Kobble
Hall of Fame
You've got to play it to the bone while they still care. Don't let the moment get away.
Any Lawyers out here? Help will be appreciated.
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vmosrafa08
Semi-Pro
Here's a video that is really helpful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YJ088DeJQo&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YJ088DeJQo&feature=channel_page
vmosrafa08
Semi-Pro
Jokes aside, my question is: This happened in Wisconsin- What state do you live in? I've heard that it's hard for police in one state to convict you if you live in another state. I think that you should tell the judge: I had two choices. I could've fell asleep while I was driving, or I could've done the better thing and drove to the rest stop quickly. This was irresponsible, but falling asleep in the car would have been more dangerous for me and the people around me. Mention that you have never sped before, but don't mention that you will never speed again. Try to get some sympathy, because the judge usually doesn't care about one minor case.
Condescending is a word that should never come from your lips unless you are discussing your own faults.
Lots of words here, but none that actually refute my conclusions about you and your life.
The clues are there for all to see. And we all see them very clearly.
Deuce
Banned
You are even more delusional than I thought if you truly think that your bitter-based adolescent "conclusions" about 'me and my life' are important or significant enough for me to "refute".
This is a game I haven't played since I was about 14. Thanks for the memories.
I see that you're desperate to the point of trying to give the impression that you speak "for all".
I suppose this makes you feel more large and significant.
Well... whatever floats your boat...
Again - it's quite interesting that, even several days later, my posts still bother you to the point of waking this thread only to stick your tongue out at me.
Indeed, it does bring a smile to my face.
And, as I mentioned, also brings back memories of the games of early adolescence.
Pardon my being distracted with a trip down memory lane...
Now, what exactly is your purpose here, again?
My purpose here is to spank self-righteous losers like you who tell the OP and other youngsters how to live their lives.
The reason you can't refute my points about you is because they are true, and you know it, and it bugs you to no end that me and everyone else here recognizes you for the bitter and angry man that you are.
And yeah, I do speak for everyone when I state this. If I am mistaken, I'm sure the many friends and admirers you've made here will come rushing to your defense...
Deuce
Banned
I was wrong about your age.
By pegging you as a teenager, I've clearly overestimated.
You are so utterly desperate to make this thread about me that it's comical.
The content of your posts is exactly the stuff kids utter to each other at about age 12, in desperate efforts to assert their imaginary 'manness'.
For whatever reason, you possess this desperate need still - even at whatever physical age you are.
Maybe you're short, or some such, and suffer from the short man's syndrome, or Napoleonic complex, of absolute overcompensation for a lack of height...
There is obviously a profound reason for your utter desperation in this manner...
As humorous as it is - as you keep making it worse with each successive post, I must admit that it's also somewhat sad to see.
By pegging you as a teenager, I've clearly overestimated.
You are so utterly desperate to make this thread about me that it's comical.
The content of your posts is exactly the stuff kids utter to each other at about age 12, in desperate efforts to assert their imaginary 'manness'.
For whatever reason, you possess this desperate need still - even at whatever physical age you are.
Maybe you're short, or some such, and suffer from the short man's syndrome, or Napoleonic complex, of absolute overcompensation for a lack of height...
There is obviously a profound reason for your utter desperation in this manner...
As humorous as it is - as you keep making it worse with each successive post, I must admit that it's also somewhat sad to see.
Nice try.
This has nothing to do with manliness or maturity. I simply see a bitter and failed man hectoring young people on a regular basis on these boards, and I'm calling you on it, as others here have done so in the past.
I still recommend driving 100 mph once in your life, and perhaps even getting yourself a girlfriend. You clearly need something or someone in your life to make you ligthen up and stop taking out your frustrations on kids who post on tennis boards.
Deuce
Banned
I can assure you with 100% certainty that you not only know nothing about my actual life, but that your childish insults will do absolutely nothing to alter my behaviour on this board.
I do what I feel is right, not what some two-bit troll who follows me around a message board thinks is 'right'.
For me to heed even a slight bit of your advice, it would have to be presented to me in a much less blatantly biased, and in an infinitely more intelligent and mature manner than the manner in which you choose to present it.
I'd also have to hold at least a half ounce of respect for you.
In other words, you are wasting your time, and accomplishing nothing more than revealing yourself as an immature troll.
I do what I feel is right, not what some two-bit troll who follows me around a message board thinks is 'right'.
For me to heed even a slight bit of your advice, it would have to be presented to me in a much less blatantly biased, and in an infinitely more intelligent and mature manner than the manner in which you choose to present it.
I'd also have to hold at least a half ounce of respect for you.
In other words, you are wasting your time, and accomplishing nothing more than revealing yourself as an immature troll.
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
That's funny because I can assure you with 100% certainty that you not only know nothing about my actual life, but that your childish insults will do absolutely nothing to alter my behaviour on this board.
I do what I feel is right, not what some two-bit troll who follows me around a message board thinks is 'right'.
For me to heed even a slight bit of your advice, it would have to be presented to me in a much less blatantly biased, and in an infinitely more intelligent and mature manner than the manner in which you choose to present it.
I'd also have to hold at least a half ounce of respect for you.
In other words, you are wasting your time, and accomplishing nothing more than revealing yourself as an immature troll.
I do what I feel is right, not what some two-bit troll who follows me around a message board thinks is 'right'.
For me to heed even a slight bit of your advice, it would have to be presented to me in a much less blatantly biased, and in an infinitely more intelligent and mature manner than the manner in which you choose to present it.
I'd also have to hold at least a half ounce of respect for you.
In other words, you are wasting your time, and accomplishing nothing more than revealing yourself as an immature troll.
I'm confident I'm pretty on target with my assesment of your life. You can deny it all you want but that doesn't change the truth, and we all know it, don't we?
Interesting to hear you would consider taking some of my advice, if only it were presented in a different manner by a poster you respected. (Though since you have problems with virtually everyone here, I can't imagine who that could be.) It's the most admirable thing I've ever seen you post, a tacit admission of your weaknesses and excesses here at TT. It's a start.
Deuce
Banned
^ Well, I certainly know the truth...
Once again, what you desperately claim as "truth" is merely your biased and bitter hope.
You really shouldn't play with important words like 'truth', as, among honest persons, it damages your credibility even more than it has already been damaged.
^ Another petty cheap shot, wrapped with wishful twisting and manipulating - the product of utter - and ongoing (yawn) - desperation.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
It's nice to see that after a hundred posts, the topic is still right on target. What is also nice to see is that for numerous pages, two posters who have criticized me in the past are both behaving like immature children. Oh well...they obviously get off on it so let 'em be.
I love how you keeping posting that I don't know what I'm talking about, yet can never seem to produce anything that disproves what I say. You never write "you're wrong because of X, Y, and Z", it's always "you HOPE you're right" and "how would you know?" and other such vague responses.
You know I've got you down pat, and that's what's killing ya.
At this point it's best you admit defeat, and move on to some other thread where you hope I don't find you scolding some other youngster. Since you now seem to have glimpsed the error of your ways, as your previous post implied, perhaps you'll mend your pompous-ass ways a bit and lighten up. Heck, maybe you'll even take a 100 mile an hour joy ride and hit on some chicks. Go for it!
Deuce
Banned
^ Yet another post which reeks of the words of a 12 year old in a schoolyard at recess...
Do you honestly think that you - or your petty accusations - are of enough significance to me that I feel obliged to refute them in detail?
Or that they somehow 'harm' me?
Or that I must justify or explain anything at all to you?
That's quite funny.
You overestimate your importance by a long shot.
Have you ever thought that the only reason I'm prolonging this as I am is because it offers others the opportunity to see you reveal yourself in all your glory?
Didn't quite catch that, huh? No surprise...
For myself, I'm far more interested in truth and honesty.
heycal said:
Do you honestly think that you - or your petty accusations - are of enough significance to me that I feel obliged to refute them in detail?
Or that they somehow 'harm' me?
Or that I must justify or explain anything at all to you?
That's quite funny.
You overestimate your importance by a long shot.
"Killing me"?heycal said:
Have you ever thought that the only reason I'm prolonging this as I am is because it offers others the opportunity to see you reveal yourself in all your glory?
Didn't quite catch that, huh? No surprise...
I fully realize that for you, this is all about "victory" and "defeat" - just as it is for any 12 year old 'tough guy' trying to prove his 'manhood' in the school yard.heycal said:
For myself, I'm far more interested in truth and honesty.
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Once again, a lot of words, lot of insults tossed at me, yet no actual refutation of my characterization and conclusions about your life.
If you're interested in truth and honesty, why don't you just come out and say "Ok, you're right about me being a failed and bitter guy approaching middle age who never misses a chance to criticize everything and everyone, particularly youngsters I feel I can get away with bullying, but hey, it's my right to be that way!" You know, something truthful.
I've got your number and that bugs you to no end. Oops!
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
Sammy Hagar said:
I'm not a lawyer, but I can probably get you off.
....oops....think I used that one before....
LuckyR
Legend
Actually more like tangerines to oranges. I said the Autobahn was "only the most obvious" example, not the only (or best) example.
Your portrayal of Americans who have driven over 100 mph as weaving in and out of other traffic going 65 -75 is a complete strawman meant to falsely distance the American from the German experience. I have never witnessed this event even once, personally (I have caught it on cable Police video shows). Have you seen this sort of behavior personally?
Folks I know who have driven over 100 (which would be essentially every male person I know), did it at a time and location where if they crashed it would be a one car accident. And since such a crash would be newsworthy (because of it's rarity) and the number of folks doing it is close to 50% of all drivers, it doesn't appear to be all that dangerous in that context.
BTW, not everyone on the Autobahn drives near the Century mark... you don't sound like a car guy...
Excellent post on a number of levels, LuckyR. I remember once going 115 in a BMW (on 117 westbound, Dedans), and let me tell you, I was definitely NOT weaving in and out of traffic like some drunk, but hyper alert and vigilant.
The times I'm a danger on the road is when I'm driving 50 miles an hour and sending trivial text messages.
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Deuce
Banned
So... let me get this straight...
The person driving significantly over the speed limit also has the power to predict what is on the road ahead, and only speeds when this power tells him that there are no other cars on the road in front of him for X number of miles.
That seems to be what you're saying.
Otherwise, realistically speaking, when one is driving at significantly over the speed limit, it is highly logical to conclude that A) you don't have any idea of the traffic ahead until you see it, and B) that when you do come upon other cars, they will be going significantly slower than are you - thus making the combination of high speed amidst lower speed a dangerous combination.
And, yes - I have seen many, many cases of idiots driving well over the speed limit, and significantly faster than the other cars around, weaving among those slower cars.
When they are going that speed, and the others are not, they have no choice but to weave in and out of them.
saram
Legend
Deuce,
In South Dakota--you can drive at 150+ and never see a car for an hour and the roads are straight. I'm not advocating it--I'm just saying....
Here's a serious, science-type question I don't know the answer to:
Is it more dangerous to pass a car going way faster than the other car, or to pass it going at a similar speed? Because one could argue that if you're going 100 mph, your spending half as much time in the proximity of the other car than if you were going 50 -- ergo, half as much time for either of you to make a mistake and cause a collision.
Now, I realize there is less reaction time and the force of the collision would be much worse if it were to occur, but I'm just talking about the actual likelyhood of a collision at these two given speeds. For as we know, the more time cars spend near other cars, such as in heavier traffic, the more likely they are to collide with one another. So perhaps that principle would translate to this area, so when you see that other car out there that happens to be going the speed limit on that lonely South Dakotan highway when you're going 150 miles an hour, is it actually any safer to slow down to 60 miles an hour to pass it or just zip right on by with the pedal to the metal?
Discuss.
Is it more dangerous to pass a car going way faster than the other car, or to pass it going at a similar speed? Because one could argue that if you're going 100 mph, your spending half as much time in the proximity of the other car than if you were going 50 -- ergo, half as much time for either of you to make a mistake and cause a collision.
Now, I realize there is less reaction time and the force of the collision would be much worse if it were to occur, but I'm just talking about the actual likelyhood of a collision at these two given speeds. For as we know, the more time cars spend near other cars, such as in heavier traffic, the more likely they are to collide with one another. So perhaps that principle would translate to this area, so when you see that other car out there that happens to be going the speed limit on that lonely South Dakotan highway when you're going 150 miles an hour, is it actually any safer to slow down to 60 miles an hour to pass it or just zip right on by with the pedal to the metal?
Discuss.
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Well, what makes you say it's pretty dangerous? It may have felt dangerous to be passed by someone zipping by at 100, but was it really?
origmarm
Hall of Fame
Regarding speed differential and correlation to accidents. I read a supplement in a German newspaper when I was there on just this in around 1999. It was in fact a full statistical analysis of road accidents essentially. My understanding of this given the studies the Germans did at the time was that there was a increased risk with a greater speed differential yes. It was very small however and this was mostly attributed to an expectation of speed as defined by being used to the driving conditions of an Autobahn environment.
To elaborate, the problem with the data here in a word is tourists. The data essentially contains a small deviant sample which normally represents "tourists" who do "stupid" things like pull out into the fast lane at 85 without checking that someone is not coming up behind them at 120. From what I can see most of the studies screen these out by country of origin and people who drive under 1,000 km a year in a secondary data set i.e. they run two series of analysis with two sets.
What it showed was that with the "german and 1,000+ only" data, there was no statistically significant difference. With the "full" data set, there was a correlation but it was still not within the significant order of magnitude.
The other real problem is that there is no control mechanism from what I can see. How do you control for the "normal" rate of driver error i.e. the fact that people crash anyway seemingly independent of road conditions.
The simple fact for this (uncontrolled) data set at least is that overall speed (up to a point, there is however a substantial j-bend in the data around 150mph or so) and speed differential have less statistical impact than an extra 30m sleep the night before on the accident rate. The real surprise for me was how much impact mobile phones have, it was on a par with drunkeness. The impact was also much greater (over double) in urban traffic as compared to fast road traffic contrary to my initial presumption.
Cheers, Orig
To elaborate, the problem with the data here in a word is tourists. The data essentially contains a small deviant sample which normally represents "tourists" who do "stupid" things like pull out into the fast lane at 85 without checking that someone is not coming up behind them at 120. From what I can see most of the studies screen these out by country of origin and people who drive under 1,000 km a year in a secondary data set i.e. they run two series of analysis with two sets.
What it showed was that with the "german and 1,000+ only" data, there was no statistically significant difference. With the "full" data set, there was a correlation but it was still not within the significant order of magnitude.
The other real problem is that there is no control mechanism from what I can see. How do you control for the "normal" rate of driver error i.e. the fact that people crash anyway seemingly independent of road conditions.
The simple fact for this (uncontrolled) data set at least is that overall speed (up to a point, there is however a substantial j-bend in the data around 150mph or so) and speed differential have less statistical impact than an extra 30m sleep the night before on the accident rate. The real surprise for me was how much impact mobile phones have, it was on a par with drunkeness. The impact was also much greater (over double) in urban traffic as compared to fast road traffic contrary to my initial presumption.
Cheers, Orig
origmarm
Hall of Fame
I would describe it as "unexpected" or "intimidating" rather than dangerous. After a while you get very used to it. I would liken the experience to the first time you have to pass a truck on a two lane road in wet weather.
For me the only problem with the autobahn was that often there was some fool who attempted to drive fast despite the traffic or weather conditions. Driving a 911 at 100mph when it's snowing is just stupid frankly. Weaving in and out of rush hour traffic equally in your modified Golf equally so. I think you have this problem everywhere to a degree but the autobahn breeds in some a feeling of "entitlement" to speed.
saram
Legend
There are some cars on the Autobahn capable of cruising at 150mph. Even if you are doing 100mph--or even 110mph--you just don't see them coming up on your from behind---even if you constantly check the rear view mirror. If there is no traffic and you are constantly and continually in the right lane--no problem. The more traffic out there and constant changing of lanes to pass is when this becomes an issue as most of those cars do not slow down during greater traffic and the risk of plowing into the back of a car attempting to pass another car becomes more dangerous.
origmarm
Hall of Fame
I found this to be the problem for sure. With the freedom of no limit comes the responsibility of judgement which unfortunately some don't seem to get.
LuckyR
Legend
Well I had better intervene since you clearly don't have "this straight". First of all, do you drive a single speed on the highway? Neither does anyone else. Why then do you opine that someone going over the Century mark when they are on a straight patch of highway where they can see for miles and there isn't any other traffic would continue to do so when these factors are no longer the case?
Something that you are obviously unaware of is that when going over 100 mph, it doesn't take crazy braking to slow down dramatically when you see other traffic ahead, merely taking your foot off of the gas (or more realistically raising it slightly) will scrub off a lot of speed very quickly and in control.
And as to your last paragraph, nice try avoiding my question. Everyone has seen idiots weaving in and out of traffic in a dangerous manner. In 100% of the cases in my (and I expect yours as well even if you won't admit it) though, the car was not traveling anywhere near 100 mph.
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
OK, I agree with everyone in this thread who says that speeding is fine under proper conditions (empty highway, in control, etc.), and everyone reminding the forum that Deuce is a deranged psychopath. However, I am not sure I will agree with your statement here.
From what I learned in HS (AP) physics was that the opposite is the case. Just like acceleration, deceleration is harder at higher speeds. It seemed counterintuitive at first, which is why I tested it to confirm, and it's true. Go out on the road tomorrow and see what it's like to drop 100->50 vs. 50->0. The latter is painless and nearly instantaneous relative to the former. And maybe somebody with a physics textbook handy can confirm.
Excellent summary of the thread. Good post.
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Deuce
Banned
So people who drive significantly over the speed limit do so only on straight highways?
How convenient.
And false.
Also, they don't necessarily slow down when they see traffic. If the other, significantly slower cars are in the right hand lane, many who go well over the speed limit will hardly slow down - or not slow down at all, figuring they have a lane all to themselves.
In the end, it amounts to selfish behaviour.
Yeah - you might reach your destination 10 or 15 minutes sooner than if you'd driven at a reasonable speed (relative to the other cars) - but is it really that important to save 10 minutes? In the grand scheme of things, for 99% of people, the honest answer is 'No'.
You're the one avoiding the issue here, not me - the issue being the differences in speed.
That's the turn the thread took - apparently when you weren't looking.
Whether those weaving in and out of slower traffic are going 100, 115, or 85, is irrelevant - the fact is that it is highly dangerous. That's pretty much why such persons are universally referred to as "idiots".
LuckyR
Legend
Last things first. I have already agreed that folks who weave in and out of traffic at a high speed differential are idiots. In fact that was the word I used too. So much for the too obvious Strawman.
For the purposes of this thread (where the OP was raked over the coals for traveling at a particular numerical speed), since you continue to not cite cases in your experience where folks weave in the style mentioned above at the speed the OP was chastized for travelling at (>100 mph), we'll agree to call that a myth (or at least a very unusual practice). Again, I have never witnessed it in my life (and you have not specifically disagreed).
As to what those of us in the Century Club do on the highway, you certainly try to give the appearance of being well informed about it, given that you: 1) have never done it before, 2) have so far, not acknowledged that you have personally witnessed it much, if at all, 3) I'm not thinking you hang with a ton of folks who do. I don't know... maybe you live on Thunder Alley. Therefore your declaration that my description of common > 100 mph behavior is "false" is based on what? Wishful thinking?
I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up again, haha
I pleaded not guilty, argued that it was my first offense and I was really distraught. Judge looked at me incredulously, made me spend the night in jail and threw 50 hours of community serice on top of it. I guess I didn't appear sorry enough...
Just joking...
It was the DA who I spoke to, not the judge. I pleaded guilty, knowing that there was no way out, and hoping that it would at least reduce the fine / points.
I simply said that I was distressed with my personal problems and lost the track of speed. And, I said it was my first ever ticket, which she had no idea.
She really didn't seem like she paid much attention to my case, which was obviously expected. She basically looked at the guideline for traffic violation, and she said she could reduced the violation by one level. I accepted and paid the fine.
There was some drama caused by me moving to a different state and delays in the docmument processing, which delayed the start of the 14 day license suspension.
In hindsight, if I really pleaded I may have gotten to reduce it even further.
I pleaded not guilty, argued that it was my first offense and I was really distraught. Judge looked at me incredulously, made me spend the night in jail and threw 50 hours of community serice on top of it. I guess I didn't appear sorry enough...
Just joking...
It was the DA who I spoke to, not the judge. I pleaded guilty, knowing that there was no way out, and hoping that it would at least reduce the fine / points.
I simply said that I was distressed with my personal problems and lost the track of speed. And, I said it was my first ever ticket, which she had no idea.
She really didn't seem like she paid much attention to my case, which was obviously expected. She basically looked at the guideline for traffic violation, and she said she could reduced the violation by one level. I accepted and paid the fine.
There was some drama caused by me moving to a different state and delays in the docmument processing, which delayed the start of the 14 day license suspension.
In hindsight, if I really pleaded I may have gotten to reduce it even further.
Fearsome Forehand
Professional
Seems a just outcome for a first offense with no injuries. It also seems you learned your lesson which is the whole point of ticketing and fines.
How many points did you pick up?
In the future, remember what Bill Murray told the ground hog about driving. ;o)
How many points did you pick up?
In the future, remember what Bill Murray told the ground hog about driving. ;o)
The case hasn't really changed my driving too much.
Actually, I conciously pay more attention to the speed.
I have slight attention problem, often lose track of speed.
I never really went more than 10~15 mph above the speed limits on highway only when it is open.
It is basically still how I drive. I don't speed to cut people off.
Some people will probably criticize me for speeding on open highway especially after what happened. My hats off to you for strictly abiding by the law. I really hope you don't J-walk in the middle of the night when there are no cars on the street...
Also, to people who criticized me for trying to justfy my action with personal problems. I never tried to justified my action with them. My action was the consequence of my distraction to my perosnal problems and stress.
I suppose you never let your temper, emotions, or problems get in your way, not even a single bit?
Not being sarcastic, that's an admirable trait always to remain rational...
Actually, I conciously pay more attention to the speed.
I have slight attention problem, often lose track of speed.
I never really went more than 10~15 mph above the speed limits on highway only when it is open.
It is basically still how I drive. I don't speed to cut people off.
Some people will probably criticize me for speeding on open highway especially after what happened. My hats off to you for strictly abiding by the law. I really hope you don't J-walk in the middle of the night when there are no cars on the street...
Also, to people who criticized me for trying to justfy my action with personal problems. I never tried to justified my action with them. My action was the consequence of my distraction to my perosnal problems and stress.
I suppose you never let your temper, emotions, or problems get in your way, not even a single bit?
Not being sarcastic, that's an admirable trait always to remain rational...
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Fearsome Forehand
Professional
He was going downhill. ;o)
So, how many points do you get for doing 109 in a 65? How much was the fine?
Pretty much everyone speeds to some degree except old ladies and very timid drivers.
Particularly during rush hour, I'd get blown off the road if I drove the posted limit in certain areas. I try to drive safely at all times and hopefully I'm not the one the cop arbitrarily selects from the other thousands going 5 or 10 over.
The funny thing is many cops tend to completely ignore traffic laws.
So, how many points do you get for doing 109 in a 65? How much was the fine?
Pretty much everyone speeds to some degree except old ladies and very timid drivers.
Particularly during rush hour, I'd get blown off the road if I drove the posted limit in certain areas. I try to drive safely at all times and hopefully I'm not the one the cop arbitrarily selects from the other thousands going 5 or 10 over.
The funny thing is many cops tend to completely ignore traffic laws.
Don't listen to those self-righteous clowns, Junbumkim. I'm glad it wasn't too drastic an outcome for you.
See you on the highway!
Be careful what you wish for-.
I might be in another yet disastrous mood and zoom by you at 120 this time.
haha
Phil
Hall of Fame
I've been away for a bit...work and all that, so it's nice to come back to...to...to a good, ole-fashioned TRAIN WRECK! And one that involves two old buddies of mine!
Keep up the good work, boys. I've got some Jiffypop on the range, beers are chilled and my seat is nice and comfy. Ahhhh...by all means...carry on, gents!
