TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
But what about Grigor Dimitrov? He's quite good.
Why I now feel Nadal is almost certain to reach 20 slams
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Noletheking
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@11 uso? Daddy Nadal was waiting for him in the final
BGod
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Ya. Fed completely flubbed their French Final. No way he loses at Flushing. Would have been 4 sets for Roger. Remember he beat Nadal at 10-11 WTF matches.
Noletheking
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Lmao if you believe Fed was going to beat him in 2011.
BGod
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At that point the only HC Slam win Nadal had was 2009 AO on slow hard in 5 sets.
2010 WTF: 6-3, 3-6, 6-1 Federer
2011 WTF: 6-3, 6-0 Federer
Towser83
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lol don't be so touchy, just saying nothing is certain but that's only 3 times in the last 14 years he hasn't won
Towser83
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Realist? No. Nole is not winning 4 slams, he will do good to win the AO this year
Noletheking
Hall of Fame
And who's gonna stop him at Wimbledon?Zverev?Tisi??Pusdev? And us open? Get real bro.
Towser83
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Well that's why I say barring injuries. Didn't really expect Nadal to come back this good and foolishly though Zverev might step up but now it looks like Djokovic and Nadal will carve up the slams between them. Thing is the next gen might hit before Djokovic makes 20 slams, Nadal is much closer so it's within his reach
Towser83
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I'm talking about him winning 4 slams, he might win wimbledon but Nadal will probably win RG.
At Wimbledon Djokovic has almost been beaten by Anderson, Del Potro and I think Cilic? Any of those could knock him out at Wim/USO
Noletheking
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He's lock for 3 and 4th will come i'm just relying on gut feeling for the 4th.
Towser83
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He seemed a lock for all 4 in 2016 after winning AU and RG but then lost at Wimbledon to Querry was it? and then Wawrinka at the USO. If he loses at this AO and then Nadal wins RG, he'll then be looking at 1 or 2
Noletheking
Hall of Fame
dont forget he was also holding 4 slams and now he's back and motivated. There's no reason why he can't do that, only player that can trouble is Nadal. Take my advice and bet on Djokovic and make good bucks like @TahoeTennis is making
TahoeTennis
Legend
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
If he wins thge AO and RG he will be holding all 4 slams exactly like he did before. And before he couldn't win the raining 2 slams in 2016. And that was with Nadal practically out of the picture. He lost to Querry and Wawrinka. I can understand the loss to Stan, but Querry?
Nadal could be big trouble, starting with the AO final if Djokovic makes it (which he should) Nadal has been playing insanely good though admittedly he's not played anyone that tough yet. However this is looking like the USO 2010 and 2013 and we know what happened in those
Noletheking
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He couldn't win remaing 2 because he lost the motivation . Now he openly stated that he's chasing Fed's no. SO there's no derth of Motivation
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
He was only 2 slams away from Nadal and Sampras and he lost motivation? He can lose motivation again when. Or you know, just get beaten by Nadal
Noletheking
Hall of Fame
You just want to argue. You're too naive if you think itbwas otherwise. He had family problem and he even thought of quitting it. He had a rift in his relationship with his wife.
TheGhostOfAgassi
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Crisstti
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Lol I seriously doubt Towser is making a jinx thread.
Towser83
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You're rigjt, I'm not lol. I'm not saying he's certain to do it, I'm just saying i think he will. And that is on the condition that he remains healthy
Towser83
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2014-2016 Nadal was not anywhere near his best. Djokovic should have beat him at RG 2014 given how Nadal was playing and couldn't. If Nadal is playing well at RG, Djokovic is unlikely to win it
2012 AO 2014 AO and which others? 07 W and 17 AO I felt Fed won the match rather than Nadal lost it.
100% USO ones and I think 09 AO too. 4-2 up first set he went straight to the net to be passed twice to be broke back. With a bit more patience from the baseline (2017 mentality) he would’ve sealed the first set and won in 4 imo.
2011 W another huge missed chance. I’d fancy Fed to come into form vs Nole in the SF and based on their other 11/12 matches would favour him. USO absolutely should be on 6-7 easily.
He’ll still go down as a co-GOAT when all is said and done. Even if his total is surpassed he’ll remain W/USO co GOATs and HC co GOAT but he blew his chance of being undisputed.
jimjam
Professional
Answer: Because he won his last few matches convincingly.
As soon as he loses a GS match you'll change your opinion to "Why I'm almost certain Nadal will not catch up to Federer"
That's how things work on this forum, for some reason.
Truth is, both Nadal and Djokovic have a chance to catch up to Fed. but they could equally drop their level and get nowhere near him.
Neither result is "almost certain"
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Because people predict the future based on the past. In this case, the past represent the previous matches.
Unless you think that the past cannot predict the future, I do not see anything illogical in making predictions based on previous matches.
But after 2007 Wimbledon, Federer who was months before turning 26 was 3 slams behind Sampras. Nadal is 32 and is 3 behind Federer.
Big difference.
daddy
Legend
I thought that 32 was ? When Fed lost his rhythm in 2013 everyone was saying how it almost never happened apart from a few exceptions named Rod and last named Laver for example but in recent times nope.
Towser83
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As I said, Nadal could get injured. But if he doesn't, Djokovic is the only one who can be a consistent threat and I don't see him dominating like he did a few years back
Noletheking
Hall of Fame
who's talking about Nadal here? i just replied why he lost motivation.
Mkiske
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PMChambers
Hall of Fame
Nadal is very likely to make 20 {3+). He's in a very happy place due to having his GF on tour, Moya coach, Uncle Toby around for support but less controlling, desire to play, he'll start sharing the Federer bias at Tourneys once fed out picture. He really only needs to be prepared for 6 month year.
Although capable of loosing to anyone if he stays healthy he's really only got Djok as main opposition and rest on him. Can't see nextG improving fast enough in next 2 years. He could if no major injuries go 3-5 years just holding solid clay and slow HC season.
End of day it really only major injury and Djok that will stop him in next 2 years and after that he still has potential for RG and AO if slow it down again.
Although capable of loosing to anyone if he stays healthy he's really only got Djok as main opposition and rest on him. Can't see nextG improving fast enough in next 2 years. He could if no major injuries go 3-5 years just holding solid clay and slow HC season.
End of day it really only major injury and Djok that will stop him in next 2 years and after that he still has potential for RG and AO if slow it down again.
ADuck
Legend
Nadal's Grand Slam Final losses ordered from most wasted oppurtunity to least wasted oppurtunity:
1. AO 2014
2. WB 2018 (de facto final)
3. WB 2007
4. WB 2011
5. AO 2012
6. AO 2017
7. USO 2011
8. WB 2006
BGod
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I don't see how the above can be viewed more wasted opportunities than AO 12 or 17. Those were 5 set losses which by de-facto supersede 4 set losses, which you seem to agree with by playing USO 2011 next to last. The 2014 Final against Wawrinka was one of 2, Stan torched him or Nadal was injured, in which case that's not wasted as it's not the player's fault they were injured. Then 2007 Wimbledon was always in Federer's control except for a tight affair at 2-2 in the 5th but Roger won that and took it home comfortably.
I think 2017 AO is tops followed by 2012 as he was up a break in the 5th but against Novak he's facing the best returner of all time whereas against Fed, well Roger has a terrible BP percentage and he had the mental issues not having beaten Nadal at a Slam in a freaking decade. Wimbledon 2018 is 3rd as he had ample opportunities and in effect choked on some of them but Novak held firm and you can't really look at a 10-8 set and say one guy wasted the match so much as you can say one guy outlasted the other.
mavsman149
Hall of Fame
Nadal is playing great but don’t count hypothetical slams yet. Most people didn’t see Nadal having to wait 3 whole years to win another slam after the 2014 Roland Garros win. Most people seemed to think Nadal was done before 2017. Tennis changes quickly, most were wrong to write off Djokovic after 2017 and perhaps were writing Federer off too soon right now
ADuck
Legend
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. That's mine. The AO 2014 was the most winnable match out of all of these, and the most wasted oppurtunity because he could not perform as he would normally have. This list is based on not how close he was to winning, but what I feel was the most wasted oppurtunity.
WB 2018 I felt Nadal should have won the 5th set and 3rd set, he just got tight at the end of those sets and blew it. That's why I rank it number 2.
WB 2007 Nadal was the better player for most of the match again but was too tight in the fifth set. But to be fair Federer did step it up a notch here so maybe I overevaulated a bit.
AO 2012 and AO 2017 did not feel like missed oppurtunites to me because I felt the other player was better for most of the match and deserved the win.
Hope you understand my logic and bit better
Noletheking
Hall of Fame
That time h2h between Roger and Rafa on open hard was like 7-1 or 7-2 lmao. us open is not indoor so why even posting indoor result? Nadal beat him in straights in Dubai on a fast open hc in straight when he was a baby.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
I just feel he should've won the 3 AO finals he was in at least. Hes certainly lost too many latter round matches against guys he should've beaten.
jimjam
Professional
As predicted... now the entire forum is ALMOST CERTAIN that Nadal is done winning Grand Slams
Tennis_Hands
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Sudacafan
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Massive is not quite the word.^ Massive opinion.
Let’s try with ridiculous, hilarious, outrageous, preposterous ...
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
He didn't beat him in straight sets, Fed double broke him to win the first set if I recall correctly
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
No he did not. Fed and Nadal played in Dubai once, in 2006, and it was a three-setter.
Yeah score was 1-6, 6-4, 6-4. Fed won 78 points to 70 in the match I believe, but still lost.
The Green Mile
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1st set score was 2-6. That match was something else, how Rafa overcame Fed's blistering tennis in the first 1.5 sets especially.
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