4 knots on my racket? Any idea?

[BabolatFan]

I recently had my aeropro drive strung @ 61 lbs w/ luxilon big banger alu 16. The funny thing is that when I picked it up, I found 4 knots on each corner of the stringbed. Normally there should be only 2 knots? The shop has a few stringers and haven't had the chance to find out who did my racket. The tension feels right though. Any ideas about the knots? You think the string might have broken during stringing and the string used a shortcut method to finish it?

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AeroPro Drive Standard 4 1/4
Luxilon big banger ALU 16 @ 61 lbs
Gamma pro-wrap overgrip

 

[thejackal]

4 knots in all? That's fine and it means the stringer used the 2 peice method. More than that and there's a problem.

 

[TennsDog]

Yeah, a lot of stringers, especially knowledgeable ones, like to use two-piece stringing, even when not doing a hybrid, because it makes it easier to not have to pull so much string through each time. This is a necessary procedure when using a hybrid, but many stringers prefer it anyway, including myself.

 

[rfederer32291]

Yeah, a lot of stringers, especially knowledgeable ones, like to use two-piece stringing, even when not doing a hybrid, because it makes it easier to not have to pull so much string through each time. This is a necessary procedure when using a hybrid, but many stringers prefer it anyway, including myself.

same here, its so much easier. two piece is the way real stringers string. and most of the time i hybrid anyway.

 

[Cfidave]

Two piece stringing = two main string tie off knots, one cross string starting knot, and one cross string tie off ( ending) knot. A total of four knots. One piece stringing would have two knots, one mainstring and one cross string tie off knot.

 

[Bryan Aldridge]

With this racquet here is what most stringers (from novice to experienced) will do in order (assuming non-hybrid stringing):

1. String one piece (crosses throat to head)
2. String two piece (crosses Head to throat)
3. String one piece (ATW or similar method that results in crosses being strung from Head to throat).

.. And here is the reason: Most people just learning will string everything one piece -- I dont know if they're afraid of Knots or what. Like it or not I think the majority of people who string in pro-shops, sports stores (*****, Sports authority, omega) don't really want to string, but have to, so they arent educated / don't care about the proper way to string different racquets. Therefore they will learn one method and assume its okay for all racquets. Some racquet warrenties are void if the stringer strings the crosses from the throat to head (yonex, head).. Some are not (dunlop, wilson).. In general better safe than sorry and string head to throat on crosses.

The two piece method is perfectly fine. In this method the crosses are strung from the head to throat. Some more experienced /technical stringers will chose to string one piece using a ATW or modified version of it to string the crosses from Head to Throat will still using one piece stringing (two knots). As far as time is concerned.. wel theres a trade off. For One piece around the world, you have to tie less knots but have more string to pull through. With two piece theres less string to pull through but more knots.

 

[David Pavlich]

Yeah, a lot of stringers, especially knowledgeable ones, like to use two-piece stringing, even when not doing a hybrid, because it makes it easier to not have to pull so much string through each time. This is a necessary procedure when using a hybrid, but many stringers prefer it anyway, including myself.

I guess I need to go back to stringing school.

David

 

[A Defenseless Creature]

I guess I need to go back to stringing school.

Me too!

 

[diredesire]

I guess I need to go back to stringing school.

David

ditto.

 

[DozJr7]

2 piece method also puts less stress on the frame

 

[snoflewis]

another pro for 2 piece stringing is when your main or cross breaks, you only have to string that part. well..at least for crosses (when hybrid-ing poly mains w/ synthetic crosses) it's cheaper

 

[nViATi]

another pro for 2 piece stringing is when your main or cross breaks, you only have to string that part. well..at least for crosses (when hybrid-ing poly mains w/ synthetic crosses) it's cheaper

that isn't a bright idea

 

[rfederer32291]

agree with nviati

 

[BabolatFan]

Thejackal, thx! only 4 knots and it's been used for about 5 hours of groundies. I'll choose my stringer carefully next time.

 

[BabolatFan]

Thx every1! Props to all the good stringers who know their stuff down to a science. Wow!

 

[tedmeister]

same here, its so much easier. two piece is the way real stringers string. and most of the time i hybrid anyway.

I hope my previous clients don't read this thread, see only two knots on their Puredrive mps and give me grief for doing ATW on their frames.

Looks like I also need to go back to stringing school :mrgreen: . With any luck, I just might become a real stringer or one of those "especially knowledgeable ones" that Tennsdog alludes to.

 

[rfederer32291]

I hope my previous clients don't read this thread, see only two knots on their Puredrive mps and give me grief for doing ATW on their frames.

Looks like I also need to go back to stringing school :mrgreen: . With any luck, I just might become a real stringer or one of those "especially knowledgeable ones" that Tennsdog alludes to.

lol, i mean its kind of a personal preference as well.

 

[Sixpointone]

As a quick FYI, as eluded to previously in this thread, number of knots alone is not enough information to gauge if a Stringer is, or is not good.

I've seen many excellent 1 piece (2 knots) and 2 piece (4 knots) String jobs.

When I recently had some Racquets Strung by **** Tennis it was with 1 piece (2 knots).

 

[rfederer32291]

it wasnt a hybrid tho, and most people nowadays are using hybrids, so you have to do 2 piecing

 

[Sixpointone]

RFederer32291,

Of course one can only string a Hybrid with 2 pieces, it is a given. That is because there are 2 pieces, from the start, to begin with.

What this thread is about, if given an option, is 1 piece or 2 piece better.

By its very nature, a Hybrid did not afford someone that choice. However, if the same String and Gauge are used throughout, there is that option. Hence this discussion.

So, given that latter option, I stand 100% what I said before which was...

"As a quick FYI, as eluded to previously in this thread, number of knots alone is not enough information to gauge if a Stringer is, or is not good.

I've seen many excellent 1 piece (2 knots) and 2 piece (4 knots) String jobs.

When I recently had some Racquets Strung by **** Tennis it was with 1 piece (2 knots)."

Thanks,
John

 

[TennsDog]

I wasn't saying that all experienced or knowledgeable stringers use two-piece, I was saying that new stringers won't typically use two-piece stringing unless they were taught that way or they are doing a hyrbid. Many good stringers use one-piece, I know that, but many choose two-piece. Sorry if I implied something I didn't mean to. It is largely a preference thing and what the stringer is comfortable doing. I used to use one-piece, but then I tried two-piece and found it easier so I switched. It doesn't mean anything either way.

 

[a529612]

My stringer said 2 piece has more room for tension loss since there are 4 knots and recommends me to do 1 piece. Is this BS so he can do less work on my frame?

 

[rfederer32291]

My stringer said 2 piece has more room for tension loss since there are 4 knots and recommends me to do 1 piece. Is this BS so he can do less work on my frame?

i thought that there was more tension loss with 1 piece stringing!??!

 

[TennsDog]

Since all of the tension loss is with the last strings next to the frame, I doubt if either method would create a noticeable difference in tension. If you hit the ball that close to the frame regularly, then that small tension difference won't make a difference anyway.

 

[BabolatFan]

Actually it turned out that the 4 tie-off knot method is no different in tension. What really hasn't been answered is why my stringer chose to do it this way. I forgot to ask when I picked it up. Oh well it's just fine. Luxilon BB alu 16 power generates good spin and control on my babolat ADP. But I still prefer 2 tie-off knots...

 

[tedmeister]

What really hasn't been answered is why my stringer chose to do it this way. I forgot to ask when I picked it up.

Just because it is easier. No stringer enjoys wrestling with the long side of BB alu. Doing the two extra knots is nothing compared to pulling all that wiry string.

At least you can sleep soundly knowing the Xs were done top to bottom. Heaven forbid if they did 2 piece but did it the other way around. With the cosmetically pleasing 1 piece, you will be left wondering whether they really did an ATW. It takes more than a few minutes to figure this out if you don't string racquets and/ or familiar with the patterns.

 

[tennisguy2121]

I have only been stringing for about 6 or 7 months at a shop, but I feel I have learned from one of the best in stringing. If there is a difference in tension loss from 1 pc. or 2 pc. it isnt much, and i doubt any of us would realize it if a little tension was in fact lost. And whether you do a one piece or two piece on a racquet has nothing to do with how good of a stringer you are, whether you are good or not is knowing which frames to do a one piece, and which to do a 2 piece. And I dont understand how a 2 piece string job would cause more stress on a frame than a one piece, unless the stringer starts at the throat on the crosses or something. And is there an actual statistic saying that most people use hybrids, or is it that most professional players use hybrids, becuause alot of people that come into the shop where i work, do not know what a hybrid string job is, the ones who did usually simply heard about it on this site. If someone has been taught how, it takes about 10 seconds to find out if the frame should have a one piece or two piece string job. Whether a 1 piece or 2 piece is better is pointless, because there is no right answer, it depends on the frame.

 

[TheRed]

Actually it turned out that the 4 tie-off knot method is no different in tension. What really hasn't been answered is why my stringer chose to do it this way. I forgot to ask when I picked it up. Oh well it's just fine. Luxilon BB alu 16 power generates good spin and control on my babolat ADP. But I still prefer 2 tie-off knots...

If you prefer 2 knots, then let the stringer know. As you've probably gleaned from this thread, there is no difference in quality or playability between the two methods. Speaking for myself, I sometimes string one piece and other times 2 piece simply because I feel like it. No real explanation and I've been stringing for 15 years. generally however, I string 2 piece because it helps avoid stringing from bottom up. Around the world can be a bit of a pain sometimes.