Ball abuse Mr. Federer

TimHenmanATG

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Step aside, Nick FAKEios, as an OG ATP bad boy is back in town!

This shudderingly violent act of ball abuse signals the return of Littlesatanerer.
 
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OhYes

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Maybe, maybe not. But I don't like the fact he was arguing it. This grumpy Fed is not what I want to see. Not good for his play.
Well it's not nice to watch but anyone would argue, this is really strange thing to see what umpire did.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Too much talk about a point which didn't have any affect on the outcome of the match. Federer won that game anyway.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.

time_fly

Hall of Fame
Depends on where the ball ended up. If it went into the stands or hit an official then he deserves the penalty even if it wasn't hit hard. Fed in that situation should have been worrying about his play more than the officiating.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Depends on where the ball ended up. If it went into the stands or hit an official then he deserves the penalty even if it wasn't hit hard. Fed in that situation should have been worrying about his play more than the officiating.

If it actually hit someone that would automatically be a match forfeit I think. The ump did say something about hitting it in the stands, so I think Fed got lucky it didn't hit someone cuz that would have been it. I've seen a few players hit a ball down and have it barely tap a person around the court or an official and get the match called.
 

vive le beau jeu !

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Depends on where the ball ended up.
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... should the umpire be shapovaloved for that ? :unsure:
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
Might be the worst point penalty ever given, at least from what I can remember. So if I'm correct it's because he hit one ball into the net earlier (is that not allowed?) and because he softly hit this ball into the air but it apparently landed outside of the court since Fed miss-hit it. Honestly hard to believe personal feelings weren't involved here, since Fed was arguing with the umpire on the previous changeover.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
If it actually hit someone that would automatically be a match forfeit I think. The ump did say something about hitting it in the stands, so I think Fed got lucky it didn't hit someone cuz that would have been it. I've seen a few players hit a ball down and have it barely tap a person around the court or an official and get the match called.
Wouldn't have been a match forfeit. The ball just fluffed up into the air, so if it would've gone into the stands (which would surprise me a LOT seeing how Fed hit it) someone would've just caught it.
 
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Chadalina

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Shouldn't be point deducted, maybe a warning

Had to be his 2nd of the match, anyone know what got him the first?

I agree with the infraction. Imagine if Dr Ivo hit all the balls into the stands to get new balls on his serve.
 

jm1980

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If it actually hit someone that would automatically be a match forfeit I think. The ump did say something about hitting it in the stands, so I think Fed got lucky it didn't hit someone cuz that would have been it. I've seen a few players hit a ball down and have it barely tap a person around the court or an official and get the match called.
It's always a judgement call. The code doesn't say "ball/racquet hits person, it's an automatic default" (although many spectators and even tennis commentators seem to be believe so).

This comes up every time a player hits or almost hits someone... But it's up to the umpire/referee. If you go and shapovalov someone, then yeah, it should be a DQ on the spot. But if that ball Fed hit happened to touch someone? Nah.

The warning (and subsequent point penalty) here were excessive. And I don't even like Fed
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
It's always a judgement call. The code doesn't say "ball/racquet hits person, it's an automatic default" (although many spectators and even tennis commentators seem to be believe so).

This comes up every time a player hits or almost hits someone... But it's up to the umpire/referee. If you go and shapovalov someone, then yeah, it should be a DQ on the spot. But if that ball Fed hit happened to touch someone? Nah.

The warning (and subsequent point penalty) here were excessive. And I don't even like Fed

(y) Default is always discretionary.

There is slack in the "Ball Abuse" rule as well and it was a very strict read of the rule to penalize FEDR here, IMO:

"i) Players shall not violently, dangerously or with anger hit, kick or throw a tennis ball while on the grounds of the tournament site except in the reasonable pursuit of a point during a match (including warm-up). For purposes of this rule, abuse of balls is defined as intentionally or recklessly hitting a ball out of the enclosure of the court, hitting a ball dangerously or recklessly within the court or hitting a ball with disregard of the consequences. ii) Violation of this section shall subject a player to a fine of up to $350 for each violation. In addition, if such violation occurs during a match, the player shall be penalized in accordance with the Point Penalty Schedule."

As you stated it's The Supervisor not the The Chair that can default a player during a match "either for a single violation of the Code (immediate default) or as outlined in the Point Penalty Schedule." This explains why The Supervisor (aka referee) comes out to the court to confer with The Chair before a player default.

PS, some tennis commentators don't know anything about the rules of tennis. It's not a requirement for the job. ;)
 
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TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
There’s seems to be a LOT of speculation on whether or the point deduction was fair or not. I didn’t see the match so I don’t know for a fact that it was a second violation. Some are saying it was.

If Fed broke the rules regardless of how great he may be (or some think he might not be) the chair umpire did his job. Whether we agree with the call or not is irrelevant.
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
abuse of balls is defined as intentionally or recklessly hitting a ball out of the enclosure of the court,

So, it's the "intentionally" bit that cost him a point.

It can seem hard, but what choice did Fed give the umpire ? If he had admonished Fed during the changeover without taking a point away, you people believe Fed would have accepted it ?

Me thinks he would have told him off, as he's famous for when he has an acute bout of entitlementidis.

Fed should have just told him women do much worse and see if it flies.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
The problem is lack of consistency from the umpires.

At the end of a game, hitting a ball softly like that would not result in a raised eyebrow. And I would guess more than 100 balls are hit away harder than that without getting warnings at all during a season. Not to mention screaming on court. Fognini even screamed in the middle of the point, but didn't get a warning, despite Murray pointing out how bad that was. And I fully agree with Murray there. Perhaps funny in a friendly/ exhibition match, but not in a Masters 1000 tournament.

@OhYes - exactly! The video showing Federer hitting a heavy ball that didn't result in a warning... The inconsistency is ridiculous.
 
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