uk_skippy
Hall of Fame
There's very little 'prostock' string. Most of it is the same as retail. There maybe a few pros using string that is discontinued to the retail market, but it'll still be branded as such as Luxilon M2 or Supersense.
Theory: thicker strings better for spin
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There's very little 'prostock' string. Most of it is the same as retail. There maybe a few pros using string that is discontinued to the retail market, but it'll still be branded as such as Luxilon M2 or Supersense.
silentkman
Hall of Fame
ironically I did that and the spin was less. I saw an interview with federer and I'm using his setup. he only uses 10, near the top. I played tonight and I felt I had more spin.
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Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Weird. You gut more spin with 10 but less with a whole pack? Where these the babalots?
silentkman
Hall of Fame
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
I think this is mostly true, but it is more nuanced:
Given that string savers reduce string movement then it's fair to assume that they do reduce the level spin you can achieve.
If you have gut/ poly that will be true. But with full gut? Its not true and is the opposite of what happens.
silentkman
Hall of Fame
The bottom line is that I like the federer pattern. I'm getting more spin on the ball and more control.
Happi
Hall of Fame
The simples way is to change your swingpath, strings don’t matter that much when it comes to spin production.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
String your stick with full kevlar at 86lbs and tell me strings don't matter much...
False. If that were the case pros would be using full bed gut.
Happi
Hall of Fame
Pros use poly for control not for spin production.
Happi
Hall of Fame
No thank’s I like my arm too much
I believe the term Federer uses is ‘spin control’
Happi
Hall of Fame
was that marketing ? Something like this string has amazing power, spin, feel and control
False: Poly can increase control AND spin. Depends on which poly, and if it's used in the mains or crosses.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
sooo many glass elbows on this site. It would just take a few hits to see how right I am and that strings can make a big difference in spin.
Please stop being logical and practical. This path will lead to being banned.
Happi
Hall of Fame
Sure, but like I said earlier spin is mainly a matter of technique (swingpath), strings dont matter that much. If you want to believe you can buy spin, be my guest.
Happi
Hall of Fame
I am sure that Kevlar with stiffness rating of 500+ strung at 86lbs, will be very arm friendly.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
To be clear, when I say try full kevlar at 86lbs I am saying that that stringbed will KILL spin...no matter your technique. Not that one can "buy spin" necessarily.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
It probably wont be for most of the glass elbows here, but it will produce way less spin showing that strings do indeed make a difference.
Happi
Hall of Fame
Happi
Hall of Fame
Did you ever had a tennis related injury?
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
well you could take my word for it...I am sure it would kill a lot of arms too
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Yes of course. TE and GE. I took steps so that I can play with any string and tension and never get TE or GE again from playing tennis. Though the injuries were from a week of spray painting combined with tennis. Its doubtful I would have had any issues just from tennis.
Happi
Hall of Fame
So why all this “glass elbow” when you know how painfull an elbow injury can be, and how much it means for players who love the game, and not being able to play for an extended period.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Call them like I see them. As I mentioned it was unlikely that tennis would be the culprit. And as I mentioned I can play with anything now. I did some research and know how not to get te.
And most of my tennis buddies are still getting TE with noodles and soft strings. I assume that while acknowledging that technique has a major impact on spin it also has a major impact on TE. Lots of "what string" posts but few "what technique" posts, which IMHO is where fixing TE begins.
Happi
Hall of Fame
I would have thought better of a gentleman like you mr. Shroud.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Hmmm. When is being honest not gentlemanly?
Slowtwitcher
Legend
I think your CWTA forehand protects the elbow from TE.
Happi
Hall of Fame
If you cant tell the difference, you have a long way to go.
"Mainly"
"That much"
How's life in Subjective-ville? Why do you have such a hard time saying, "to some degree, strings can help with spin". What's so difficult about that? We know that scientifically is true. Why the need to qualify with "mainly" and "that much". Suck it up and just be honest for one second.
Happi
Hall of Fame
False, life is objective.
to we: 2% is you answer
Hope you understand irony in objective-ville
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
I guess I do. Only on TT are gentlemen not honest.
Hmm. You're one of those "science when it's convenient" people. Good to know. Thanks.False, life is objective.
to we: 2% is you answer
Hope you understand irony in objective-ville
Funbun
Professional
I think I felt this anecdotally today; was searching for a reason for this.
Had two nearly identical racquets (within 3 SW points and same balance), same starting tension, same string but different gauge, and I felt the thicker gauge gave me a significantly livelier, spinnier ball in general. Same crosscourt drill, just switched racquets midway through because I thought the string was starting to feel dead(?) I couldn't put my finger on what was happening but I couldn't get the ball action I was usually getting. The sound was also different, more boomy/bass-like.
Wondering if anyone has felt this way, especially those who hit pretty hard in general.
Either that or I'm genuinely consumed by confirmation bias lmao
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
You're missing a key factor that higher tension strings will snapback quicker potentially giving much more spin at same racquet speed
Karma Tennis
Legend
In percentage terms, how much extra spin potential do you think is provided by string snap-back?
Happi
Hall of Fame
If you want more spin, its more beneficial to work on your your technique than to change strings.
leejayh
Rookie
My 2 cents - the one thing that no one can add to these conversations is what kind of spin, at what kind of ball speed. I was watching a 12 year old and under USTA tournament final yesterday and the two players hit with a ton of spin due to the swing style they have. Very good net clearance, (often 3-5 feet over the net) with that dipping path at the end. Really impressive.
That said, those balls had no court through power. Meaning, the two kids could literally run down every ball and the rallies would last forever. Neither could flatten the ball and hit through the court to put away the point.
Pro's hit heavy, with amazing spin. That is both swingweight and technique.
That said, those balls had no court through power. Meaning, the two kids could literally run down every ball and the rallies would last forever. Neither could flatten the ball and hit through the court to put away the point.
Pro's hit heavy, with amazing spin. That is both swingweight and technique.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Only if the string is already imparting spin properly. My experience with 4G for example is that at 35 degrees 50 lbs it had amazing snapback imparting topspin on the ball perfectly even in service box warmup with super low racquet speed. At 100 degrees 50 lbs im feeling pretty much none of that snapback effect and theres nothing you can do about it doesnt matter what technique or racquet speed. Its just physics. And apparently thats because strings take longer to rebound in snapback when it gets warmer
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
I'd say at least 50% in my experience with 4G at 35 degrees vs 100 same tension. See previous post. So sooooo much unbelievably better in the 35
Karma Tennis
Legend
So in your experience you feel that optimum snapback generates an additional 500 RPMs for every 1000 RPMs you generate with your stroke technique.
That seems to conflict with a lot of the research which suggest snap back typically delivers between 5% to 15% of additional RPMs - which is significant if the player can generate 2500 RPMs or more with their stroke technique. But how many players (other than elite level ones) can actually generate that many RPMs?
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Not sure how much, if its 50% I don't think it keeps scaling up linearly like that, diminishing returns with faster strokes. But maybe it is much less than it feels like I cant measure anything. What I know for sure is it gives vastly better control and consistency. I play him all the time I usually struggle, that day was the only time ive ever felt this strong snapback feeling and I effortlessly controlled every point.
What I can say without doubt is in service box warmup with that snapback a faster windshield wiper would just apply more spin to the ball and stay in service box with great depth control. Now without it doing that would just result in the ball launching way too far instead of applying the spin to keep it in the service box. So thats what I can guarantee you instead of giving mathematically precise estimations. I dont see why that wouldnt be 50% more spin when that keeps it in service box instead of lsunching twice as far or more without the feeling of imparting a lot of spin
Happi
Hall of Fame
Good players can create massive spin even with a locked string bed in a 18x20 pattern. My personal take and experience is that strings does not matter that much when it comes to spin, it all about technique. I do find myself getting more spin with shaped polys but I somehow also change my technique a little bit with shaped poly and try to hit more spin. Sometimes it can be difficult to figure out if it is me changing my stroke or the strings. My estimate would be max 5-10% + in spin with shaped poly and optimum snapback. But that is a lot too.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
You probably haven't experienced what I've experienced, I've only experienced it once or twice myself. The 50 lb 4G in 35 degrees the way it spun the ball and the strong feeling of snapback ive never felt before its amazing. Vast majority of the time you don't get that at all with string setups, or at least not at the tensions Ive tried
Happi
Hall of Fame
I remembered one hot summer day when I tried BB Alu for the first time, pure magic - I felt I could hit every spot on the court with power and massive spin - the sound from the string bed was addictive too. Next evening when it was cool, magic was gone, could be the temperature or the string got dead or the tension drop or it could just be me. However that day with fresh strung Alu - wow - unfortunately I had to abandon poly shortly after due to GE. There are some hot days coming up, and I feel like stringing up a racquet with Alu again.
S
Slicehand
Guest
My experience is that thiner gauges produce more spin clearly, even tough i use 1.30 because i prefer its control and durability for my frame, and i still can produce good spin
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Yea I think its a matter of getting the ideal tension to temperature ratio to achieve the great effect. I'm about to try increasing the tension on 4G a lot from 50 since its now 100 instead of 35 degrees to see if the snapback feeling comes back. I think it just needs the tension increased to get back to the same tension to temp ratio and then it should work
