Alcaraz shouldn't have become number 1

[nolefam_2024]

Bumping this thread. Seems like the 2022 USOpen is an abberation. Alcaraz needs to learn how to beat the next gen on hc. Before he can get the shot at the GOAT

After USOpen 2022 which Djokovic got banned and Alcaraz won, Djokovic won 5 titles and lost once in final of Paris Bercy where he stretched the match to 3 sets. It's hard to see him not beating Alcaraz if he was allowed to play in USopen 2022.

 

[dking68]

@nolefam_2024 I think we can all now agree that Djokovic 2007/08 was the most complete 20 years old player

Djo 2007/08 at age 20

AO W
RG SF
WB SF
USO F

Alcaraz 23/24

AO QF
RG SF
WB W
USO W

 

[nolefam_2024]

@nolefam_2024 I think we can all now agree that Djokovic 2007/08 was the most complete 20 years old player

Djo 2007/08 at age 20

AO W
RG SF
WB SF
USO F

Alcaraz 23/24

AO QF
RG SF
WB W
USO W

True. Djokovic of 2007 will beat Alcaraz of 2022 USOpen. The poll created had overwhelming voting for Djokovic. It's the politics which elevated alcaraz so high.

Alcaraz 2022 USOpen vs Djokovic 2007 USOpen

Since Carlos won his first slam at the age 19, would love to see what fans think.

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[dking68]

True. Djokovic of 2007 will beat Alcaraz of 2022 USOpen. The poll created had overwhelming voting for Djokovic. It's the politics which elevated alcaraz so high.

Alcaraz 2022 USOpen vs Djokovic 2007 USOpen

Since Carlos won his first slam at the age 19, would love to see what fans think.

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Well 2007 Djokovic corresponds to 2023 Alcaraz but even so I’d take 2007 >2023

 

[nolefam_2024]

Well 2007 Djokovic corresponds to 2023 Alcaraz but even so I’d take 2007 >2023

2023 the difference was Medvedev was back in form. He beat Alcaraz who said in press conference, I don't think I am enough mature to win these matches yet.

But in 2022 in a vaccum he was able to win the slam as well as year end number 1. What a sham.

 

[TheSlicer]

@nolefam_2024 I think we can all now agree that Djokovic 2007/08 was the most complete 20 years old player

Djo 2007/08 at age 20

AO W
RG SF
WB SF
USO F

Alcaraz 23/24

AO QF
RG SF
WB W
USO W

You are not comparing the same years, Djokovic spent almost all 2008 being 21, that year you are comparing from Djokovic would be equal to Alcarazs year that has just begun, i Guess its not convenient to compare last year

 

[FeroBango]

You are not comparing the same years, Djokovic spent almost all 2008 being 21, that year you are comparing from Djokovic would be equal to Alcarazs year that has just begun, i Guess its not convenient to compare last year

The poster may even say that Sinner is 20 and Alcaraz is 24 while we're at it. Just some agenda posting.

 

[TheSlicer]

The poster may even say that Sinner is 20 and Alcaraz is 24 while we're at it. Just some agenda posting.

It really makes things easier when you dont have to rely on facts i must say... Lol

 

[FeroBango]

It really makes things easier when you dont have to rely on facts i must say... Lol

Even if Djokovic was superior to Alcaraz at the same age (objectively he is wasn't as it at the same age as Alcaraz is now that he won his first slam), what's the shame in it? He was still an elite player and definitely comparable to today's Alcaraz unlike, say, a 20 yo Sinner for example.

Players can lose, 20 yo phenoms can lose. I remember Djokovic getting thrown out by Safin. Similarly there's no shame in losing to the Zverev who turned up yesterday. Novak knows what a redlining Zverev can do.

 

[nolefam_2024]

You are not comparing the same years, Djokovic spent almost all 2008 being 21, that year you are comparing from Djokovic would be equal to Alcarazs year that has just begun, i Guess its not convenient to compare last year

No
I am comparing Djokovic's 20th year to raz's.
Djokovic won 3 master. 1 slam and another final. The final was very competitive match vs Federer.

 

[TheSlicer]

No
I am comparing Djokovic's 20th year to raz's.
Djokovic won 3 master. 1 slam and another final. The final was very competitive match vs Federer.

Yeah, a very competitive 3 setter, i watched novak at 20, did you? He wasnt on Alcaraz level, i can tell you that much

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yeah, a very competitive 3 setter, i watched novak at 20, did you? He wasnt on Alcaraz level, i can tell you that much

Alcaraz has a big flashy game I will give you that.

 

[TheSlicer]

Alcaraz has a big flashy game I will give you that.

And actually a net Game, obviously Djokovic was more consistent, but thats just a matter of different gamestyles, still i dont know why i get into this, i really think comparisons are pointless

 

[nolefam_2024]

And actually a net Game, obviously Djokovic was more consistent, but thats just a matter of different gamestyles, still i dont know why i get into this, i really think comparisons are pointless

Disagree

Consistency over flashy game. Alcaraz will need to be consistent as well.

 

[TheSlicer]

Disagree

Consistency over flashy game. Alcaraz will need to be consistent as well.

Its not really about flashy Game, but about winners errors ratio and how you can hit those winners, Alcaraz can hit them with basically any shot, if he was as consistent as novak natural gamestyle he would be unplayable, specially just coming fresh on tour... You just cant be a máster of every área of the Game when you are that young, but he is proficient at many

 

[nolefam_2024]

Its not really about flashy Game, but about winners errors ratio and how you can hit those winners, Alcaraz can hit them with basically any shot, if he was as consistent as novak natural gamestyle he would be unplayable, specially just coming fresh on tour... You just cant be a máster of every área of the Game when you are that young, but he is proficient at many

Novak could hit winners from many parts at 20.
But he was ridiculously consistent. Watch his matches vs Federer. Or Nadal but Nadal he has match up advantage. you are now underrating Djokovic.

 

[TheSlicer]

Novak could hit winners from many parts at 20.
But he was ridiculously consistent. Watch his matches vs Federer. Or Nadal but Nadal he has match up advantage. you are now underrating Djokovic.

I dont underrate him, i watched many of those matches live, yes he was more agressive when he was younger, but didnt have the head that he has now, and his net Game was quite poor, its only in recent years that he has improved a bit and implemented the slice, he just wasnt as complete, he was consistent and had decent pop and he could get results, but you never saw the potential you can see in Alcaraz, that doesnt mean that Carlos is gonna get better results, but he definetly is quite more proficient at many shots than what Djokovic was at his age, and that is really undeniable if you watched him then and you watch Carlos now

 

[nolefam_2024]

I dont underrate him, i watched many of those matches live, yes he was more agressive when he was younger, but didnt have the head that he has now, and his net Game was quite poor, its only in recent years that he has improved a bit and implemented the slice, he just wasnt as complete, he was consistent and had decent pop and he could get results, but you never saw the potential you can see in Alcaraz, that doesnt mean that Carlos is gonna get better results, but he definetly is quite more proficient at many shots than what Djokovic was at his age, and that is really undeniable if you watched him then and you watch Carlos now

That potential is good for a doubles player. I am beginning to think alcaraz will become another Nadal. Nadal also had potential because of his touch and his speed.

Nole had the serve and his forehand was pretty good, less compact than now but he was not spraying errors. And BIG. Plus his backhand then was far stronger than Alcaraz backhand ever. Even though his slice sucked.

 

[TheSlicer]

That potential is good for a doubles player. I am beginning to think alcaraz will become another Nadal. Nadal also had potential because of his touch and his speed.

Nole had the serve and his forehand was pretty good, less compact than now but he was not spraying errors. And BIG. Plus his backhand then was far stronger than Alcaraz backhand ever. Even though his slice sucked.

For a doubles player LOL, he just won 2 slams, he has nothing to do with Nadal, they honestly have nothing alike except the intensity sometimes, he has started with a very good base being good at many things, now he has to figure out his game plan, thats to me the diference between him and nadal or Djokovic, those two guys had clear strenghts and weaknesses, so it was always obvious what their Gameplans should be like, with Carlos he has to learn to use what he has at the apropiate moments, i honestly see him more like fed in that regard, i really think hes gonna need much more experience than nadal or Djokovic to play at his best consistently.