De Facto Grass Masters

Should Queens/Halle be considered de facto Masters 1000s?

  • Yes, they deserve equal standing with other Masters 1000s (at least unofficially)

  • No, they should stay as 500s

  • They both should be demoted to 250s

  • All grass warm-up tournaments should be abolished


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Since grass is never going to get a Masters in the foreseeable future (let's face it), can we all as members of the tennis community just agree that, for all intents and purposes, Queens and Halle are de facto Masters 1000s? Wouldn't a rose by any other name smell as sweet?

Sure this is part tongue in cheek, but I really feel like those two tournaments should basically carry as much weight as other Masters tournaments when we're comparing career achievements, etc. Can't it just be like an unwritten rule within the tennis community? Ultimately we are the ones who make the rules. At least when it comes to determining a player's legacy.

So here's to grasping at straws...who's with me?!
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Love the effort, but to think you are going to get TTW to agree on this? Well, it won't. We can't even agree what is a REAL slam and what is not.
 
Love the effort, but to think you are going to get TTW to agree on this? Well, it won't. We can't even agree what is a REAL slam and what is not.
Lol right. Just thought I'd put it out into the ether and hope that it would seep into everyone's subconscious eventually.

But I realize, just like the Michigan 10 cent bottle return scam in Seinfeld (I've noticed you're a fan), it's just never going to work!
 
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OhYes

Guest
If it was Master, there would be more players playing it (not skipping) with much more effort. So it's not Master.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
If it was Master, there would be more players playing it (not skipping) with much more effort. So it's not Master.
And most importantly, there cannot be two Masters at the same time. It’s just not comparable then. I would like to see both tournaments as Masters, but as you say, all important players must play both then.
 

OldschoolKIaus

Hall of Fame
Make FO a grass tournament. Proper surface finally! FO's management isn't really on major level, so trash it down to M1000.

Halle will replace the FO as second major of the year.

Everybody wins (except for Toni N.).
 
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