ve upgraded to Siboasi 3169 last year with the new auto pull trigger update, used it as my main workhorse so far so good over 500 rackets strung only had error message once. The motor is much smoother, quicker and quieter than wise or mt200 motors. Baseclamps do not slip like Eagnas or AEF crap, clamps are ugly but are coated well won’t slip on grease jap yonex polys or rpm blast.
 
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Binatang

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j1mster said:
I’ve upgraded to Siboasi 3169 last year with the new auto pull trigger update, used it as my main workhorse so far so good over 500 rackets strung only had error message once. The motor is much smoother, quicker and quieter than wise or mt200 motors. Baseclamps do not slip like Eagnas or AEF crap, clamps are ugly but are coated well won’t slip on grease jap yonex polys or rpm blast.
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Is the Sibaosi 3169 tensioning system chain-driven? Also does it have table brake - manual or auto?
 
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j1mster

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Binatang said:
Is the Sibaosi 3169 tensioning system chain-driven? Also does it have table brake - manual or auto?
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Not sure about the motor itself definitely not the same mechanics or sound as the wise 2086 but if feels like a gamma or alpha ghost level of quality. No brake mechanism built in but the digital menu has the option to turn on or off (possibly in future model will have it for additional $$$). The tray layout and plastic mold design is ok not amazing, can fit a few simple tools but trays are not as deep as others out there. I can only put a plier, starting clamp and cutter. If i were to cram my fancy yonex style starting clamp or awls etc it is very likely that i will knock it to the ground while stringing. Weight is fairly light and very portable compared to other machines ive had in the past i installed it all on my own no help needed to balance etc. Overall the value is definitely there and i dont regret buying it at all. I also have a tennisman xpider machine with fancy push press levers and the support posts from it can be modded onto the siboasi if your handy. I will see how this goes in 2 to 3 years as im stringing around 1,000 frames a year. Im definitely considering this machine vs the tourna 750 xpider ones on my next purchase. If the next siboasi has electro magnetic brake then its game over.
 
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Binatang

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j1mster said:
Not sure about the motor itself definitely not the same mechanics or sound as the wise 2086 but if feels like a gamma or alpha ghost level of quality. No brake mechanism built in but the digital menu has the option to turn on or off (possibly in future model will have it for additional $$$). The tray layout and plastic mold design is ok not amazing, can fit a few simple tools but trays are not as deep as others out there. I can only put a plier, starting clamp and cutter. If i were to cram my fancy yonex style starting clamp or awls etc it is very likely that i will knock it to the ground while stringing. Weight is fairly light and very portable compared to other machines ive had in the past i installed it all on my own no help needed to balance etc. Overall the value is definitely there and i dont regret buying it at all. I also have a tennisman xpider machine with fancy push press levers and the support posts from it can be modded onto the siboasi if your handy. I will see how this goes in 2 to 3 years as im stringing around 1,000 frames a year. Im definitely considering this machine vs the tourna 750 xpider ones on my next purchase. If the next siboasi has electro magnetic brake then its game over.
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I think the Sibaosi is good value for what you pay especially if you get it direct & there is some promo. The service has been pretty good & responsive as well.
Just wished their models had a manual brake for the few odd times I need it as I still string a few Prince O ports.
I have strung on a few Taiwanese models that had the auto brake function. They're nice for sure but the braking function is actually a rubber pad akin to car brake pad & like car brake pads they need replacing ever so often. I prefer the simplicity/durability of a manual brake.
 
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