Back to the Future with the Textreme Warrior 107

TobyTopspin

Professional
There was a very positive review conducted by the TW playtesters on this new Prince release. I've hit with it for about an hour last night and wanted to provide some feedback as well.

One reason I was interested in this stick is because of the headsize. It's the same size as my POG OS that I've used for almost two decades. While looking at the stats on this stick you may misjudge the intended player that would benefit from this frame. Let me put this to rest really quick. This stick can be used by any level player.

In a way, Prince as went 'Back to the Future' with this new release. This is not one of of those huge headed senior light sticks. To me, this is much like the original POG OS release from back in the 70s. It is a stick that makes the game a little easier for players, but still has attributes that higher level players will enjoy.

First off, the head is 107, but the head shape is not the same as the POG OS. It is a little more oval verses the wider POG OS shape. The sweet spot is very generous in size with only the areas closer to the frame results in a thinner feeling response.

The weight is 11.2 ounces with a swing weight of 317 with a balance of 7pts headlight according to TW's measurements. The stick I was using was in that range, but the swing weight felt heavier to me than 317. It felt more like a 320 to 325 sw to me, but that's not really that far off from TW's stats.

The racquet was strung with 17g Prince Premier Control at 57 lbs. and produced an easily controllable ball. From the baseline, I was getting plenty of spin and nice plow from the stick. My shots felt heavy and were penetrating the court with easy depth. I had no issues hitting shorter wide shots either. I could hit loopy high topspin shots as well as skidding slices without any issues. Flatter shots were easy to pull off as well and control was never an issue.

The comfort of the larger head and frame flex make this stick a winner with players with arm problems. Somehow Prince was able to get this lighter stick to have close to the same solid feel as the POG OS!!!!! For players that crave old school feel with the added forgiveness of modern technology, this stick may be for you!

Volleys were very easy to snap away and touch volleys were very easily controlled as well. All of this with a stick that immediately made me feel like I was playing my best. This stick is so forgiving while still maintaining great ball feel. It seems the best of two worlds has finally been realized. The stability was spot on as well. I do not remember ever feeling the racquet wanting to turn in my hand from a mishit and I know there were some because I could feel the thinner contact of the ball contacting the frame closer to the edge of the stick. You just don't get that type of feel from larger headed sticks now days.

Serves had generous pop and I could easily move the ball around the box. Spin servers were equally accurate and head high kickers were the norm without very much effort at all.

Defensive situations, a way I always judge sticks, was off the charts compared to most of the sticks I normally play with. I could easily turn a mad scramble into a neutral ball to reset the point or if I had a little more time an outright winner. The swing weight and maneuverability is certainly much easier for me that my POG OS are.

Now the question comes, will I switch to this stick full time? I'll be honest. No, I won't switch from my POGs, but it's not for any other reason than the financial payout. I just don't feel like paying for three new sticks right now. In the future, if I find a good deal on a few of these, I will not hesitate to take the plunge as it does everything that I feel a modern version of my POG OS should be.

I know that the trend to shun Prince and use stiffer and harsher feeling sticks that the Pro's are using, but Prince has a few real winners with these new Textreme releases. I have loved everyone I have tried. Hopefully players will give these a try. I highly doubt you will be disappointed.
 
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The_Racketeer

Professional
Great review Toby. It's funny, the notion that the Textreme Warrior 107 was the successor to the POG OS never even entered my mind. I have a Warrior 100 and just assumed the TXT 107 was the bigger and more powerful version, now with grommets, but still a power stick for those needing that type of racquet.

Now, I'm intrigued. Now, I want to demo it. Thanks....I already had a lengthy to-demo list.
 

TobyTopspin

Professional
Toby, where do you get grommet strips for your POGs?

I actually only have two spares right now. I have eight POGs but have retired a few over the years due to cracking. I really need to see if I can find some, but these sticks are really easy to find on the bay for a good price as well. I've bought some as cheaply as $20.

If I eventually end up not having grommets for an adaquate number of sticks, I guess I'll move to another stick. It's hard for me to image that occurring. I'm always trying out different sticks, always use my POGs when it counts.

I bought my two sets that I have now years ago. I do believe I got them from TW when they used to sell the 'Tour Graphite' version.
 
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JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Great review. Sounds like something I might like. I was a big fan of the Warrior 100 and Warrior 100 Pro. Have you ever tried either of those? I am hesitant about the 107" headsize becaus OS racquets can sometimes feel clumsy and bulky.
 

TobyTopspin

Professional
Great review. Sounds like something I might like. I was a big fan of the Warrior 100 and Warrior 100 Pro. Have you ever tried either of those? I am hesitant about the 107" headsize becaus OS racquets can sometimes feel clumsy and bulky.

Jack, I've hit with everything Prince. I guess the stiffness level is close to the Warrior 100 and 100 Pro at about 67, but it felt like a different type of stick to me. I wouldn't worry about the headsize being listed at 107. If someone had told me that the head size was 100 I would not have questioned them. It's very maneuverable. One of my issues with my POG OS is that it is a little clumsy feeling, but this new Textreme 107 isn't remotely like that for me. The TW testers also noted that it was a maneuverable stick. It's certainly worth a demo.
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
Nice review Toby. The play testers really had nothing but good things to say about it. They scored control at 79, everything else was 80 or better. The numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt, but they can give you a general picture. There have been very few racquets that have scored 80 or better in every category.

But, your comments basically echo the playtester's. Controllable power, comfortable, good slice and topspin, excellent stability and maneuverability. It definitely sounds like a stick worth checking out.

I've actually had some interest in the Warrior 100. Perhaps I will get around to trying one or both at some point.
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
I've actually had some interest in the Warrior 100. Perhaps I will get around to trying one or both at some point.

I have the Warrior 100 and it's a great racquet. Plenty of power and spin. While it's no 18x20 control stick, it's certainly no ball sprayer. It does have a very muted, soft feel which I know some people dislike. It's very easy on the arm.

Jack, I've hit with everything Prince. I guess the stiffness level is close to the Warrior 100 and 100 Pro at about 67, but it felt like a different type of stick to me.

From what I've heard, the Textreme racquets have a unique firmness that isn't truly represented by the RA numbers. While both have similar RAs, the TXT 107 should play with more stability and crispness than the 100, yet still retain the arm-friendliness we've come to expect from Prince's racquets.
 
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JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Hey Toby...your post peeked my interest so I got to hit with the Warrior 107 today for an hour. Very impressed. I pretty much agree with everything you said in your first post. I could take this thing into battle immediately without any hesitation. First thing I noticed was how easy it was to hit with depth. This stick works great for my style of play, which is to get everything back, with variety. My demo was strung with a full black poly, but it still felt very plush and comfortable. Power was pretty easy to come by, by I learned how to control it. The racquet felt lighter than the 317 sw and I would love to see how it played with some added weight, although I would fear weight in the hoop might make it too powerful. So easy to defend with and shots on the run or stretched out were easy to get back into play. Only challenge with this racquet would be dialing in the power.

Eager to try it again and see how it performs in a match situation. I also didn't get to hit any serves with it or try anything other than groundies. The 107 headsize didn't bother me at all and it didn't appear much larger than most 100"s.
I think Prince has a winner with this one and it should appeal to the Prince Red 105 crowd and most 3.5 rec players and above.
 
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TobyTopspin

Professional
Hey Toby...your post peeked my interest so I got to hit with the Warrior 107 today for an hour. Very impressed. I pretty much agree with everything you said in your first post. I could take this thing into battle immediately without any hesitation. First thing I noticed was how easy it was to hit with depth. This stick works great for my style of play, which is to get everything back, with variety. My demo was strung with a full black poly, but it still felt very plush and comfortable. Power was pretty easy to come by, by I learned how to control it. The racquet felt lighter than the 317 sw and I would love to see how it played with some added weight, although I would fear weight in the hoop might make it too powerful. So easy to defend with and shots on the run or stretched out were easy to get back into play. Only challenge with this racquet would be dialing in the power.

Eager to try it again and see how it performs in a match situation. I also didn't get to hit any serves with it or try anything other than groundies. The 107 headsize didn't bother me at all and it didn't appear much larger than most 100"s.
I think Prince has a winner with this one and it should appeal to the Prince Red 105 crowd and most 3.5 rec players and above.

You summed up my thoughts perfectly Jack. I'm glad you enjoyed the stick. I certainly think that it could certainly add consistency to a lot of players games. Players can think less about generating power and more about placement, adding variety, and constructing points.

Since you're from the ATL (Go Hawks!!!), I think this would be the perfect doubles players stick. It would be great for the weekend warrior types that live and breath ALTA dubs.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
You summed up my thoughts perfectly Jack. I'm glad you enjoyed the stick. I certainly think that it could certainly add consistency to a lot of players games. Players can think less about generating power and more about placement, adding variety, and constructing points.

Since you're from the ATL (Go Hawks!!!), I think this would be the perfect doubles players stick. It would be great for the weekend warrior types that live and breath ALTA dubs.

Yes I am a HUGE Hawks fan and have been loving this year. Can't wait for the playoffs! What part of North Atlanta are you? You want to hit sometime?

Yes I agree. I think the Warrior 107 would be great for dub's. I do play ALTA, but also play singles about 75% of the time. I am going to demo it some more and see how it works out. I really enjoyed hitting with it and can't wait to try some more.
 

Sander001

Hall of Fame
How is it lighter but as stable as the POG? Head heavier? Stiffer? Stiffer in the right spots? Don't tell me it's the magic of the textreme! :twisted:
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
How is it lighter but as stable as the POG? Head heavier? Stiffer? Stiffer in the right spots? Don't tell me it's the magic of the textreme! :twisted:

Supposedly, yea it is. Apparently, the Textreme stiffens up the throat for increased torsional stability while still maintaining softer flex throughout the rest of the frame. At least, that's what I've read. And as Fed said, the TXT107 is a lot thicker than the POG107.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
I have a POGOS I hit with now and then, and had a demo with the Textreme Warrior 107 last month. Warrior is not nearly as stable as the POG. And the explanation of its supposed stability makes little sense to me. If you stiffen throat, it would more efficiently transmit the effects of off center hits and likely make the thing less stable, just as keeping a loose leash on your dog means fewer of his movements are transmitted to your arm than if you kept him on a tight leash. Trying to explain marketing hype is like trying to explain a fairy tale.
 

TobyTopspin

Professional
I have a POGOS I hit with now and then, and had a demo with the Textreme Warrior 107 last month. Warrior is not nearly as stable as the POG. And the explanation of its supposed stability makes little sense to me. If you stiffen throat, it would more efficiently transmit the effects of off center hits and likely make the thing less stable, just as keeping a loose leash on your dog means fewer of his movements are transmitted to your arm than if you kept him on a tight leash. Trying to explain marketing hype is like trying to explain a fairy tale.

Of course it's not as stable as the POG, but few sticks are. For it's weight it is stable, plus it's much more manuverable than the POG. There are trade offs of course.

As far a technology, I don't really get into that stuff. Only two advents over the past few years have really been felt by me (ports, new spin sticks). I just play with a stick and determine how I like it.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
I have a POGOS I hit with now and then, and had a demo with the Textreme Warrior 107 last month. Warrior is not nearly as stable as the POG. And the explanation of its supposed stability makes little sense to me. If you stiffen throat, it would more efficiently transmit the effects of off center hits and likely make the thing less stable, just as keeping a loose leash on your dog means fewer of his movements are transmitted to your arm than if you kept him on a tight leash. Trying to explain marketing hype is like trying to explain a fairy tale.

not the best analogy IMO.

the throat is attached to the hoop, so if you stiffen up the throat, it should make everything attached to it more stable.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Of course it's not as stable as the POG, but few sticks are. For it's weight it is stable, plus it's much more manuverable than the POG. There are trade offs of course.

As far a technology, I don't really get into that stuff. Only two advents over the past few years have really been felt by me (ports, new spin sticks). I just play with a stick and determine how I like it.

Hey you never answered my previous questions.....
Where in Atlanta are you and do you want to try and get together and hit?
Also, what level are you now playing?
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
Carbon is really only strong in tension. The Textreme weave has carbo weaved at 90 degree angles. This is then put in the throat at a 45 degree angle with the idea that it will have better torsional rigidity (won't twist), while still having flex as we like to think of it - back as we strike the ball. Because the Textreme weave is at a 45 degree angle to that type of flex it won't seem as stiff in that direction.

Layup direction of carbon can massively change the feel/performance.

My textreme (95) is on the way...
 

TobyTopspin

Professional
Hey you never answered my previous questions.....
Where in Atlanta are you and do you want to try and get together and hit?
Also, what level are you now playing?

Hi Jack,

Sorry, I missed your comments.

I'm in the Cumming area. I'm a USTA 5.0 player, but I hardly play tournaments or leagues anymore. I play a few tournaments from time to time, but my playing time is mostly coaching and hitting sessions with advanced juniors.

As far as hitting sometimes, I have a fairly booked schedule now that the weather is getting warmer. I much more free time in the cooler months.
 

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
Hi Jack,

Sorry, I missed your comments.

I'm in the Cumming area. I'm a USTA 5.0 player, but I hardly play tournaments or leagues anymore. I play a few tournaments from time to time, but my playing time is mostly coaching and hitting sessions with advanced juniors.

As far as hitting sometimes, I have a fairly booked schedule now that the weather is getting warmer. I much more free time in the cooler months.

OK thanks. I wasn't aware you were a coach and such an advanced player.
I will be moving up to Roswell next month, which is about 20 mins from Cumming.
 
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