Is the 2019 Pure Aero superior in every way to the 2016 lime?

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
i was watching a review of the 2019 PA by Top Tennis Training on YouTube and basically their verdict is that the new Pure Aero has just as much power as the old one but superior feel, control and touch

makes me feel super bad for purchasing the 2016 version

only reason I bought it was because it was on a big sale

do you think I should try and sell my 2016 PA and go for the new one?

is there really that much of a difference in how they play?
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
i was watching a review of the 2019 PA by Top Tennis Training on YouTube and basically their verdict is that the new Pure Aero has just as much power as the old one but superior feel, control and touch

makes me feel super bad for purchasing the 2016 version

only reason I bought it was because it was on a big sale

do you think I should try and sell my 2016 PA and go for the new one?

is there really that much of a difference in how they play?

No. Its really not that huge of a difference, honestly. I prefer the lime.
 

n8dawg6

Legend
the newer one is more muted which is not really a plus to me. otherwise they seem quite similar. i have a theory that the 2016 is gonna end up a little cultish like the 2013 APD. good time to pick one (or more) up.
 

atatu

Legend
The newer versions lacks the power that the previous model has, especially on anything that is up over the shoulder. I'm going to stock up on the 2016's, however if you don't need the extra pop then the 2019 has a bit more control.
 

atatu

Legend
Actually just looked at the numbers for the TW reviews, and I recognize that the scores are not scientific, but the overall score for the 2016 (88) is higher than the 2019 (86). The 2016 scores are a bit higher for power, serves, maneuverability, and stability. The 2019 scored higher for groundstrokes, comfort, touch and topspin.
 

Xpherex

Rookie
i was watching a review of the 2019 PA by Top Tennis Training on YouTube and basically their verdict is that the new Pure Aero has just as much power as the old one but superior feel, control and touch

makes me feel super bad for purchasing the 2016 version

only reason I bought it was because it was on a big sale

do you think I should try and sell my 2016 PA and go for the new one?

is there really that much of a difference in how they play?
I don't understand you. Do you feel bad because you didn't like it or because reviewers on tube say that it has less control and touch?
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
I don't understand you. Do you feel bad because you didn't like it or because reviewers on tube say that it has less control and touch?

it's the latter

i still haven't played with the frame, it's being strung and i'm gonna test it on the weekend

i just happened to watch that review and they were super positive about the new model and somewhat critical of the 2016 one
 

Pleb123

Semi-Pro
I much prefer the 2019 PA for the smoother, less brassy feel, and the added control. The 2016 was too powerful and uncontrollable without putting extreme topspin on every shot. Using the 2019 PA, I find I can hit through the ball and flatten shots with less risk of the ball flying long than the previous version. It is still a very powerful racquet and for me remains the best racquet for serving that I have used.
 

[d]ragon

Hall of Fame
I much prefer the 2019 PA for the smoother, less brassy feel, and the added control. The 2016 was too powerful and uncontrollable without putting extreme topspin on every shot. Using the 2019 PA, I find I can hit through the ball and flatten shots with less risk of the ball flying long than the previous version. It is still a very powerful racquet and for me remains the best racquet for serving that I have used.

This was my assessment as well. I much prefer the 2019 (just switched).
 

Jster

Professional
Actually just looked at the numbers for the TW reviews, and I recognize that the scores are not scientific, but the overall score for the 2016 (88) is higher than the 2019 (86). The 2016 scores are a bit higher for power, serves, maneuverability, and stability. The 2019 scored higher for groundstrokes, comfort, touch and topspin.

Scores.... Oh well.
 

J D

Semi-Pro
The 2016 was my main frame for two years and I did demo the 2019. Since Babolat’s specs tend to vary so much, it’s probably not very accurate to draw conclusions from one frame (the demo I had was slightly over spec/ 2 grams on weight and a 1/2 pt. more HH).

Keeping that in mind, the 2019 I tried was pretty different from my 2016’s. On the positive side, it was more arm friendly, had more control, and was more consistent on serves, hitting a heavier ball with better placement. Negatives for me were that it was clubby, less maneuverable, and more difficult to generate RHS and thus spin.

The 2019 played more like a 2013 APD with weight added to the head. That’s probably a good thing for a lot of people, but the 2019 was a step in the wrong direction for my game. It lacked the maneuverability and whippiness that, combined with stability, made the first PA unique.

With the right string combo, I can get all the control I need with the 2016. I still pull it out often against advanced opponents that aren’t troubled by pace. The depth and ridiculous spin befuddles lesser players and even keeps 4.5/5.0 types back on their heels.

The 16 would still be my main frame if it was a little easier on the arm and was just a bit more consistent on flatter shots. For example, I often get too much spin on put aways and that can give a fleet footed opponent a chance to get to a ball. It’s easier to blow the ball by people with less spin. The 19 is better at that than the 16.

So, the 19 isn’t better in every way, just different. And, it definitely isn’t the better frame for everyone. It depends on your game.
 
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Power Player

Bionic Poster
it's the latter

i still haven't played with the frame, it's being strung and i'm gonna test it on the weekend

i just happened to watch that review and they were super positive about the new model and somewhat critical of the 2016 one

You are thinking way too much. Just use the frame for a while and enjoy it. It's an awesome racquet. Already wanting the 2019 before even trying this one is a little crazy..lol. The Pure Aeros are pretty similar to it won't be a dramatic change from one model to the next. I have owned multiple versions of the Aero pro and then the PA.
 
Chalk and cheese; night and day; must by the new one - actually, given Bab's qc, they are highly interchangeable, with the new one being consistently slightly more dampened.
 

Jster

Professional
@n8dawg6 it is the same as saying : " samsung galaxy s10 is more lighter than iPhone 11, hence it will be easier to play mobile legends, less tiring to hold the phone. A better phone to use" eyes rolled 720 degree
 

n8dawg6

Legend
@n8dawg6 it is the same as saying : " samsung galaxy s10 is more lighter than iPhone 11, hence it will be easier to play mobile legends, less tiring to hold the phone. A better phone to use" eyes rolled 720 degree
i will admit that they made some noticeable changes between 2013 and 2016 ... mainly opened the pattern and added a skosh of SW. 2019 is incremental though ... and big picture theyre all different flavors of the same thing. with different paint (thats fun)m

btw, apple wants me to pre-order that iphone ... otherwise i cant be guaranteed the color i want
 

Fairhit

Hall of Fame
i was watching a review of the 2019 PA by Top Tennis Training on YouTube and basically their verdict is that the new Pure Aero has just as much power as the old one but superior feel, control and touch

makes me feel super bad for purchasing the 2016 version

only reason I bought it was because it was on a big sale

do you think I should try and sell my 2016 PA and go for the new one?

is there really that much of a difference in how they play?
They are simply slightly different, not better one than the other, just different, for some the 16 will be the best and for some it will be the 19, that's why always there's people praising the new direction a line is taking and other people complaining the line took the wrong direction, it all depends on the player and you will not know how you feel about it until you play with the racquet, so go ahead and play and enjoy.

Besides, you are asking to a group of holics if it was a bad idea to purchase a frame, it's never a bad idea! And you got it at a good price, that's always a win and if you don't like it I'm sure you can sell it without problems within days, you get to try a new frame and can keep it if you want of sell it if you didn't like it, at the end of the day always is a good idea to try new frames and you can just keep it and play with it for fun whenever you want to.
 
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Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
The 2016 was my main frame for two years and I did demo the 2019. Since Babolat’s specs tend to vary so much, it’s probably not very accurate to draw conclusions from one frame (the demo I had was slightly over spec/ 2 grams on weight and a 1/2 pt. more HH).

Keeping that in mind, the 2019 I tried was pretty different from my 2016’s. On the positive side, it was more arm friendly, had more control, and was more consistent on serves, hitting a heavier ball with better placement. Negatives for me were that it was clubby, less maneuverable, and more difficult to generate RHS and thus spin.

The 2019 played more like a 2013 APD with weight added to the head. That’s probably a good thing for a lot of people, but the 2019 was a step in the wrong direction for my game. It lacked the maneuverability and whippiness that, combined with stability, made the first PA unique.

With the right string combo, I can get all the control I need with the 2016. I still pull it out often against advanced opponents that aren’t troubled by pace. The depth and ridiculous spin befuddles lesser players and even keeps 4.5/5.0 types back on their heels.

The 16 would still be my main frame if it was a little easier on the arm and was just a bit more consistent on flatter shots. For example, I often get too much spin on put aways and that can give a fleet footed opponent a chance to get to a ball. It’s easier to blow the ball by people with less spin. The 19 is better at that than the 16.

So, the 19 isn’t better in every way, just different. And, it definitely isn’t the better frame for everyone. It depends on your game.
You are thinking way too much. Just use the frame for a while and enjoy it. It's an awesome racquet. Already wanting the 2019 before even trying this one is a little crazy..lol. The Pure Aeros are pretty similar to it won't be a dramatic change from one model to the next. I have owned multiple versions of the Aero pro and then the PA.
They are simply slightly different, not better one than the other, just different, for some the 16 will be the best and for some it will be the 19, that's why always there's people praising the new direction a line is taking and other people complaining the line took the wrong direction, it all depends on the player and you will not know how you feel about it until you play with the racquet, so go ahead and play and enjoy.

Besides, you are asking to a group of holics if it was a bad idea to purchase a frame, it's never a bad idea! And you got it at a good price, that's always a win and if you don't like it I'm sure you can sell it without problems within days, you get to try a new frame and can keep it if you want of sell it if you didn't like it, at the end of the day always is a good idea to try new frames and you can just keep it and play with it for fun whenever you want to.

i'm completely convinced that i should stick with my 2016 model and play for a while before making a decision to sell it

thank you
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
I prefer 2019 but if you like 2016 why do you care what 2 failed tennis players like :) or any of us plebs

ouch

i don't particularly like their attitude in some of their older videos, especially Konov, but i do think the level they demonstrate is quite high, Slabinsky in particular

wasn't Slabinsky a top 300 ranked player at one point?

pro tennis didn't work out but one can see he hits quite well
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
ouch

i don't particularly like their attitude in some of their older videos, especially Konov, but i do think the level they demonstrate is quite high, Slabinsky in particular

wasn't Slabinsky a top 300 ranked player at one point?

pro tennis didn't work out but one can see he hits quite well
My point was not to put them down but to increase your confidence. They are great players that are paid influencers. It’s their job. Do you think they will destroy new babolat product that paid them for review?
 

Anton

Legend
i was watching a review of the 2019 PA by Top Tennis Training on YouTube and basically their verdict is that the new Pure Aero has just as much power as the old one but superior feel, control and touch

makes me feel super bad for purchasing the 2016 version

only reason I bought it was because it was on a big sale

do you think I should try and sell my 2016 PA and go for the new one?

is there really that much of a difference in how they play?

Objective measurements don't lie - new ones are a bit flexier and are back to tighter string pattern in the middle.

I have both and I do find new ones more controlled. Not a huge difference but enough for me to now play with 2019 PA as a main.
 
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Deleted member 19728

Guest
I like the 2019 quite a bit, but I agree that it doesn't have quite the overhead punch for me as when I hit the 2013 side by side. I liked the 2016 freshly strung but string always seemed to bag out super fast (like two hitting sessions) with that massive open string pattern. The current Pure drive and last two pure aero string patterns just seem way too open for me. I really hate the FSI and wish they would go back to the old patterns on each of these frames but with the new materials. Not sure why they doubled down on wide open patterns. I don't notice that much more spin from them and I feel like I get better grip with the older raquets just using a 16L string instead of a 16 in these wide open modern babolats.
 
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Deleted member 756272

Guest
@Legend of Borg I also got a 2016 Pure Aero on sale just to see what the hype was about. Unbelievable spin! (I usually use Head PT/Prestiges)

I also can't wait until the 2019 Pure Aeros go on sale in a year to see what the hype is about. I'm willing to bet it has better control! (like everyone says).

;-)
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
i'm completely convinced that i should stick with my 2016 model and play for a while before making a decision to sell it

thank you

if you don't have issues with your arm, then why bother?

I can second that the amount of power + spin on the 2016 edition is just crazy.
and the only reason I think to change the frame, is because at times I do get pain in the wrist.
I guess nothing special, as I play with it for roughly 2 years now, but I am not willing to take the risk of playing another 3-5 years, as I would happily do without the occasional pain in the wrist
 

Rozzdawg

New User
I played with 2016 as my racket of choice for a long time and only left it to move to the 2019. I found the 2016 to be more raw- just tonnes of power and spin but a harsh feel. The 2019 brings a lot of the same but with a great deal more comfort and allowance for finness and feel too. Much more plush and comfortable than the 2016 I honestly didnt notice much of a power drop off if any, and switched from 1.25 gauge to 1.30 to compensate for that. Perfect for me now.

Overall I think the 2019 is superior in most ways, except cosmetics, I cant stand the look compared to the 2016 but looks dont really matter after all.
 
i was watching a review of the 2019 PA by Top Tennis Training on YouTube and basically their verdict is that the new Pure Aero has just as much power as the old one but superior feel, control and touch

makes me feel super bad for purchasing the 2016 version

only reason I bought it was because it was on a big sale

do you think I should try and sell my 2016 PA and go for the new one?

is there really that much of a difference in how they play?

I preferred the 2019 o the 2016, I used the Tour. The differences are not huge but I noticed enough to switch and my 2016 tours were pretty beat up.

2019:
more control
more feel/touch

2016:
more power
better color

caveat: flirting with and likely permanently switching to the Strike 16x19
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
I preferred the 2019 o the 2016, I used the Tour. The differences are not huge but I noticed enough to switch and my 2016 tours were pretty beat up.

2019:
more control
more feel/touch

2016:
more power
better color

caveat: flirting with and likely permanently switching to the Strike 16x19

I am actually thinking between trying Gravity Tour, PS (both 16x19 and 18x20) or trying to find grommets and match my old PA 2013
The PA 2013 certainly has less power than 2016, but it also never gave my pain in any joint, and also felt more natural for my backhand, I mean that after I purchased the 2016, I required some hours of training to adjust my BH to the new frame.
 

Jster

Professional
I preferred the 2019 o the 2016, I used the Tour. The differences are not huge but I noticed enough to switch and my 2016 tours were pretty beat up.

2019:
more control
more feel/touch

2016:
more power
better color

caveat: flirting with and likely permanently switching to the Strike 16x19


No possible.

2016 version has denser drilling pattern.
 

snr

Semi-Pro
The 2016 was my main frame for two years and I did demo the 2019. Since Babolat’s specs tend to vary so much, it’s probably not very accurate to draw conclusions from one frame (the demo I had was slightly over spec/ 2 grams on weight and a 1/2 pt. more HH).

Keeping that in mind, the 2019 I tried was pretty different from my 2016’s. On the positive side, it was more arm friendly, had more control, and was more consistent on serves, hitting a heavier ball with better placement. Negatives for me were that it was clubby, less maneuverable, and more difficult to generate RHS and thus spin.

The 2019 played more like a 2013 APD with weight added to the head. That’s probably a good thing for a lot of people, but the 2019 was a step in the wrong direction for my game. It lacked the maneuverability and whippiness that, combined with stability, made the first PA unique.

With the right string combo, I can get all the control I need with the 2016. I still pull it out often against advanced opponents that aren’t troubled by pace. The depth and ridiculous spin befuddles lesser players and even keeps 4.5/5.0 types back on their heels.

The 16 would still be my main frame if it was a little easier on the arm and was just a bit more consistent on flatter shots. For example, I often get too much spin on put aways and that can give a fleet footed opponent a chance to get to a ball. It’s easier to blow the ball by people with less spin. The 19 is better at that than the 16.

So, the 19 isn’t better in every way, just different. And, it definitely isn’t the better frame for everyone. It depends on your game.

Out of curiosity, what did you switch to? Your description of keeping folks back with heavy balls is typical of the Aero series in the hands of as killed player but wondering if you were ever to find something similar elsewhere.
 
I am actually thinking between trying Gravity Tour, PS (both 16x19 and 18x20) or trying to find grommets and match my old PA 2013
The PA 2013 certainly has less power than 2016, but it also never gave my pain in any joint, and also felt more natural for my backhand, I mean that after I purchased the 2016, I required some hours of training to adjust my BH to the new frame.

I liked the 2013 more than the 2016.
I liked the 2019 more than the 2013... but mostly because it had a tour model. Guessing a 2013 tour would have been my favorite.
 
String pattern and drilling pattern are 2 different things

yes.
-Aero and Drive have 16x19 string patterns (same)
-Aero and drive have different drill patterns

My understanding is the 2016 and 2019 aero have the same string pattern AND the same drill pattern.
The 2016 short side stringing to 2019 either side didnt change the drill pattern?
Or if it did slightly to fix the stringing side issue (congrats, you are correct and much smart than me :) ) : it didn't change the spacing of the strings, which is what I care most about and relevant to the conversation of comparing the 2 rackets and how they perform.
 

Jster

Professional
no. they have different drilling pattern . JUST LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE SQUARES ON THE STRINGBED WILL DO.
 

pfrischmann

Professional
FWIW, I find serving and volleying better with the lime but touch and depth control is better with the 2019. At this point, with such an established frame, you aren't going to gain much without losing something. It's about tradeoffs. I have every iteration of the Aero drives/pure aero and it's always been that way. The stability and feel on the 2005 is unmatched but it's harder to use than the others and a little tougher on the arm. The 2013 is the easiest to use but doesn't hit as heavy a ball as the ones before and after it. The 2016 lime has tons of power and spin but not as much control or feel etc..
 
no. they have different drilling pattern . JUST LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE SQUARES ON THE STRINGBED WILL DO.

that is one strategy, but not terribly scientific or exact (or in this case correct).

I contacted the Babolat office, the product manager said the switch from AeroproDrive (or what I call 2013 aero) to Pure Aero (2016 and 2019 aero) is when they had a major change to the drill pattern. He said there was not a change in drill pattern or spacing between strings from 2016 to 2019.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
first impressions @Power Player

1). i shoulda went with the Tour version

this one lacks so much heft! i'm gonna have to get a lot of tungsten tape out and start sticking it on

it's like a feather and just lacks the plowthrough of my Speed Pro 360


2). how the heck do you put away short balls when almost every flat stroke just sprays out? i'm guessing long swings and lots of brushing motion will help but putting away short balls is tougher

honestly after this playthrough, I'm ready to take some pictures, get it up on Eb@y and be over with it

however, I'm gonna give it at least 3-4 more playthroughs to be fair to the racket, I can't chuck it away after one hitting session


overall positives, super nice bite on serves especially kickers, insane short topspin crosscourts (very Rafa like feeling swinging at full speed and having the ball dip into the court)


overall negatives, has an element of unpredictability and moments of instability, lacks heft and plowthrough, flat shots feel very difficult to pull off
 

Jster

Professional
that is one strategy, but not terribly scientific or exact (or in this case correct).

I contacted the Babolat office, the product manager said the switch from AeroproDrive (or what I call 2013 aero) to Pure Aero (2016 and 2019 aero) is when they had a major change to the drill pattern. He said there was not a change in drill pattern or spacing between strings from 2016 to 2019.

I will take his word.
 
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