Djokovic closing in on Federer's big titles record

[Im(moral) Winner]

Somebody stop him!

 

[thrust]

No he shouldn’t. Never deserved to win one considering his level of play.

Nadal has won 17 slams and 33 Masters, therefore, his level must have been very high. He also has a winning H-H vs Federer who many consider the ATG. So whether one likes his game style or not, Nadal has been a consistent WINNER, for nearly 15 years.

 

[NatF]

Nadal has won 17 slams and 33 Masters, therefore, his level must have been very high. He also has a winning H-H vs Federer who many consider the ATG. So whether one likes his game style or not, Nadal has been a consistent WINNER, for nearly 15 years.

He was talking about solely level of play at the YEC, even there I think Nadal would have been good enough in a couple of years to win if not for Fed/Djok but he's not been consistently good at that event - often he's been quite poor by his lofty standards.

 

[thrust]

Well considering Masters 1000 finals are no longer best-of-5 set encounters, coupled with the fact that top players get a bye in the 1st round, it's no longer as prestigious as it once was back in the early 2000's. For instance, Djokovic only had to win 4 matches to lift the trophy in Madrid, hardly comparable to say Nadal winning Rome2006, where he had to win 6 matches including a 5 hour marathon final.

The rules are the same for everyone. Novak did not change the rules, therefore, to say that today's Masters are not as important as before is just sour grapes.

 

[thrust]

He was talking about solely level of play at the YEC, even there I think Nadal would have been good enough in a couple of years to win if not for Fed/Djok but he's not been consistently good at that event - often he's been quite poor by his lofty standards.

I did not realize that, too early in the morning to concentrate for an old man? I always thought Nadal's main problem with YEC was exhaustion, in that he played so many clay court tournaments early in the season, then the HC circuit through the USO.

 

[Lew II]

Let's try to give a definition to Big Tournaments. The participation rate by UTS comes to help.

Open Era tournaments with 80+% participation rate won (ATGs only):

Federer 50
Djokovic 49
Nadal 35
Sampras 20
Agassi 18
Murray 16
Becker 11
Lendl 10
Borg 8
McEnroe 5
Laver / Connors / Edberg 4
Rosewall 3
Newcombe / Wilander 2

 

[travlerajm]

Federer 26
Djokovic 13
Nadal 6
Murray 6
Cilic 2
Del Potro 1
Dimitrov 1
Zverev 1

I think I see where this is going.

This seems legit. Where is Sampras on this list?

 

[RF-18]

Djokovic 2 big titles from GOATness

 

[BHud]

But his 2014 'win' was a walk over as Roger retired after his epic match against Stan in order to save himself for the Davis Cup final. So that 'record' is a fake record.

Ha ha...a revisionist I see...

 

[Lew II]

Djokovic 2 big titles from GOATness

Actually 3 slams. The next 3.

In all other cases, GOAT is debatable.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Nadal has won 17 slams and 33 Masters, therefore, his level must have been very high. He also has a winning H-H vs Federer who many consider the ATG. So whether one likes his game style or not, Nadal has been a consistent WINNER, for nearly 15 years.

What does that have to do with WTF? He has been very poor in his showings there, except on two occasions. And on both those occasions, someone else was far superior. So how does he deserve a WTF title?

 

[thrust]

What does that have to do with WTF? He has been very poor in his showings there, except on two occasions. And on both those occasions, someone else was far superior. So how does he deserve a WTF title?

I never said he deserved a WTF title. If you read my pervious post you will see why I thought he did poorly at the WTF, exhaustion from playing too many clay court tennis early in the season.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

I never said he deserved a WTF title. If you read my pervious post you will see why I thought he did poorly at the WTF, exhaustion from playing too many clay court tennis early in the season.

So why did you even respond to my original post, where I said he shouldn’t have won a WTF considering his level of play there, if you agree with me that he doesn’t deserve a WTF title?

 

[N01E]

So Becker's and Edberg's slams before 1990 don't count, but Chang's 1989 RG does? Great work ATP Staff.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Djokovic 2 big titles from GOATness

If only it was that simple.

What will give Djokovic GOATness is that Slam record.

 

[thrust]

If only it was that simple.

What will give Djokovic GOATness is that Slam record.

How about ranking % slams or Masters won with number of those tournaments played?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

How about ranking % slams or Masters won with number of those tournaments played?

Do you think the rest of the world will do that? Because all they know is the slam count since it has been shoved down everyone's throats these past few decades.

 

[ABCD]

How about ranking % slams or Masters won with number of those tournaments played?

You can find these numbers (title per number of events) if you look link I provided. Djokovic is ~30%, Nadal ~28.5% and Federer ~23%.

 

[thrust]

You can find these numbers (title per number of events) if you look link I provided. Djokovic is ~30%, Nadal ~28.5% and Federer ~23%.

THANKS!

 

[thrust]

Do you think the rest of the world will do that? Because all they know is the slam count since it has been shoved down everyone's throats these past few decades.

TRUE, Just a thought.

 

[canta_Brian]

You’re all so desperate to justify in numbers your favourite. If tennis is just numbers it becomes pretty boring. Come on, if you ask pretty much any tennis player who they would like to be able to play like, they are not choosing a grinder like Djokovic or Nadal. Maybe the kids might like Kyrgios, but let’s be realistic, playing like Fed is the dream.

 

[Nadal_Django]

They're even now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1150788773141209088

 

[RF-18]

Djokovic 2 big titles from GOATness

Djoko 1 big title from GOAT!