Curious
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I have doubts unless specifically practiced a lot.
I wonder if practicing getting to the ball without a racket and intercepting it at the right place with the front foot planted could be useful.
CRITICIZE MY ONE HANDED BACKHAND
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I wonder if practicing getting to the ball without a racket and intercepting it at the right place with the front foot planted could be useful.
Rosstour
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He has the same issue with the feet that @MyFearHand has tried to discuss with you. Too wooden, not enough happyfeet and that translates into the shot
Curious
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But there’s still something intrinsically difficult with ohbh.
Rosstour
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Of course. Hitting a drive 1H is the hardest thing in the game IMO, especially if the ball is near you (neither right to you nor far from you) and moderate pace. It's such a dynamic shot by nature that I think it's actually easier to hit under duress or during dynamic movement
ballmachineguy
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No, there’s not. There is something intrinsically difficult about you. You “cracked the code” with the front foot being down before dropping the racquet, then you quit doing it. Stick to something! What I mentioned, specifically.
Curious
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Me and the majority of the people in the world, even 90% of the most talented players in the world.
OP needs to learn to hit a backhand from scratch. NOTHING of what he's doing now works.
So... he might as well learn to hit a 2HBH. Just ask McEnroe or Federer, they'd tell you the same thing.
You're the one that can't see how OP has no clue how to do any part of the stroke. Do you think there's a chance, Lloyd?
Now can he learn how to do it? Maybe... but he's better off learning a 2HBH.
badmice2
Professional
Sorry, you obliviously didn’t read my comments to him about things he can rework to alter his execution; in which will lead to him closer to form. I guess it’s easily overlook when you dont understand technical parameters.
Or better yet, using your basis in assessment, maybe he’s better off trying something else like play pickleball.
You're very emotional about this.
Is your BH much like OP's BH? Maybe you should switch to 2HBH too!
Curious
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ballmachineguy
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Your advice sounds like regurgitation of the USPTA handbook, nothing more.
Daniel Andrade
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Daniel Andrade
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Thanks, Imma take a look at that.
Daniel Andrade
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this is already costing me half my matches
Daniel Andrade
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what's wrong with the grip? Isn't it the eastern backhand grip?
In that case, I'd start with a couple hundred ghost swings in front of a mirror. After that, I'd graduate to hand feeds.
badmice2
Professional
Whether it’s coming from PTA, PTR, USTA, LTA, Spanish Method whatever, the fact of the matter is that he can’t get to a stance he can work with to execute. We can sit here and talk about his unit turn, contact point, slot entry, etc and beat it to death, but all are irrelevant if he can’t find a stable stance to deliver. The more he moves, the more everything alters hence he can’t find any consistency.
OP shows some sign of understanding in getting to a stance; whether he gets there on time for specific executional related movement is what we’re talking about. Who knows if his perception of a contact point will change if he can set properly?
More over…if every instructional organization supports it, isn’t it worth considering?
ballmachineguy
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Not necessarily.
Yes, I have only talked about the stance. If he doesn’t fix that, he can’t fix anything else.
Curious
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badmice2
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It’s not the front foot, the whole body needs to get behind the ball by the time it bounces on his side. Once you train that, you can train swing timing to contact point.
If he doesn’t understand the movement it’s not going to matter. The ball machine won’t speed up the understanding.
People are going to argue that guys with names like Wawrinka, Federer, Gasquet, just to name a few, cross step ( right foot led, stepping across their body) to get to the ball - and “it’s totally ok to do it”. But what yall don’t talk about is the progression it took to build the movement. It’s ridiculous to assuming that anyone can learn it from the get-go. To cross step, a player needs to have control over their core rotation - going into the shot + coming out of the shot. 10,000hrs of practice just in that movement alone.
Curious
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Can you simplify it a little? You split step and now are moving to the ball. There are not hundreds of options here. Shuffle and step forward if close, cross over steps and step forward if it's a little far and run and step forward if farther. Caught unprepared, use open-semi open stance. The main difficulty for me is not to have the 'feel' as to where exactly I should intercept the ball and be ready to swing at the same time. I know how to get to the ball in a way but that's not enough unfortunately.
badmice2
Professional
- split step at the point when your opponent makes contact
- unit turn + move to line behind the ball, ideally getting to your location before/ by the time ball bounces on your side.
- anchor left foot, push off/transfer to right foot (square stance) Ideally your right foot should step towards the location your shot.
- execute your swing as the ball start rises.
The progression is to learn how to find stability with your stance to get some hip coiling/uncoiling for additional force.
Modern day shot will have you step your right across your body a bit more, forcing hip coiling action to get more power. The technique is not wrong, but a very advanced movement.
ballmachineguy
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You are pretty clueless, you know that?
badmice2
Professional
if clueless means getting validate by high performance coaches in my region, than I guess I’m clueless.
ballmachineguy
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What’s with the uncoiling of the hips? They will turn but only as a reaction to the hitting shoulder driving to contact. To mention it as a driving force of the stroke can only confuse and lead to people to trying to use the hips to bring the shoulder to contact. You have zero chance, doing that.
Other coaches? Well, good for you. I have seen dozens and dozens of videos posted by forum members on here and not a one of those video coaches understands the fh. So, thinking coaches can validate you is just plain funny.
“10,000 hours of practice” in one movement alone? That is some effective coaching you must be doing.
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Curious
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I said can you simplify it, not complicate more.
ballmachineguy
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Yeah, look how early he has his front foot down. That is still in the take back phase, not the drop. The second pic is of a guy that has a damn good one hander also. He hasn’t taken his racquet back all of the way either, but won’t move that front foot from where it is in the picture. He may move the back foot further back.
badmice2
Professional
Oh there you go again trying to serve that kool-aid from another YouTube video of some pro “making it look easy so why not me” statement. If you have so much time in had why don’t know make yourself more knowledgeable by looking up the progression on how a players should learn strokes properly instead trying to hack-a-Federer. You’re looking in the wrong places.
badmice2
Professional
Curious
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Front foot planting at the same time or before completion of take back is ideal. Does this mean if you can’t do this you should definitely not have a one hander? I don’t want to believe that’s the case. As if we’re doing everything perfectly right! Why can’t we have some flaw but still have a working one hander?
Curious
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You just keep making statements, man! You’re not really very helpful here.
ballmachineguy
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Again, start your forehand with your right foot in the air and see how it feels.
badmice2
Professional
better than you biting off some videos and making uneducated statements.
If you want easy go play pickleball.
ballmachineguy
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I didn’t say anything about being turned. They follow the feet as to how much they turn. Trying to use the hips to initiate the “move toward contact” will ruin the stroke.
Curious
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Fintft
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Yes, but I also agree with @badmice2 about progression, that's why Blake hits the 1HBH "like it's nothing" and you (plus my friend) are surprised, but I'm not.
Ripping the ball accurately, it's more difficult, but progression is important.
Can you hit 25 deep CC 1HBHs without missing?
Curious
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Even pro players with ohbh stuff up after 4-5! Even in practice.
Curious
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I don’t understand his progressions.
How’s this a progression for example?
- execute your swing as the ball start rises.
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Jono123
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It is except it ain't.
Judging by the angle of your frame at take back it looks more continental.
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Fintft
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If they rip the ball, but try to hit relaxed like Blake in practice, your normal rally ball (no more then 70%-80% max power, no less than 50% ). It's not hard to do 25 in a row without missing (as I've told you before that I do it during each weekly practice now both 1HBH and FHs).
Daniel Andrade
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I saw a pro hit it at almost match speed for like 10+ times, always deep cc in practice. INSANE level. Not even top 50
Daniel Andrade
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Eastern backhand grip is knucle on bevel 1, isn't it?
