Comparing Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's 3 Slam Win Seasons Sets/Won Loss

[DRII]

I wrote that nole has better results on at least 2 of 3 surfaces of all players. he has clearly better results than fed on HC and clay and by far better results than rafa on HC and grass! that's a fact. he has better h2h than rafa which is also a fact. their h2h at all is clay shewed but especially on slams. clay is only 25% on slams but they have played more than half of their slams matches in RG. 9/17 -> 53%. but only 2 times in AO -> 12% where nole has 2-0 vs rafa. their GS h2h on clay is 2-7, on HC it is 3-2 and on grass is 2-1.

You're showing how disingenuous your original post was...
Djokovic hardcourt and grass H2H slam lead is only by 1 for each of those surfaces vs Nadal. How is that 'overwhelming or by far better '?

It is shown over and over that Nadal dominates his favorite surface far more than Djokovic does his or Federer! But you all try your best to rationalize it over and over again in order to lessen its impact.

 

[SonnyT]

Plus, Nadal has the winning h2h at the slams.

Nadal and Djokovic played 9 times at RG, 8 times at the other 3 Slams combined. The only reason Nadal has a wining 2H2 at Slams.

And the reason they played so much at RG: Djokovic had an easier time tearing through the RG draws, Nadal a tougher time through AO and Wimbledon draws.

 

[DRII]

Nadal and Djokovic played 9 times at RG, 8 times at the other 3 Slams combined. The only reason Nadal has a wining 2H2 at Slams.

And the reason they played so much at RG: Djokovic had an easier time tearing through the RG draws, Nadal a tougher time through AO and Wimbledon draws.

And...

The only slam Nadal has underperformed in his career is Wimbledon. For whatever reason. He's still won it twice.

But it is what it is

 

[kevaninho]

The biggest question is, who played the more difficult opponents through their run?

That would make more interesting reading.

 

[lucky13]

You're showing how disingenuous your original post was...
Djokovic hardcourt and grass H2H slam lead is only by 1 for each of those surfaces vs Nadal. How is that 'overwhelming or by far better '?

It is shown over and over that Nadal dominates his favorite surface far more than Djokovic does his or Federer! But you all try your best to rationalize it over and over again in order to lessen its impact.

12 HC slams (+ 5 WTFs and 26 masters) is by far better than 5 HC slams (+ 0 WTFs and 10 masters)!
6 slams on grass is by far better than 2 slams on grass!

Conclusion:

nole is by far better on 2 of the 3 surfaces than rafa! and that is the fact!

 

[DRII]

12 HC slams (+ 5 WTFs and 26 masters) is by far better than 5 HC slams (+ 0 WTFs and 10 masters)!
6 slams on grass is by far better than 2 slams on grass!

Conclusion:

nole is by far better on 2 of the 3 surfaces than rafa! and that is the fact!

No one cares about the wtf! The discussion was about slam H2H.

Don't try it

 

[lucky13]

No one cares about the wtf! The discussion was about slam H2H.

Don't try it

it was not! my original post was that nole is better in terms of results on at least 2 of 3 surfaces than all other tennis players in tennis history, since we have 3 surfaces. and that he has better h2h with all relevant opponents!

I wrote exactly this:"he is the only one who is better than any other player in history on 2 of 3 surfaces. he is the only one who has positive h2h against all relevant opponents."

 

[MadariKatu]

Neatly divided into the era of Federer ('03-09), the year of Nadal ('10), and the era of Djokovic ('11-21).

The era of Djokovic 2011-2021? lol Nadal won 2 slams in 2017 and 2019, and in 2020, out of the 3 slams, he won one, got to the final in the other and skipped the third due to covid.. 2021 is, so far, Djokovic's year. but claiming that 2017-2020 has no Nadal and it's Djokovic's era... especially 2017, right?

Also, Federer's era up to 2009, but Nadal beating him in Wimbledon and AO, is just an anecdote? Or pushing him to 5 in the 2007 W?

The thing is that, regardless how you wanna interpret it, Nadal had his best years overlap with Federer's peak and then Djokovic's. And he could beat them at their peaks in their best surfaces.

 

[MadariKatu]

And...

The only slam Nadal has underperformed in his career is Wimbledon. For whatever reason. He's still won it twice.

But it is what it is

If taling about level displayed, he underperformed in all of them between 2015-2016.

If talking about how much he won, AO comes to mind. He's been a great player there, but couldn't finish it off. His worst by far finals rate.

 

[lucky13]

The era of Djokovic 2011-2021? lol Nadal won 2 slams in 2017 and 2019, and in 2020, out of the 3 slams, he won one, got to the final in the other and skipped the third due to covid.. 2021 is, so far, Djokovic's year. but claiming that 2017-2020 has no Nadal and it's Djokovic's era... especially 2017, right?

Also, Federer's era up to 2009, but Nadal beating him in Wimbledon and AO, is just an anecdote? Or pushing him to 5 in the 2007 W?

The thing is that, regardless how you wanna interpret it, Nadal had his best years overlap with Federer's peak and then Djokovic's. And he could beat them at their peaks in their best surfaces.

2011 - 2021 is noles ERA! with the exception of 2017 when he was injured! if we ignore this year, he has done this:

YE # 1: 6/9 with at least 1500p over No. 2 (3x No. 2 with less than 750p)
ITF champ: 6/8
and he is the favorite for both YE # 1 and ITF champ for this year!

19/38 slams (50%)
4/9 WTF (44%)
31/88 masters (35%)

weeks as No. 1 329/526 (63%, for the whole period 2011 - now, with a high chance that he will retain No. 1 until the end of the year)

h2h vs rafa: 23 - 11 (23-12, 2017 included)
h2h vs fed: 21 (+ WO) - 10

 

[DRII]

The era of Djokovic 2011-2021? lol Nadal won 2 slams in 2017 and 2019, and in 2020, out of the 3 slams, he won one, got to the final in the other and skipped the third due to covid.. 2021 is, so far, Djokovic's year. but claiming that 2017-2020 has no Nadal and it's Djokovic's era... especially 2017, right?

Also, Federer's era up to 2009, but Nadal beating him in Wimbledon and AO, is just an anecdote? Or pushing him to 5 in the 2007 W?

The thing is that, regardless how you wanna interpret it, Nadal had his best years overlap with Federer's peak and then Djokovic's. And he could beat them at their peaks in their best surfaces.

Exactly!

They ignore that all the time.

Nadal undoubtedly had the most difficult competition, yet st has the same amount of slams!

 

[DRII]

2011 - 2021 is noles ERA! with the exception of 2017 when he was injured! if we ignore this year, he has done this:

YE # 1: 6/9 with at least 1500p over No. 2 (3x No. 2 with less than 750p)
ITF champ: 6/8
and he is the favorite for both YE # 1 and ITF champ for this year!

19/38 slams (50%)
4/9 WTF (44%)
31/88 masters (35%)

weeks as No. 1 329/526 (63%, for the whole period 2011 - now, with a high chance that he will retain No. 1 until the end of the year)

h2h vs rafa: 23 - 11 (23-12, 2017 included)
h2h vs fed: 21 (+ WO) - 10

And the main reason that all is the case is because Murray attained ATG form in 2012 to early 13 (beating Djokovic in 2/3 slam finals), then had back surgery and never fully recovered only to have his hip go out because of the added stress.

Do you see? Federer and Nadal had already declined only to have Renaissance years afterwards (2014 or so). Djokovic vultured during that time span, which was his right, just like Federer did pre 2008!

Point is, Nadal never had any such 'easy time',yet has just as many slams.

 

[DRII]

If taling about level displayed, he underperformed in all of them between 2015-2016.

If talking about how much he won, AO comes to mind. He's been a great player there, but couldn't finish it off. His worst by far finals rate.

Yea, I was including finals. I agree with you tho...

 

[TMF]

Comparing Federer/Nadal/Djokovic's 3 Slam Win Seasons at the 3 Grand Slams They Won

Federer - 2004 - 60-7 sets win/loss 90%
Federer - 2006 - 63-8 sets won/loss 89%
Federer - 2007 60-5 sets won/loss 92%
Nadal - 2010 63-6 sets won/loss 91%
Djokovic - 2011 62-9 sets won/loss 87%
Djokovic - 2015 63-9 sets won/loss 86%
Djokovic - 2021 63-13 sets won/loss 83%

Federer undoubtedly the most dominant tennis player of all time