Baghdatis racist?
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rounick
Semi-Pro
Boy,you are a sad sad person.I bet the picture in your avatar IS you.Which of course would explain a lot.
So because I don't feel like I "owe" Truman,that makes me a communist?!??
Is your last name McCarthy?Are you Phil McCarthy?
Like almost all Greeks,no one has to teach me my history PHOOL,I was told my history by my parents and my grandparents who lived and died my history,who were there,while you actually believe the US got into the war to save the world,alone,with no one's help,which makes YOU Phool,the ungrateful ass-wipe.
Ze Germans,(since the other word is for some inexplicable reason banned..) were not even supposed to invade Greece,the Italians (Mussolini) were expected to get it over with themselves,but since they got their asses handed to them ,German troops were deployed,and yes,finally occupied most of Greece,but not without one HELL of a fight.
BTW,can the Turks say that?..
Things could have turned out very different if Greece,small Greece,had surrendered as they expected.Now they had to fight the Russian front with less troops and in the winter.
You talk a lot about other people being nationalists,but you are the biggest one of all.
RAMBO 2 your favourite movie,right?
When Greece WAS fighting,USA was not even IN the war.You were figuring things out,you know,minding your own business,making little pros and cons lists,while millions were dying.But oh,thank God for the USA,saving the day.
"What if this" and "what if that"...Who cares,who knows what if,is that your silencing argument?
Truth is Phool,a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.After all these years still trying to pick up fights on a tennis board about,well ANYTHING really,anything but tennis which you most probably don't even play,you should know that by now.And while you type pretty well for a guy using just one hand (...),everyone in here knows you don't know sh1t from shoe polish.Btw,calling people names is not,I repeat NOT an argument,when you don't have any real ones.
Stop polluting this board with your rude,mindless,misinformed bs,and just go do your inflatable "girlfriend" some more.
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Phil
Hall of Fame
Roudick- You don't have to "owe" Truman. He did what he did so you don't have to owe ANYONE. I lived in Greece and I talked to the grandmas and mamas there and I know that talking about history there goes nowhere, because all I ever heard was a load of anti-American garbage. And they even tried to pull down the Truman statue! Ingrates.
The USA entered the war late because it many people in Congress felt that the country shouldn't suffer (again) for the typical European murderfest that seemed to happen ever couple decades. Of course, the USA DID support the USSR and the UK through Land Lease...enough so to keep those two countries in the war. But we all know that little Greece stopped the Germans cold and ensured that they would lose the war. In fact, I'm sure the country would have won the war without the help of the USA and USSR. These are the tall tales that are told in the Balkans. Actually, as I said above, it was TITO and the Yugoslavs that stopped the Germans and caused them to delay the invasion of the USSR.
But these things always get bogged down in filthy nationalism and the lies and propaganda that pass for "history". Go read a book...I mean a real book, Roundick. Oh, and the comments about my or my avatar's appearance and other personal stuff...that tells me that you have nothing here. As usual. Typical uneducated punk.
Iced_jacob
Semi-Pro
The problem with you is that you think that small countries could do more in front of the Germans. Well they couldn't! And that's not their fault!
Greece has always been your toy in the Balcans and that's why people there hate you! When you need something from Greece you are there, when not you just dissappear for a while and afterwards you support the Turks. Your politics is more about business and money rather than patriotic feelings...Not surprised though coz you ve NEVER lost anything in a war, never had innocent death people, refugees, people missing for more than 30 years, women *****, childern killed, poverty, economic destruction. This is what people in Cyprus suffered and are still suffering since 1974 and I don't give a sh1t what an American sitting behind his computer says about that. Just don't give people the wrong impression for stuff u don't even have a clue. If you get a real gun and shoot a bullet you ll probably **** our pants so don't give me lessons about nationalism...I love my country, I m proud of my nation and I have a million reasons to do that and I don't have to thank anybody
Phil
Hall of Fame
I never brought up the issue of "small coutries"; others here did, along with distortions and lies about MY country. I never said that I supported the invasion of Cyprus or that Bags is a "racist". Someone else did.
You love your country? You're prepared to defend it? Well whoopee doo. Guess what, so do I and if someone tries to pull the crap that I've heard here, I'm gonna at least say something.
I never said or agreed with any of this crap. Take your nationalist tripe and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Nationalism is the foreign relations equivalent to haveing a small one. This is why the people in that region continue to kill each other. Tribalism is a hogwash.
Iced_jacob
Semi-Pro
The thing is that your views are what you ve been taught in your country and at some cases your education will never give you the full picture...They ll never tell you our country killed innocent people...They ll never tell you that Kissinger backet the Turks to invade Cyprus...etc
rounick
Semi-Pro
Passing humourless irony for argument,yet again..
It was you-as usual-Phool who started the name-calling and blind insulting so don't pretend to be all offended and surprised.
You lived in Greece you say.And all you heard from "the granmas" was "a load of anti-American garbage".
Well guess what,you will find that almost anywhere you go,most of the times for good reason.And talking about history "goes nowhere" everywhere.
But don't even try to pass it like Greeks are all anti-American and stuff.You lived in Greece and heard aaaaaall that anti-American "garbage",but you failed to notice everyone wearing Levi's and Ralph Lauren,smoking Marlboros,eating Big Macs,talking to Motorola phones,playing tennis with (made in China..)Head racquets listening to Nirvana,driving Jeep Wranglers and watching Friends?...
Truth is,Greeks LOVE America.
They just don't like American foreign policy over the years and have good reasons to,which is a bit of an irony,considering Greece is a NATO ally and the USA's biggest bar none buyer in fighter planes and weapons..
You talking about the 67-74 junta makes me laugh.Even Clinton had to apologize for that when he visited.Everyone knows how that came to happen and what interests were served.Even American writers,like Hitchens have got it right.After those times,how could anyone not be anti-American (government)?
So,it was Tito who made the difference then?!?That's a new one..
Kudos to Truman,no objection.
But "saved your butt"???What are you,8?..
Countries and people are not monopoly ponds for a couple of tired old men with moustaches smoking cigars to pass around you know ,but that's the arrogant and nationalist view you have of history and the world,Phool,that's what your "education" and Chuck Norris films have taught you.
YOU are the real nationalist.And you don't even know it.
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Pro_Tour_630
Legend
the issue is not Marcos baghdatis the tennis player it is the identity MARK BAGHDADI, BTW it was his Lebanese father that wanted him to play tennis his mother wanted nothing to do with tennis, asked if they would go through the hardship of not being with their son again they said never will the go through it again.
ANyway, marcos is only 21, life is longer than that I would hope, and longer than a short tennis career which will end at most 30, so he has less than 10 years left to be the best greek-cypriote in the world
What if after his tennis he went back to Lebanon and reunited with his family got a Lebanese passport because it is his right from his father, married a Lebanese, loved lebanon so much that he stayed there with his Lebanese children for the rest of his life. Cyprus is only 15 minutes by plane from Lebanon and much closer to Lebanon than mainland greece and they speak more french in Lebanon than Greece. What I am saying, you can not change his identity, he has a 'Syrian" identity.Anyway, the real question, not sure what REALLY happened to Christian (marcos father) to have left Lebanon and his family for good never to return, which is only 15 minutes a stone throw away from Lebanon.
I asked marcos's coach Patric if marcos at least recognizes his Lebanese identity and he said yes he does.
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Phil
Hall of Fame
You simply don't "get" it.
No, I noticed, which is the hypocrisy of this type of anti-Americanism in most countries that claim to hate the USA. They claim they hate us, but they love our lifestyle, but they won't acknowledge this, not to MY face. This is just blind materialism-if the crap they bought came from France, so be it, but no one "loved" us. "Friends" didn't exist when I lived there, under a corrupt, cheating, corrupt socialist government that was paid off by both local and Arab terrorists and was ELECTED on the basis of its anti-Americanism. It was the government's policy to PUSH this agenda, because it's what kept the government in power.
Oh, great-thanks for letting me know NOW. However, for some reason I didn't "feel the love" in Athens (outside of Athens, yes, people were great). As a NON-American, this is not something that you would ever know about. Believe me, the first (and only) bombs I've ever heard went off in my neighborhood, and they were targeted at cars owned by AMERICANS. I'm not gonna get into why you are wrong here, or what happened while I was there. I've visited and lived in other countries and have NEVER experienced what I did in Greece. Despite that, I enjoyed my time there. I just hated the politics and the insecurity.
A lot of countries don't like US foreign policy, and often for good reason. But Greece was never much of an "ally"-they have been the most non-cooperative NATO "ally" of all of the countries in NATO. Greece is NOT the biggest client of US fighter planes, but we welcome their business all the same.
When did I talk about this, other than to say that the junta was the same group who took over Cyprus too. I did not say it was RIGHT in doing what it did. Hitchins is British (with phony US citizenship no) and an apologist for the neo-cons and Bush, so after trying to convince me that it's all about US foreign policy, why would you bring up THAT wh-ore?
Tito didn't make THE difference; he made A difference. Anyone who picked up a weapon in anger or defense against the Germans..."made a difference". So why LIE and overinflate about Greece's contribution to the War. Oh, because you're just parroting the lies you've been fed.
I have to be mindful of the average age of the people with whom I'm discussing this.
Unfortunately, that has been the REALITY of history. Brits, French, Americans, Russians, Japanese...they've all treated the world like this. I don't agree with it, but that's how great nations were built-by stealing off of other nations. Deal with it.
News to me.
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norcal
Legend
This is an interesting thread but your quote above makes you lose any credibility whatsoever. Relying on relatives (with a big axe to grind) as your historical source then calling other people's views ignorant?
Sad.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
kinda got the same feeling. its funny cause hes not winning the argument at all but he wont quit. neither will the other greeks on this site. no one said greece sucks or is a walk over phil is simply saying that other countries did more during ww2 thats it. without the involment of the US ww2 would have gone very differently and to argue that would be dumb. we helped europe alot fighting off germany and freeing countries only to have the some of those countries tell us we did nothing to help and it was all them. we gave how many lives to help people over there only to get slapped in the face by some.
sharks195
New User
a hell of a lot more than you will ever have though phil.
sharks195
New User
the issue is not Marcos baghdatis the tennis player it is the identity MARK BAGHDADI, BTW it was his Lebanese father that wanted him to play tennis his mother wanted nothing to do with tennis, asked if they would go through the hardship of not being with their son again they said never will the go through it again.
ANyway, marcos is only 21, life is longer than that I would hope, and longer than a short tennis career which will end at most 30, so he has less than 10 years left to be the best greek-cypriote in the world
Anyway, the real question, not sure what REALLY happened to Christian (marcos father) to have left Lebanon and his family for good never to return, which is only 15 minutes a stone throw away from Lebanon.
I asked marcos's coach Patric if marcos at least recognizes his Lebanese identity and he said yes he does.
i'm not arguing with you, i agree that he is of lebanese and cypriot descent, but eh has chosen to represent cyprus, so he is entitled to argue the military occupation of cyprus as a citizen, so enough said get over the video everyone.
Phil
Hall of Fame
Thanks, Maverick. Good comments, which remind me of a quote by an American secretary of state during the Johnson administration, Dean Rusk. In the 1960's France decided to pull out of NATO and DeGaulle ordered all US servicemen out of France. Rusk said to DeGaulle, "Does that include the dead Americans buried in French military cemetaries?"
While the comment applies to another European country, it is very apt in summing up how our European "cousins" think of us, and what short historical memories, if any, they have.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
America got involved in WW2 because the Japanese attacked and Germany declared war on it. It was involved not out of any altruism and nor should it have been. It was not helping anyone, it was defending itself against attack. Churchill pleaded with the US to 'help' before Pearl Harbour and FDR refused point blank! He acted in response to Japan and Germany and out of national self-interest.
Pro_Tour_630
Legend
care to elaborate on that Arab terrorists that paid off the corrupt Socialist Greek Gov> thanks
Phil
Hall of Fame
No, I don't.
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DY3K1D
Rookie
i totally agree. not setting a good example in my opinion
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
To gj011:
Earlier in this thread I came down on you for a spelling error. This is not my usual habit - I come down on trolls, on people who fail to follow the TW guidelines and those who stubbornly refuse to use the search function. I am usually less than impressed when people make derogatory comments to and about the female gender, those who are rude to others unnecessarily and let's not forget the "I'm so much smarter than you" posts that litter this forum. Very, very seldom do I ever make a nasty comment to someone on their spelling, punctuation, etc. I have a lot of respect for those who have learned a second language and make the effort to communicate with others in the native language of this forum. My post to you was rude and disrespectful and for that I sincerely apologize. I initially meant the post as a joke but soon realized (by your reaction) that it was offensive and I humbly take back my words. No one has spoken to me regarding this, I make this admission of my own free will - regardless of how this little interaction affected you (if at all), it has bothered me since as that is not the kind of person I am. I hope you get a chance to see this - whether you forgive my thoughtlessness is entirely up to you but insulting an ESL is simply not okay in my book. Take care.
Earlier in this thread I came down on you for a spelling error. This is not my usual habit - I come down on trolls, on people who fail to follow the TW guidelines and those who stubbornly refuse to use the search function. I am usually less than impressed when people make derogatory comments to and about the female gender, those who are rude to others unnecessarily and let's not forget the "I'm so much smarter than you" posts that litter this forum. Very, very seldom do I ever make a nasty comment to someone on their spelling, punctuation, etc. I have a lot of respect for those who have learned a second language and make the effort to communicate with others in the native language of this forum. My post to you was rude and disrespectful and for that I sincerely apologize. I initially meant the post as a joke but soon realized (by your reaction) that it was offensive and I humbly take back my words. No one has spoken to me regarding this, I make this admission of my own free will - regardless of how this little interaction affected you (if at all), it has bothered me since as that is not the kind of person I am. I hope you get a chance to see this - whether you forgive my thoughtlessness is entirely up to you but insulting an ESL is simply not okay in my book. Take care.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
I think your reaction was warranted given my little attack out of the blue. Thank you for accepting my apology - let's move on with a clean slate.
Pro_Tour_630
Legend
then there are no "Arab Terrorists"
whatever that may be , that paid off the corrupt socialists (like yourself) Greek Gov.
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Good for Baghdatis. What he said is not racist. If the Turks taken over half his country he has the right to tell them to get out. It shows he has an interest and is proud of where he is from beside Tennis. That is more that can be said about a lot of the other players. Just look at all those players refussing to play Davis Cup for their country - because it do not fit into their schedule.
Phil
Hall of Fame
Sure there were. Absolutely. I was there. I know. You don't.then there are no "Arab Terrorists"
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
Where is the link to this research MC, and couldn't you simply post the link as opposed to placing the entire article in the thread?
Phil
Hall of Fame
Are you illiterate? In my post I mentioned BOTH Arab and local terrorists (i.e. November 17). You obviously read only what you want. Learn how to read English.I am not defending arab terrorists, they are scum, So arab terrorists were responsible for the greek GOv being elected and responsible for all the ani americanism that you have witness there personally since you have lived there
Thanks for the research, but I don't need Wikipedia to tell me what I lived and worked through. I am familiar with the history.
I'm not going to point out anything to you-it's not appropriate to discuss the details on this message board. You either buy it or don't; I don't care if mentioning the word "Arab" in conjunction with the word "terrorist" ruffles your feathers.
Pro_Tour_630
Legend
just wanted to highlight the important parts that there were many other terrorist groups not just Arab terrorists that Phil is desperately pointing to
http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/1999/issue2/jv3n2a4.html
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wow,
i joined ta learn and chat about tennis and for free I learn all of this.
checked out this stuff online and here is my simple mans observation.
Bhagdatis (name means man from Baghdad by the way) is Cypriot NOT Greek.
Cypriots are ethnically mostly greek or turkish but there are others. Cyprus is a British commenwealth and before that was a British colony. Before that was owned by the Templars, Venice etc etc..... ie NOT Greek OR Turkish!
When Turkey invaded it did NOT invade a Greek island but an independent island and the people of that country , the Cypriots, I do NOT think would be considered `racists' for wanting Turks, I think they mean the invading mainland Turks and NOT their Cypriot Turk brothers out of Cyprus.
From the cypriots point of view I think they would have been just as mad had the Greeks invaded or the Egyptians or whomever, especially considering their history with people buying the island , trading it all the while its inhabited population having no say in it at all.
Man I luv Wikipedia.......
anyways everyone should go out and buy a iPrestige cause it rules!!!!!
i joined ta learn and chat about tennis and for free I learn all of this.
checked out this stuff online and here is my simple mans observation.
Bhagdatis (name means man from Baghdad by the way) is Cypriot NOT Greek.
Cypriots are ethnically mostly greek or turkish but there are others. Cyprus is a British commenwealth and before that was a British colony. Before that was owned by the Templars, Venice etc etc..... ie NOT Greek OR Turkish!
When Turkey invaded it did NOT invade a Greek island but an independent island and the people of that country , the Cypriots, I do NOT think would be considered `racists' for wanting Turks, I think they mean the invading mainland Turks and NOT their Cypriot Turk brothers out of Cyprus.
From the cypriots point of view I think they would have been just as mad had the Greeks invaded or the Egyptians or whomever, especially considering their history with people buying the island , trading it all the while its inhabited population having no say in it at all.
Man I luv Wikipedia.......
anyways everyone should go out and buy a iPrestige cause it rules!!!!!
stav_babolat
Rookie
Allow me to clarify something for you: There are 2 types of turks on the island.
1)The nasty, illegal immigrants that stormed the island since 1974. (this includes the disgusting troops aswell)
2) the friendly, peaceful turkish CYPRIOTS that have lived there for like you said 400 years.
Now, what baghdatis and every cypriot wants, is the turks that invaded and stole half of the island ( number 1) to go. He and every other greek cypriot doesnt have any problem with the historic turkish cypriots.
The greek cypriots and true turkish cypriots get along very well, and guess what?
ITS THE NASTY ILLEGAL TURKS FROM TURKEY THAT NO GREEK CY[RIOT LIKES. OH AND 1 MORE THING,
EVEN THE FRIENDLY TURKISH CYPRIOTS DONT WANT TURKS ON THE ISLAND.
so , basically get your facts straight before you make accusations like this. We dont want every turk descendant off the island, because like you said, there are many peaceful turkish cypriots that dont even class themselves as turks deserve to stay. Its just the immigrant turks that have come recently that need to go.
Oh , and 1 more thing, the actual flag of cyprus was designed by a turkish cypriot, so that shows the harmony both kinds of cypriots have together.
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TsongaBonga
Rookie
I think it's alright. The turks live in Turkey and the Cypriots live in Cyprus. And if turkey's country suck then it's not Cypruses problem. It's like England now, I hear they are getting invaded by polish and Iranians who live 7 to a room lol!
katastrof
Rookie
You should learn to read the entire thread before posting. Read my other posts on this thread and leave me alone.
CityHeightsTennis
Rookie
i don't think Baghdatis is racist... he seems to be a very kind guy and all...of course when anyone in the world is ticked-off everyone gets a little frustrated...but overall Maros is a good guy IMO.......
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