Djokovic 2008 season vs Alcaraz 2023 season

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic was 64-17 and won 4 titles

Alcaraz is 63-9 and won 6 titles.

Djokovic won a slam and made 2 semis.
Alcaraz win a slam and made 2 semis

Djokovic won 1 hard masters 1 clay masters and made 1 Cincinnati final
Alcaraz won 1 hard masters 1 clay masters and made 1 Cincinnati final

Djokovic won ATP finals
Alcaraz yet to play.

Who had better year?

 

[TheNachoMan]

Depends if Carlos wins WTF and finishes #1.

 

[Kralingen]

Eerily similar years. I would have to give the edge to Novak for winning the YEC currently.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Depends if Carlos wins WTF and finishes #1.

There is a chance Medvedev overtakes raz in rankings still. Especially if Raz is injured. 1500 pts behind Raz.

Medvedev has won Bercy and ATP finals before. Raz is injured.

 

[dking68]

Alcaraz was better.

 

[dking68]

There is a chance Medvedev overtakes raz in rankings still. Especially if Raz is injured. 1500 pts behind Raz.

Medvedev has won Bercy and ATP finals before. Raz is injured.

Sinner is winning ATP finals for sure and most likely will win Vienna.

 

[dking68]

Alcaraz has zero chance against Sinner indoors

 

[Pheasant]

The WTF will have the answer. If Alcaraz doesn't win the WTF, then it's Djoker. The WTF is a very big deal. If Alcaraz wins the WTF, then he takes it, due to a much better overall record so far and a 6-4 edge in overall titles.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner is winning ATP finals for sure and most likely will win Vienna.

Sinner has to play at god level to win atp finals. Beating both Nole and Medvedev probably. I don't see it happening. He is 0-3 and 1-6 vs both.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Sinner is winning ATP finals for sure and most likely will win Vienna.

Sinner..lol

 

[dking68]

Sinner has to play at god level to win atp finals. Beating both Nole and Medvedev probably. I don't see it happening. He is 0-3 and 1-6 vs both.

Sinner is a better player than Medvedev now, the challenge is Djokovic. I think he’ll get the title

 

[nolefam_2024]

Alcaraz has zero chance against Sinner indoors

Alcaraz may not even be in sinners half. It can possibly be Nole sinner and Zverev or tsitsipas in one half. Then chances are sinner doesn't even break out of the Round Robbin.

Alcaraz doesn't have to worry about facing Nole at least in RR. He can lose to sinner and still win ATP finals.

 

[dking68]

Alcaraz may not even be in sinners half. It can possibly be Nole sinner and Zverev or tsitsipas in one half. Then chances are sinner doesn't even break out of the Round Robbin.

Alcaraz doesn't have to worry about facing Nole at least in RR. He can lose to sinner and still win ATP finals.

Sinner has won 2 out of his last 4 tournaments. Sinner is going to break through next year. I bet he wins Vienna next week

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner has won 2 out of his last 4 tournaments. Sinner is going to break through next year. I bet he wins Vienna next week

Let's focus on alcaraz. As shown above even if sinner beats alcaraz it doesn't mean Raz can't win atp finals. Nole lost a match in 2008 to Roger I think. It won't matter.

 

[dking68]

Alcaraz may not even be in sinners half. It can possibly be Nole sinner and Zverev or tsitsipas in one half. Then chances are sinner doesn't even break out of the Round Robbin.

Alcaraz doesn't have to worry about facing Nole at least in RR. He can lose to sinner and still win ATP finals.

You realize this is sinners best surface right?

 

[nolefam_2024]

You realize this is sinners best surface right?

This isn't even sinner thread.

 

[dking68]

This isn't even sinner thread.

Medvedev has never defended an ATP career title in his career. I bet if he plays Sinner in the Vienna final he’s going to lose

 

[dking68]

Either way @nachiket nolefam Alcaraz won’t win finals. His game has too much top spin to win an indoor HC title

 

[dking68]

Let's focus on alcaraz. As shown above even if sinner beats alcaraz it doesn't mean Raz can't win atp finals. Nole lost a match in 2008 to Roger I think. It won't matter.

I know but Alcaraz sucks indoors

 

[TripleATeam]

If Alcaraz wins Turin, then him. Fewer losses and more wins. If Alcaraz doesn't win Turin, then Djokovic.

 

[nolefam_2024]

@dking68 let's make Djokovic 2009 vs sinner 2023 thread separately

 

[dking68]

@dking68 let's make Djokovic 2009 vs sinner 2023 thread separately

So far they won 3 titles at this point, Djokovic made 8 finals but Sinner made 5 finals at this point. Sinner was Toronto champion, Nole was mastersless at this point. Djokovic then won Basel and Paris masters. I want to see if Sinner can win Vienna, Paris and atp finals

 

[dking68]

If sinner wins the 3 @nachiket nolefam i would consider it a better season than Nole’s 2009 outside of slams

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Djokovic was a bit better. Aside from the AO could have won RG without Nadal and USO without Federer, at least one of the two. He did poor at Wimbledon but that was against a Safin rolling back the years, the draw was bad luck. Alcaraz didn't play the AO and lost to Medvedev who is a top HCer, but not Big 3 caliber. In the second half Djokovic declined but Alcaraz seems to have declined even more, depends on how this go in the last few tournaments really.

 

[dking68]

Actually you know what @nachiket nolefam i changed my mind. Djokovic 2008 takes it, for me

 

[RS]

Who played at a higher level?

1. Federer USO 07 or Djokovic AO 08
2. Djokovic USO 08 or Alcaraz Wim 23
3. Federer Wim 09 or Djokovic AO 08
4. Nalbandian AO 04 or Alcaraz Wim 23
5. Murray Wim 16 or Djokovic USO 18

 

[dking68]

@nachiket nolefam if Sinner wins the last 3 tournaments of the season, will he win a GS in 2024?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic was a bit better. Aside from the AO could have won RG without Nadal and USO without Federer, at least one of the two. He did poor at Wimbledon but that was against a Safin rolling back the years, the draw was bad luck. Alcaraz didn't play the AO and lost to Medvedev who is a top HCer, but not Big 3 caliber. In the second half Djokovic declined but Alcaraz seems to have declined even more, depends on how this go in the last few tournaments really.

2008 was Olympic year. Djokovic failed to win that as well. Does that change the conversation?
Let's see H2H vs rivals as well.

 

[nolefam_2024]

@nachiket nolefam if Sinner wins the last 3 tournaments of the season, will he win a GS in 2024?

Year end high level is sometimes overrated. But if sinner beats Nole alcaraz Medvedev 2 of the three at least he will look very good. But I am not sure.

 

[dking68]

Year end high level is sometimes overrated. But if sinner beats Nole alcaraz Medvedev 2 of the three at least he will look very good. But I am not sure.

He will win Turin. Believe me

 

[dking68]

There is a chance Medvedev overtakes raz in rankings still. Especially if Raz is injured. 1500 pts behind Raz.

Medvedev has won Bercy and ATP finals before. Raz is injured.

This won’t happen. Sinner won’t allow him to do that. He will lose to Sinner indoors if he recently lost to him outdoors in straights. Sinner loves indoor HC

 

[nolefam_2024]

Who played at a higher level?

1. Federer USO 07 or Djokovic AO 08
2. Djokovic USO 08 or Alcaraz Wim 23
3. Federer Wim 09 or Djokovic AO 08
4. Nalbandian AO 04 or Alcaraz Wim 23
5. Murray Wim 16 or Djokovic USO 18

1. Federer
2. Alcaraz
3. Djokovic
4. Didn't see but ofcourse Alcaraz who won
5. Djokovic

 

[The Sinner]

It’s not all about the number of titles, one must also consider the competition faced. Djokovic takes this.

 

[NatF]

Djokovic more impressive, just much tougher competition.

 

[nolefam_2024]

It’s not all about the number of titles, one must also consider the competition faced. Djokovic takes this.

True but competition argument can go out of hand pretty quickly. We have to always be vigilant. Alcaraz is beating players who are a few years into their prime already. And he is not just scraping by, he is dominating them. Zverev Tsitsipas Medvedev Berrettini etc. His semis at Wimbledon was like an insult to Medvedev's game. 3/3/3

 

[Sport]

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

Djokovic was better against tougher competition.
1. In the slams they won, Djokovic beat prime Federer in straights while Alcaraz struggled to beat old Djokovic.
2. Djokovic lost to monster Rafa on clay while Alcaraz lost to old Djokovic.
3. Djokovic lost to 4 time defending champ Fed at USO while Alcaraz lost to Medvedev.

2007-2009 Djokovic was frankly very underrated. Put him in Alcaraz's place, and he dominates.

 

[Milanez82]

Wimbledon is bigger then AO.
Plus Alcaraz beat a 7 time Wimbledon champ to get his slam.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Djokovic was better against tougher competition.
1. In the slams they won, Djokovic beat prime Federer in straights while Alcaraz struggled to beat old Djokovic.
2. Djokovic lost to monster Rafa on clay while Alcaraz lost to old Djokovic.
3. Djokovic lost to 4 time defending champ Fed at USO while Alcaraz lost to Medvedev.

2007-2009 Djokovic was frankly very underrated. Put him in Alcaraz's place, and he dominates.

2008 was a very strong year. I agree.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I’d go with 2008 Djokovic here. Achievements aren’t much different but Djokovic performed at a higher level in a stronger year of competition.

Djoko at prime/peak Fed to deal with on hard courts and peak Nadal on clay. Djoko was not as good on grass that year so Alcaraz obviously ahead for grass. However, for hard courts and clay I’d take 2008 Djoko over 2023 alcaraz

 

[Djokodalerer31]

If Alcaraz wins Turin, then him. Fewer losses and more wins. If Alcaraz doesn't win Turin, then Djokovic.

And if Novak wins Paris and Turin back-to-back, then it's plain obvious! LOL

 

[Fabresque]

I would give it to Djokovic. If Alcaraz wins tour finals and subsequently ends as no.1, then I’d give it to him.

 

[InsideOut900]

All I know is that 2008 Djoko would easily win AO, RG, USO, IW, Miami, Madrid, Rome, Queens, Toronto, Cinci and possibly YEC if he played in 2023 in Carlos's place.

Could honestly even win Wimbledon if he survives 1st week.

 

[Krish0608]

Adjusted for tour strength, Djokovic's is infinitely better. Numbers lie sometimes.

 

[FeroBango]

The correct comparison would be 2007 vs 2023.

But knowing our retro aficionados, Djoko 2007 would also be granted a CYGS and golden masters in 2023.

 

[nolefam_2024]

All I know is that 2008 Djoko would easily win AO, RG, USO, IW, Miami, Madrid, Rome, Queens, Toronto, Cinci and possibly YEC if he played in 2023 in Carlos's place.

Could honestly even win Wimbledon if he survives 1st week.

That's very unbiased of you fedfan.

 

[Biotic]

Go-to parroting 2007 - 2008 Djoko lost to only Fedal at slams, anyone? Fact of the matter is everyone he beat in 2008 RG, W or USO would be more than manageable to 2023 Djoko as well. And his masters campaign was very average tbh.

Not that Alcaraz is better or anything, he would lose the same matches to Fedal, 2008 Djoko lost. Djoko's advantage may be at AO and IW, and that's about it.

 

[RS]

AO - 10-0 Djokovic
RG - 6-4 Djokovic
Wim - 8-2 Alcaraz
USO - 6-4 Djokovic

This seems about how it could go.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Djokovic was 64-17 and won 4 titles

Alcaraz is 63-9 and won 6 titles.

Djokovic won a slam and made 2 semis.
Alcaraz win a slam and made 2 semis

Djokovic won 1 hard masters 1 clay masters and made 1 Cincinnati final
Alcaraz won 1 hard masters 1 clay masters and made 1 Cincinnati final

Djokovic won ATP finals
Alcaraz yet to play.

Who had better year?

Djokovic 2008

 

[I get cramps]

Suppose I squeeze my brain through constant eyebrow wagging and try to visualize a notable difference between the two 20-year-old tennis players. In that case, although I must say that my dementia tells me that Monsieur Djokovic was born in May 1987, Mnemosyne sings to me that the malleable Belgradian played one more grand slam in 2008 than the Murcian did in 2023.

I already feel the prodromes of Alzheimer's and forget I am not even on a chair, a wheelchair, a couch, or standing as I write this, but didn't the Murcian count 19 years like nineteen suns until May 2023?