A need a machine for not one penny more than £300 ($550)

[Matthewfirth]

I'm needing a good stringing machine deliverd to my door for £300 ($550) or less. I have been told that a expensive dropweight/lockout is better than a cheap electric machine and there are some good drop weight/lockout machines in my price range;
Pros Pro Challange
Pros Pro 6000
Pocket Pro
Mutual Power Alpine 2000
Eagnas 300
Eagnas Flex 920
Eagnas Flex 94
Mutual Power Alpine 6000
Mutual Power Alpine 4000
Eagnas Hawk 800
Eagnas Smart 909
Eagnas 700
Mutual Power Hercules 630
Eagnas Beta
Silent Partner e.Stringer
Eagnas Hyper 220E
Silent Partner e.Stringer SC
Eagnas Pro 845
Silent Partner e.Stringer CL
Eagnas Hawk 10
ATS Super Stringer II
Klippermate
Gamma X-2
Eagnas Hawk 20
ATS Traveler
Eagnas GE II
Eagnas Hawk 40
Eagnas Hawk 80
Eagnas Flex 740
Czech Sports CT100
Gamma X-6
MS 700
Laserfibre MS200 ECO
Alpha Pioneer DC
Tyger StringEco-45
Stringway M50

As you can see that is a BIG list and there are even more availble.
I like the look off the Spring Tension Machines which come on stands.

Here are some of the websites:
http://www.mutualpower.net/smachines.htm
http://www.eagnas.com/lilylee/uprightm.html

Eagnas seem to be the cheapest but with eagnas you never know what's going to hit you, well so i'm told. So folks the choice is yours what machine do you reccommend me to get?

If you want to large amounts of details or contact me direct my email is:
star.price@btinternet.com

Matthew

 

[theace21]

Matthew,
First congradulations on setting a budget and looking at all the options. I totally agree that a cheap electronic machine should be avoided. Many on this board have bought the Eagnas 940 recently. Might want to do a search and see what they say. Eagans makes me nervous when they sell 78 different models. Others are happy with them.

Good luck.

 

[barry]

Matthew,
First congradulations on setting a budget and looking at all the options. I totally agree that a cheap electronic machine should be avoided. Many on this board have bought the Eagnas 940 recently. Might want to do a search and see what they say. Eagans makes me nervous when they sell 78 different models. Others are happy with them.

Good luck.

They make you nervous? Have you ever bought anything from Eagnas? I have an they were excellent!

 

[Jeff488]

Matthew,
I have a Laserfibre and love it. LF is made by Stringway in Europe(Holland)and have their own website.
I think you may be able to upgrade the ECO to the fixed clamps and still stay in budget, but even if not, it's a great high quality machine.
Go for it.

 

[theace21]

They make you nervous? Have you ever bought anything from Eagnas? I have an they were excellent!

A company that markets 78 different machines makes me nervous. What type of quality control and inventory can be maintained when you advertise 78 different models? How many do Alpha, Gamma, Prince market? Exactly, you call to order a model, and we don't have that one in stock, but this one is just as good. I did state that many have bought the 940, which appears to be a very successful machine for Eagnas.

Glad your happy with yours, but I have read horror stories on this board. Budget wise great machine. If you have a larger budget go with Gamma,Alpha,Prince - huge budget Babolat.


Barry, Perhaps the company struggled with growth, quality control, importing, distrubution - who knows. Within the past 6 months it seems like I have read more positive than negative.

Glad you are happy - did you ever add the wise head...

 

[barry]

A company that markets 78 different machines makes me nervous. What type of quality control and inventory can be maintained when you advertise 78 different models? How many do Alpha, Gamma, Prince market? Exactly, you call to order a model, and we don't have that one in stock, but this one is just as good. I did state that many have bought the 940, which appears to be a very successful machine for Eagnas.

Glad your happy with yours, but I have read horror stories on this board. Budget wise great machine. If you have a larger budget go with Gamma,Alpha,Prince - huge budget Babolat.


Barry, Perhaps the company struggled with growth, quality control, importing, distrubution - who knows. Within the past 6 months it seems like I have read more positive than negative.

Glad you are happy - did you ever add the wise head...

Actually if you go through their product line, most of the machines use the same parts, just different configurations. What vary are clamps, tensioner, and base. If you multiply all the combinations, you come out with about 78 different ways to configure their machines. I think they are well thought out designed machines. The reason cost are low is because they buy a large number of the same parts lets say a base, and use it among the different configurations (table top, drop weights, crank, and electric machines). What I like is the fact you can pick what you want and configure it. I like the 940 but want to have spring assisted clamps, the combo 910 accommodates. Same parts, different clamps. I also like the 940 but if I wanted a drop weight table top version, then the 740 meets the bill. Or the 865 for the electric version of the combo 910. Eagnas provides good equipment at a reasonable price. Most of the other suppliers have 2 or 3 machines. Just depends what market you serve. Gamma is second, it has about 16 different machines to choose from.
Someday soon, I hope we get to an open architecture for machine, and then we can pick and choose from all the vendors. Right now it is pretty much proprietary configurations.

Interesting how many on the board "have Read" but have not experienced yet feel the necessity to comment on something they have never bought or used.

I have also read horror stories about LF and Alpha machines. Since I have no experience with LF, they could come from the Alpha salesman, who knows. I can comment on the Alpha, since I worked an issue with two. Very good machine, just not twice as good as an Eagnas!

 

[Audiodude]

Here we go again. I have indeed heard a couple of Laserfibre horror stories. All of them related to shipping. I can't recall a single horror story related to the actual machines. I do recall reading about a problem with I believe the Alpha Apex. I can't recall exactly what the problem was, but I remember reading something about it. Characterizing the posts as horror stories is in my opinion exagerating the truth. I have read more than a few posts regarding issues with the Eagnas distributor Maxline and the actual Eagnas machines. Some having to do with customer service, usually involving Victor and his less than stellar handling of customers. Some having to do with build quality issues. And yes, I briefly owned an Eagnas machine, and am speaking firsthand. Comparing the build quality of Eagnas machines with the build quality of Gamma (I'll stick to what I currently own to avoid petty arguments) is much like comparing the build quality of a Yugo to the build quality of a Honda. Yes, they'll both get you from point A to point B (Maybe). But the quality of the trip will differ slightly. I actually do believe that Eagnas is providing a valuable service by providing machines that offer a lot of features for the money. Denying the real differences in build quality between Eagnas and it's more expensive competitors is to deny the obvious, though.

 

[Jeff488]

like comparing the build quality of a Yugo to the build quality of a Honda. Yes, they'll both get you from point A to point B (Maybe). But the quality of the trip will differ slightly. I actually do believe that Eagnas is providing a valuable service by providing machines that offer a lot of features for the money. Denying the real differences in build quality between Eagnas and it's more expensive competitors is to deny the obvious, though.

Well said, a-dude.
I too, have owned an Eagnas (entry level) and when I got my LF I realized how lacking in quality, workmanship, and design the Eagnas was. I gave it away because I couldn't in good conscience take money for it. The best thing, and perhaps only good thing, about it were the clamps.

You are also correct in saying that the issues with LF involved shipping and not the machine. I was one of those "stories" and had to wait several months for delivery. However, Tim did very well by me in compensation for the inconvenience! Bottom line is that I am glad I waited for it.

 

[theace21]

Barry let us know when you get the 910 or 940. Give us a full review. Hope it works out for you.

Audiodude - Great comparision. The Yugo gets in the same place as the Honda, but for a lot less. I still bought the Honda. I wanted the Lexus, but I didn't want spend the extra money. The Lexus rides alot better than the Honda, but you pay for it.

I am on my second Ektelon. Bought first one in 78, bought the Model H early 90's. Had a drop weight before that BR-3. I have strung easily over 1000 rackets on those machines (not the BR-3). They are solid work horses and the basic model is still in production, and copied by many. Someday I might get a 6004 or Apex - I already have the Wise Head. I have 3 boys who all play 15,15,18, plus the wife, plus me.

Nobody can convince me that a 400 machine is built the same as a 1200 machine. More power to Eagnas for making a low, affordable machine...but they can't compare to a stringing machine costing 3 times as much.

You always get what you pay for. There are always companies that under cut the competition. Doesn't mean the cheapest is going to be adequete for the picky shopper....Check the resale for used machines, they will give you idea on how the tennis community views different stringers. My 15 year old Model H Ektelon - probably sells for more than a new Eagnas...

 

[barry]

Here we go again. I have indeed heard a couple of Laserfibre horror stories. All of them related to shipping. I can't recall a single horror story related to the actual machines. I do recall reading about a problem with I believe the Alpha Apex. I can't recall exactly what the problem was, but I remember reading something about it. Characterizing the posts as horror stories is in my opinion exagerating the truth. I have read more than a few posts regarding issues with the Eagnas distributor Maxline and the actual Eagnas machines. Some having to do with customer service, usually involving Victor and his less than stellar handling of customers. Some having to do with build quality issues. And yes, I briefly owned an Eagnas machine, and am speaking firsthand. Comparing the build quality of Eagnas machines with the build quality of Gamma (I'll stick to what I currently own to avoid petty arguments) is much like comparing the build quality of a Yugo to the build quality of a Honda. Yes, they'll both get you from point A to point B (Maybe). But the quality of the trip will differ slightly. I actually do believe that Eagnas is providing a valuable service by providing machines that offer a lot of features for the money. Denying the real differences in build quality between Eagnas and it's more expensive competitors is to deny the obvious, though.

Interesting I have owned both Eagnas and Gamma machines. I see no difference between the two for as "build quality". The Gamma machine had a better paint job, but the clamps on my Eagnas are better. The mounting system on the Eagnas is better, and the Eagnas weighs a lot more than the Gamma.
When you refer to build quality, what do you mean? To me there is 3 important parts to a stinging machine.
1. Mounting system
2. Tension head
3. Clamps

Just because you pay more, does not mean you are getting a better machine. I think this post was about what is the best machine for under $500, and I say once again it is the Eagnas 940.
If money were not an object, everyone would buy Babolat Star machines; after all they are only $2000 more. Might be overkill for many home users.

I have strung over 450 rackets with my 5 year old Eagnas machine; it still works as well as the day I purchased it. In my opinion many the complaints about Eagnas is from people who have never owned or used their products.

Did you find out what company produces the Gamma machine?

 

[Matthewfirth]

Thanks for the replies. I might be looking at getting the Eagnas 940 but i was wondering if anyone has a Mutual Power Alpine 2000 and can they tell me how well the machines are built and how good as a company they are.

Thanks
Matthew

 

[Gaines Hillix]

Thanks for the replies. I might be looking at getting the Eagnas 940 but i was wondering if anyone has a Mutual Power Alpine 2000 and can they tell me how well the machines are built and how good as a company they are.

Thanks
Matthew

This is a newer company. I understand they are made by a company called X-Spider which was formed by former Eagnas employees. Their customer service in the US seems to be o.k. At least I don't recall seeing any negative posts on here or much feedback. You might want to try searching on here and also look at the Stirng Forum website. They have machine reviews on there. Their machines seem to be older techology. Quite a few of them use glide bars for the fixed clamps. I think most stringers would much prefer dual action swivel clamps.

 

[Matthewfirth]

Ok well out of the eagnas machines there is a tonne:


1. Combo 900Le6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $549.00
2. Combo 910 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $595.00
3. Beta 6-point mounting, 6 fixed clamps $399.00
4. EAG-300 2-point mounting, 6 fixed clamps $339.00
5. EAG-350 6-point mounting, 6 fixed clamps $399.00
6. EAG-700 4-point mounting, 6 fixed clamps $399.00
7. EAG-700Le 4-point mounting, 6 fixed clamps $359.00
8. EAG-860 6-point mounting, 6 fixed clamps $399.00
9. Flash 920 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $539.00
10. Flash 925 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $579.00
11. Flash 930 6-point mounting, 4 swivel clamps $789.00
12. Flash 960 6-point mounting, 4 swivel clamps $689.00
13. Flash 965 6-point mounting, 4 swivel clamps $599.00
14. Flex 920 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $349.00
15. Flex 940 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $399.00
16. GA III 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $529.00
17. Hawk 800 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $495.00
18. Hyper 320 2-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps with 4 extra supports(six-point inside mounting system) $399.00
19. Hyper 480 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $549.00
20. Smart 909 6-point mounting, 4 swivel clamps $695.00
21. Star J312 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $755.00 Special
22. EAG-90 II 6-point mounting, 2 swivel clamps $950.00

Here is apic:

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It seems good for only:
£216.50 $399
Mind you, you have to add postage to the uk!
That leaves me with £83.50 $153.908 left to spend on postage. I'll email Eagnas and ask about the postage.

 

[Matthewfirth]

for a flex 920 it is $190 shipping to me...i think i may just get a table top machine which i can buy the stand in the uk saving me postage. Any ideas?

Matthew

 

[Gaines Hillix]

for a flex 920 it is $190 shipping to me...i think i may just get a table top machine which i can buy the stand in the uk saving me postage. Any ideas?

Matthew

You might want to contact the European Racquet Stringer's Assoc.(ERSA) and see if they have a recommendation for a machine that you can purchase and get service for in the UK. You also might try Ray Gooden at RSS in Berkshire;

tele: 01635 827880

http://www.rssrac.co.uk/About_Us.html

 

[Mike Cottrill]

Interesting I have owned both Eagnas and Gamma machines."

Barry,
What Gamma machine did/do you own?
Thanks
mike

 

[Matthewfirth]

Gaines Hillix:
Thanks for the advice.

 

[barry]

theace21 Comments

"Nobody can convince me that a 400 machine is built the same as a 1200 machine. More power to Eagnas for making a low, affordable machine...but they can't compare to a stringing machine costing 3 times as much. "

Same thing the Babolat Star users say about the Prince Neos. No one can get a decent machine for under $3000. As thefossman said, only thing important about a tennis stringing machine is you must be able to produce a consistent stringing every time. The rest is nonsense, who cares about brand name, pretty paint jobs, and all the other hype.
When I was in Germany, the same discussion was made when comparing Toyota with Mercedes and how no one could not produce a reliable car for 3 times less money. The Toyota came out on top and since has become the worlds number 1 car.

 

[barry]

Barry,
What Gamma machine did/do you own?
Thanks
mike

I do not have the model number or any pictures. Just remember it was a drop weight machine with flying clamps. Purchased in the mid 90's. The one I owned did not have a rotational gripper, strange since today all Gamma machines have them. It cost around $300 and was a tabletop. Only change I made was adding 2 oversized flying clamps from ATS, and I did purchase the machine from ATS.
It could have been an old AG machine, not real sure. But I strung a ton of rackets on it, never failed, and was portable about (50 pounds). I remember the reason I bought a new one was for fixed clamps and a ratchet linear gripper.

 

[Audiodude]

theace21 Comments

"Nobody can convince me that a 400 machine is built the same as a 1200 machine. More power to Eagnas for making a low, affordable machine...but they can't compare to a stringing machine costing 3 times as much. "

Same thing the Babolat Star users say about the Prince Neos. No one can get a decent machine for under $3000. As thefossman said, only thing important about a tennis stringing machine is you must be able to produce a consistent stringing every time. The rest is nonsense, who cares about brand name, pretty paint jobs, and all the other hype.
When I was in Germany, the same discussion was made when comparing Toyota with Mercedes and how no one could not produce a reliable car for 3 times less money. The Toyota came out on top and since has become the worlds number 1 car.

And yet, Toyota sells more than just Corollas. Some people are willing to pay well over $60,000 for a Toyota, (aka, Lexus) when they could obviously buy a Corolla, or Echo, even. The reality is that even a base model Kia would prove to be reliable transportation for most anyone. Just because you don't find value in products built to a higher level doesn't mean everyone else agrees with you. I'm willing to bet that You or I could get pretty darn consistent results with an ATS SSII or a Klippermate. Certainly good enough results for my level of play. I just happen to enjoy using a higher quality machine with higher quality components and I'm willing to pay the difference to do so.

 

[barry]

And yet, Toyota sells more than just Corollas. Some people are willing to pay well over $60,000 for a Toyota, (aka, Lexus) when they could obviously buy a Corolla, or Echo, even. The reality is that even a base model Kia would prove to be reliable transportation for most anyone. Just because you don't find value in products built to a higher level doesn't mean everyone else agrees with you. I'm willing to bet that You or I could get pretty darn consistent results with an ATS SSII or a Klippermate. Certainly good enough results for my level of play. I just happen to enjoy using a higher quality machine with higher quality components and I'm willing to pay the difference to do so.

Your higher quality components are not any higher quality than the ones I have. One would have to ask, what makes you think they are not produced by the same company?

I have had both, and yet I can't see the higher quality. Instead of buying a Lexus named product, I bought two Toyota Camary for the same money.

Bottom line, just because it cost more does not always make it better!

 

[Audiodude]

Your higher quality components are not any higher quality than the ones I have. One would have to ask, what makes you think they are not produced by the same company?

Instead of buying a Lexus named product, I bought two Toyota Camary for the same money.

If you can't tell the difference between a GS430 and a Camry, there's really nothing I can say to you.

 

[barry]

If you can't tell the difference between a GS430 and a Camry, there's really nothing I can say to you.

Must be a reason why the Camry is the worlds number 1 selling car.
You don't need a GS430 to string your rackets. 95% of a good string job is the person doing the stringing not the machine. If you can't comprend that, EOD!

 

[Ben42]

Oh boy, here we go again!


I don't want anyone to take the following as a personal attack against Barry. I don't know him. Maybe in real life he's a nice guy. But on these boards facts and logic seem to escape him. He repeats the same misleading statements over and over again like a partisan political commentator on a cable news channel hoping that if he just says something enough times people will believe it.

Look at his threads on stringing machines, or Pro tournament seeding, or Andy Roddick. There is some kind of disconnect between his world and reality. Misleading articles. Mis-stated facts. And a complete unwillingness to change his mind no matter how much evidence is presented to refute his “argument.”

I just can't figure out why so many people here are willing to take his advise in parting with their own hard earned money on an investment like stringing machine.

 

[barry]

Oh boy, here we go again!


I don't want anyone to take the following as a personal attack against Barry. I don't know him. Maybe in real life he's a nice guy. But on these boards facts and logic seem to escape him. He repeats the same misleading statements over and over again like a partisan political commentator on a cable news channel hoping that if he just says something enough times people will believe it.

Look at his threads on stringing machines, or Pro tournament seeding, or Andy Roddick. There is some kind of disconnect between his world and reality. Misleading articles. Mis-stated facts. And a complete unwillingness to change his mind no matter how much evidence is presented to refute his “argument.”

I just can't figure out why so many people here are willing to take his advise in parting with their own hard earned money on an investment like stringing machine.

You are right, people should make up their on mind, and not listen to you either. Anyone that post anything positive about Eagnas, and you are right their whining and calling them a liar.
For sure this discussion is about what is the best machine for under $500. I say the Eagnas 940, why don’t you mention your pick, or offer something creative other than the usual whine.

 

[Matthewfirth]

Hey!!
I decided i wanted to buy a stringing machine BEFORE i came to these boards so barry is not telling me to buy something i do not want. So Ben42 stop jumpin to conclusions. Barry is trying to help me, not whine.

------Forget about everything--------

In the uk a dropweight machine is about £250. I can get a lockout machine on a stand from america for £300 including postage. It is stupid. Eagnas hawk 80 £299 then you have to pay for P&P what a ripoff. So should i go ahead buying the eagnas flex 940.

Matthew

 

[Ben42]

Matthew-

I'm just trying to help. Do a search on these boards for "Eagnas" and "Maxline" and see for yourself how many complaints there are about the quality of the machines and the service gotten from the company. Then feel free to decide for yourself if you're willing to risk your money (a lot of it in non-refundable shipping charges) for a machine that may be of poor quality.

Contrary to what barry claims, there are plenty of us here (and I've been posting and reading on these boards for about 5 years) who have actually owned Eagnas stringers and have had very bad experiences with the company and the machines. I'm trying to do you a favor by warning you. If you don't wan't my advise, by all means don't take it.

 

[Matthewfirth]

Sorry i did not mean to offened you. I have been looking at an alturnitive machine tell me what you think:
http://ten nis ma te.co.uk/store/product_info.php?products_id=33&osCsid=39596837253a45e8f8ba29d30930a8dd

I can get it alot cheaper than that if i want to get it. Pro's Pro do not have a bad strike against there name.

Matthew

 

[Ben42]

I honestly don't know that machine. It looks like a Lilly-Lee product, but stringing machines can look alike so who knows. Why not call the place and ask if Pro's Pro are made by Lilly-Lee? If they are, I'd be wary.

I see you've posted on ***********, that's good. Maybe someone in the UK knows those machines, or at least the place selling them and they can be more helpfull.

You list the Stringway M50. I have an ATS stringer, but I use the Stringway (Laserfibre) floating clamps. They are very nice. If you're just stringing for you the M50 with floating clamps will probably be nice in your budget. That's how I'd go.

I do wish you luck. I just don't want to see someone else have the headache and lost money I had.

 

[Matthewfirth]

http://translate.google.com/transla...arch?q=http://www.arfaian.com/&hl=en&lr=&sa=G

That is translated by google for you from german. They are a good company, and they are in europe so that is less postage costs for me. Also look at there string section and can you reccommend me any string from there?

Matthew

 

[Audiodude]

Must be a reason why the Camry is the worlds number 1 selling car.
You don't need a GS430 to string your rackets. 95% of a good string job is the person doing the stringing not the machine. If you can't comprend that, EOD!

My previous post stated that your or I could get good results from a Gamma SSII or a Klippermate. Thanks for the confirmation. Nowhere did I say anything about the Camry being a bad car. Far from it. Both the Camry and the Honda Accord offer spectacular value. Frankly, I find nothing about Eagnas build quality that makes it worthy of comparison to Toyota, so for me, the analogy fails. The fact remains, however, that the Lexus GS430 outperforms the Camry in every way. Please understand, I'm talking about pure performance and not about value. Also, if your measure of performance is simply departing point A and arriving at point B, then you've made your choice. But to deny the difference between the two cars is pretty silly. You could easily make the argument that McDonalds hamburgers are simply ground steak, therefore there's really no reason to waste your money on New York strip. Your date for the evening, may choose to respectfully disagree.

 

[theace21]

I am glad Eagnas makes a low cost stringing machine. Competition is good for everyone, and it makes companies continue to improve products, distribution, marketing, R&D and service. To those that buy it as a first machine, congradulations - enjoy it. For me, I always avoid a deal that seems to good to be true. I buy panasonic vcr's/dvds - not the wall-mart brand. Video cameras Sony, Panasonic, Canon - not Symphonic. I could save money, but it the long run the I get enjoyment and reliablitity from superior equipments. If Eagnas machines were just as good as Gamma/Alpha machines, they would be forced to lower their prices or be stuck with inventory. I don't see that happening.

If my stringer died, I would not even consider a Eagnas machine. If I was a struggling college player - maybe. You can't dispute that many on this board have had serious issues with the company. I mention, that it seemed that company was overcoming those problems. I wish all those that save a few bucks on their Yugo's, Eagnas, Symphonic Cameras, good luck.

But for me the bottom line hasn't changed - you get what your pay for. A bargain is not always a bargain...

 

[barry]

I am glad Eagnas makes a low cost stringing machine. Competition is good for everyone, and it makes companies continue to improve products, distribution, marketing, R&D and service. To those that buy it as a first machine, congradulations - enjoy it. For me, I always avoid a deal that seems to good to be true. I buy panasonic vcr's/dvds - not the wall-mart brand. Video cameras Sony, Panasonic, Canon - not Symphonic. I could save money, but it the long run the I get enjoyment and reliablitity from superior equipments. If Eagnas machines were just as good as Gamma/Alpha machines, they would be forced to lower their prices or be stuck with inventory. I don't see that happening.

If my stringer died, I would not even consider a Eagnas machine. If I was a struggling college player - maybe. You can't dispute that many on this board have had serious issues with the company. I mention, that it seemed that company was overcoming those problems. I wish all those that save a few bucks on their Yugo's, Eagnas, Symphonic Cameras, good luck.

But for me the bottom line hasn't changed - you get what your pay for. A bargain is not always a bargain...

My opinion is still 95% of stringing is the stringer and 5% is the machine. Drop weight machines are slower than cranks, but both produce good results.

"But for me the bottom line hasn't changed - you get what your pay for. A bargain is not always a bargain" is exactly what the Babolat star folks say!

 

[barry]

My previous post stated that your or I could get good results from a Gamma SSII or a Klippermate. Thanks for the confirmation. Nowhere did I say anything about the Camry being a bad car. Far from it. Both the Camry and the Honda Accord offer spectacular value. Frankly, I find nothing about Eagnas build quality that makes it worthy of comparison to Toyota, so for me, the analogy fails. The fact remains, however, that the Lexus GS430 outperforms the Camry in every way. Please understand, I'm talking about pure performance and not about value. Also, if your measure of performance is simply departing point A and arriving at point B, then you've made your choice. But to deny the difference between the two cars is pretty silly. You could easily make the argument that McDonalds hamburgers are simply ground steak, therefore there's really no reason to waste your money on New York strip. Your date for the evening, may choose to respectfully disagree.

When I was in Germany, we had the same discussion. The Mercedes were compared to Toyota automobiles and the Mercedes cost 3 times more. Several German consumer organizations did the reports and found the Toyota was superior in every category. They were non bias; I thought it was a good analogy.
The stringing machines industry needs an unbiased review organization. Machines are pretty simple, and I think the true cost is about half what you pay. The rest is commissions and marketing hype.
Off the subject, how often have you contacted customer service for your machine?

 

[BLiND]

Mathew does that german company deliver to the UK?

 

[Audiodude]

When I was in Germany, we had the same discussion. The Mercedes were compared to Toyota automobiles and the Mercedes cost 3 times more. Several German consumer organizations did the reports and found the Toyota was superior in every category. They were non bias; I thought it was a good analogy.
The stringing machines industry needs an unbiased review organization. Machines are pretty simple, and I think the true cost is about half what you pay. The rest is commissions and marketing hype.
Off the subject, how often have you contacted customer service for your machine?

I've never had a need to contact customer service at ATS. I do, however, buy supplies from them.

My car analogy involved two cars from the same manufacturer.

I agree that the stringer plays the largest role in the outcome of the job.

I have no problem with companies earning profit on their sales. Eagnas' profit margins are probably quite similar to Alpha and ATS.

Marketing hype? I don't ever recall seeing an ad for a stringing machine in Time magazine. The cost of the machine is reflected in the build quality.

People continue to buy Gamma, Alpha, Lasrefibre, Babolat machines, etc, with full knowledge of the price and availability of Eagnas machines. Most of the folks buying the more expensive machines are experienced stringers or industry professionals. The market has spoken.

 

[barry]

I've never had a need to contact customer service at ATS. I do, however, buy supplies from them.

My car analogy involved two cars from the same manufacturer.

I agree that the stringer plays the largest role in the outcome of the job.

I have no problem with companies earning profit on their sales. Eagnas' profit margins are probably quite similar to Alpha and ATS.

Marketing hype? I don't ever recall seeing an ad for a stringing machine in Time magazine. The cost of the machine is reflected in the build quality.

People continue to buy Gamma, Alpha, Lasrefibre, Babolat machines, etc, with full knowledge of the price and availability of Eagnas machines. Most of the folks buying the more expensive machines are experienced stringers or industry professionals. The market has spoken.

Your are right, guess that is why Eagnas is the worlds largest seller of stringing machines.
The marketing money is spent in the back of Tennis mag on ads and promotions.
Are you saying Professional shops don't use Eagnas machines?

 

[equinox]

Are you saying Professional shops don't use Eagnas machines?

Yes. In australia i don't see any eagnas machines. If i ask the stringers they will reply who? which brand?

What i see in shops is prince neos 1000 lockouts, Ektelon H and Klip electronics. I've seen those newer yonex machines. Haven't seen too many babolat electronic, maybe they're to expensive.

Eagnas machines are non exsistent in Australian tennis pro shops or even sporting retail stores.

Hey barry, you must be one of the new eagnas customer service employees they started putting on to improve there PR image.

You're far too positive on everything eagnas. You should be aware people might think you're an eagnas shill. Understand Barry "shill" Eagnas.

 

[Matthewfirth]

er, i'm not sure. I emailed the german company yesterday and they have not got back yet. I emailed thme in engilsh so i hope they can read it.

I'll let you know the quote i get from them when they reply.

 

[barry]

Yes. In australia i don't see any eagnas machines. If i ask the stringers they will reply who? which brand?

What i see in shops is prince neos 1000 lockouts, Ektelon H and Klip electronics. I've seen those newer yonex machines. Haven't seen too many babolat electronic, maybe they're to expensive.

Eagnas machines are non exsistent in Australian tennis pro shops or even sporting retail stores.

Hey barry, you must be one of the new eagnas customer service employees they started putting on to improve there PR image.

You're far too positive on everything eagnas. You should be aware people might think you're an eagnas shill. Understand Barry "shill" Eagnas.

No I don't work for them or own stock in Maxline, just used the machines, unlike you who have not but still claimed everyone who has is untruthful.

Australia is a big place, so I guess you spent a lot of time traveling around looking for one in every store. Did you see any LF machines?

Are you really as stupid as your post?

 

[BLiND]

Thanks Matthew I'd appriciate that.

 

[Matthewfirth]

BLiND email me:
star.price@btinternet.com

we can chat.