Dimitrov Skipped Indian Wells?
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woodrow1029
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I find it unlikely that he would have received a wildcard into the main draw of Indian Wells, though not impossible.
Bud
Bionic Poster
He's currently ranked #70. He's the highest ranked player who decided to play another tournament. This is exactly what Wildcards are for (or should be)... since his ranking wasn't high enough at the date of the cutoff in late January.
What is the ranking cutoff for direct entry into MS1000 tournaments?
BTW, Daniel Brands at #81 is the top seed in the qualifying draw.
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BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
Pretty sure the cutoff is 64.
Raonic is levels ahead of Dmitrov at this point in time and he didn't qualify with a ranking of 37.
Not to mention, Dmitrov really isnt 'there' yet. He should continue playing challengers.
Raonic is levels ahead of Dmitrov at this point in time and he didn't qualify with a ranking of 37.
Not to mention, Dmitrov really isnt 'there' yet. He should continue playing challengers.
Bud
Bionic Poster
Raonic is in the same boat... his ranking wasn't high enough for direct entry as of Jan 25. However, he received a WC as he should have.
BTW, Dimitrov is more there than other players who are ranked lower than he and who received direct entry.
Every person on this direct entry list below Pere Riba (total of 15 players and 5 WC's) is currently ranked lower than Dimitrov.
http://www.bnpparibasopen.com/Players/Player-Landing.aspx
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I wonder if he'll play Miami or skip that as well... the cutoff date was the same as Indian Wells (Jan 25)
He'll apparently either play qualifiers or receive a WC if he decides to participate.
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Lemoned
Rookie
He could've had good results with WC. On the other hand, there's a very good chance for him to be thrown away by top players in early rounds and with a couple of good runs in challengers, which he is very capable of, he can enter many tournaments directly from now on. Also getting into a winning circle is the most crucial thing for him at the moment, I think.
Bud
Bionic Poster
There's a very good chance that Dimitrov could have won hist 1st round match with even a moderately decent draw. Doesn't a 1st round win in a MS1000 pay more $$ and award more points than a potential Challenger80 win? There is also the experience gained playing such a prestigious tournament.
Aren't there also limitations on the number of challenger points you can record for your ranking (like 250 and 500 events on the main tour)? For a win in Sarajevo, Dimitrov will receive 76 points and about $8000.
What are the chances he'll also skip Miami in favor of another challenger?
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Devilito
Hall of Fame
TBH im sure he’s just sick of playing qualifying and wants to get his ranking up for direct entry. Challengers can be good point grabs. Like 80-125 ATP points for a win. That’s pretty big. Based on that, he might skip Miami too if there is something else going. If he had direct entry I’m betting he’d be playing.
Bryan Swartz
Hall of Fame
No. How much it is worth depends on the size of the draw. At the big Masters events in IW and Miami, you get 10 points for showing up: making the second round ups that to 25. To do better than 80 points, you need to make the Round of 16.
No, and there is no limitation on the number of 250 and 500 events for players like Dimitrov either -- only for the top players. For players like him, 250/500 events are at their level or 'playing up'.
Bud
Bionic Poster
At what ranking does the limitation start?
Also, how many points are awarded for completing the qualifying and securing a spot in the main draw of a MS1000?
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A qualifier receives 12 points and about 3k
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Lemoned
Rookie
- I don't think he has that good chance to have a good run in Masters series, as you seem to think.
- http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Di/G/Grigor-Dimitrov.aspx?t=rb
Doesn't look like there's any limitation to count points from challengers.
- R1:10, R2:25, R3:45, R4:90 points in IW // SF:29, F:48, W:80 in Sarajevo
- Prize money shouldn't be the main factor for him.
IW/Miami is the biggest event of all the MS combined. It's ridiculous to skip it unless you have an injury. I think Venus should play b/c she doesn't have much time left in her career. Many low ranked players doesn’t qualify would die to have an opportunity to play this event. Too bad a few QUALIFY players take this event for granted, and ignore that it’s a mandatory.
Devilito
Hall of Fame
I don't see how he would have had more success in the US run. Those tournaments were stacked.
Bryan Swartz
Hall of Fame
Top 30 at the end of the previous year, IIRC.
Lemoned
Rookie
Just compare the fields with the others.
Rotterdam http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2011/407/mds.pdf
Marseilles http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2011/496/mds.pdf
Dubai http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2011/495/mds.pdf
San Jose http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2011/424/mds.pdf
Memphis http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2011/402/mds.pdf
Delray Beach http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2011/499/mds.pdf
ex) Marseilles is arguably the most packed 250 tourney of a year, it's even better than Memphis 500's.
Bryan Swartz
Hall of Fame
I should add that points should not be his primary motivation at this point. Points should only be a primary motivation for Top 30(or maybe even Top 20), or lower-ranked players who are ranked considerably below their playing level. Neither applies to Dimitrov.
He needs to improve, and the way for him to do that is to play a wide range of players. Getting experience in the big events(IW, Miami) is important to him and while he should be playing challengers as well, this isn't a good week to do it IMO.
He needs to improve, and the way for him to do that is to play a wide range of players. Getting experience in the big events(IW, Miami) is important to him and while he should be playing challengers as well, this isn't a good week to do it IMO.
Tennis sensation
Legend
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Lemoned
Rookie
Agree with you on both. If I'd been in his team, I would have recommended
SJ/M/DB in February and then IW/Miami in March.
colonelforbin
Rookie
I don't think he would have gotten a WC to IW and quite frankly I think he's tired of playing qualie's. He played qualifying for 2 of the 3 tournaments he entered in February, and ended up losing first round. He lost first round in the Marseille too, where he had a WC to the main draw. Granted he drew tough first-round opponents, but flying all the way to the U.S. for 2 tournaments where he could certainly be knocked out first round, and then have to fly back right away for the European clay court season... that doesn't sound very appealing to me. Wracking up near-guaraneteed points in challengers for now sounds like a good idea.
I expect him to be regularly playing ATP events by April, when his ranking should start getting direct acceptance into events.
I expect him to be regularly playing ATP events by April, when his ranking should start getting direct acceptance into events.
Fee
Legend
You don't understand because you think like a tennis fan, not like a tennis player or a tournament director. Wildcards are at the discretion of the tournament director (or the agency that owns the tournament) and he can use them for whatever the heck he wants. Raonic got the IW card because he made a splash at San Jose and Memphis. If he had lost first round of both those tournaments, he would be playing qualifying at IW.
The cut off for IW (96 player drawer with 79 direct entries) was rank #77 because two players entered with protected rankings. At the time of the entry list (Jan 25th), Dimitrov was #28 on the entry list. Dimitrov probably made the decision in January to stay in Europe, minimize his travel and play events where he could get the most matches and points. Or maybe he doesn't like playing in the desert. Or the US. Who knows. None of us are on his team, so all we can do is speculate.
Fee
Legend
I don't know, but you could look up his playing history on the ATP website if you really want to know. You might also want to check out the atp rulebook while you are there.
IW is not mandatory for him, neither is Miami if he didn't make the cutoff. I can understand why he would skip them both.
colonelforbin
Rookie
I don't believe he has played IW in the past, or any other masters for that matter.
What it comes down to is 80pts (chall. win) > 70pts (3rd round + qualies at IW), and I think the likelihood of a challenger win is higher than 3rd round at IW right now. There is always the chance he could have a breakout run at IW, but that's not something to bet on.
roundiesee
Hall of Fame
I guess he must have felt quite disappointed not to do well at ATP level events, for the moment anyway, and decided that since he has had some success at challengers, he should continue down that road. But I do agree with the OP- Grigor should have entered IW
AM95
Hall of Fame
Raonic is in the same boat... his ranking wasn't high enough for direct entry as of Jan 25. However, he received a WC as he should have.
BTW, Dimitrov is more there than other players who are ranked lower than he and who received direct entry.
Every person on this direct entry list below Pere Riba (total of 15 players and 5 WC's) is currently ranked lower than Dimitrov.
http://www.bnpparibasopen.com/Players/Player-Landing.aspx
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I wonder if he'll play Miami or skip that as well... the cutoff date was the same as Indian Wells (Jan 25)
He'll apparently either play qualifiers or receive a WC if he decides to participate.
i disagree with you. he won his previous challenger, and i think he's playing them to get some momentum and confidence back. furthermore, playing in indian wells will most likely see him exit maybe first or second round (as much as it upsets me). so its better to get some money and post a couple of W's and possibly win the sarajevo challenger.
he's doing the right thing if you ask me. he may try to get into miami if he wins sarajevo, however, i wouldn't be surprised if he just goes to the claycourts.
Buckethead
Banned
I sent him a message and he heard me.Why would he do this and play the Sarajevo Challenger instead?
IW is big points and money and with his ranking he probably could have gotten a WC into the main draw. He's currently ranked right around #70.
Somebody please tell me what I'm missing here
I told him to play challengers beat everybody, get his confidence back, play some small 250, get more match experience, more and more ranking points, get higher ranked so He doesn't have to face top 20 in the first or second rounds.
If they offer him WC then He takes it.
Probably they chose Blake instead.
sdont
Legend
You're right.
For players outside the top 30, the number of MM tournies that count for someone's ranking is only limited by the number of mandatory tournaments (GS and masters 1000 except MC) he was on the entry list of, because those are counted whatever the result obtained (meaning a 0-pointer if he does not participate).
Buckethead
Banned
Totally.
Raonic is playing like a top 20 player while Dimitrov still plays like a top 80 that has no chance to beat a top player.
colonelforbin
Rookie
Dimitrov just lost in the first round of the Sarejevo challenger this morning. So maybe IW was the better idea after all.
However, on that note, he's playing Miami!
Says so on his site: http://www.grigor-dimitrov.com/
However, on that note, he's playing Miami!
Says so on his site: http://www.grigor-dimitrov.com/
Bud
Bionic Poster
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
Berankis was cleverer, played in N America, got the WC
egn
Hall of Fame
I don't know I think this year was just an oddity normally Marseille is not too packed, but I think just due to so many french guys being around the top it has appeared that way as of late. However I would agree the Americas would have been the better choice, but had he done well in his other stretch it would have benefited him a lot more. I am more shocked at his decision to avoid playing Indian Wells, he better win this challenger.
glazkovss
Professional
Judging by his recent progress he is not going to be the next Fed or Nad, as it might have looked 2 yrs ago when he gave Nadal a fight in Rotterdam and almost beat Simon in Marseille. Now he is almost 20 and transition from juniors to pro's is going very slowly. The only good thing for him is that it is going steadily, so, hopefuly, he won't do a D. Young. But, also, not going to do a Raonic. We will see, but for a future no.1 he is getting late.
single_handed_champion
Professional
Clearly, he has not yet turned out to be the shining light of the younger players, and he is getting on in years, almost 20.
Frankly, at this stage, where he might be just a couple of big results away from the big time, he should be putting himself in the position to face off against the top opposition and play for bigger stakes, and he might be able to make inroads somewhere. Continuing to play challengers may not bode well for him if he suddenly finds himself playing a top 10 player on a center court somewhere in the future.
Frankly, at this stage, where he might be just a couple of big results away from the big time, he should be putting himself in the position to face off against the top opposition and play for bigger stakes, and he might be able to make inroads somewhere. Continuing to play challengers may not bode well for him if he suddenly finds himself playing a top 10 player on a center court somewhere in the future.
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aimr75
Hall of Fame
it remains to be seen, but gone are the days of the 17/18 year olds in the ATP making huge inroads.. its a different game now, alot tougher and most kids now will only come into their own in their early to mid twenties
hyperwarrior
Professional
I think he's still honing his skills. Let the kid manages his schedule properly!
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