Djokovic Breaks Tie With Federer & Nadal In Big Titles Race

[Mainad]

He may well break it even further in 2 weeks' time.

 

[Lleytonstation]

He may well break it even further in 2 weeks' time.

I thought the fair thing to do would be to vote on the WTF winner. Sounds like the fair thing to do in my opinion.

 

[helterskelter]

He has neither the most Slams nor the H2H lead over Rafa in Slams.

Of course if Djokovic achieves the Grand Slam record he should be acknowledged as the GOAT, but not until then. He cannot be considered the GOAT when his two biggest rivals have more Majors than him, with Majors being the most relevant stat. If you are not talented enough to win the most Slams you ain't no GOAT.

I agree with this, and note that Djokovic also does not have:
1. The record for weeks or years at #1.
2. The record for the tour finals.
3. The record for MS events.
4. An Olympic title.

Djokovic is my favorite of the big three, but the case for him over the others isn't there yet and may never be. He's done very well to close the gap after being so far behind, but he hasn't yet been able to shake the others off.

 

[Lleytonstation]

I agree with this, and note that Djokovic also does not have:
1. The record for weeks or years at #1.
2. The record for the tour finals.
3. The record for MS events.
4. An Olympic title.

Djokovic is my favorite of the big three, but the case for him over the others isn't there yet and may never be. He's done very well to close the gap after being so far behind, but he hasn't yet been able to shake the others off.

While it pains me to say this, Djoker is in the best position as of now going forward. Fed has the records that matter, but Djoker is right there to take many of them.

This WTF is huge. If he wins it he will have tied Fed in WTF's, passed him in YE#1's, and will continue his weeks run for some time.

However, if Rafa takes the YE#1 and halts Djokers weeks at number one, this will change things. Much to gain or lose for Djoker this next week.

 

[helterskelter]

While it pains me to say this, Djoker is in the best position as of now going forward. Fed has the records that matter, but Djoker is right there to take many of them.

This WTF is huge. If he wins it he will have tied Fed in WTF's, passed him in YE#1's, and will continue his weeks run for some time.

However, if Rafa takes the YE#1 and halts Djokers weeks at number one, this will change things. Much to gain or lose for Djoker this next week.

Djokovic isn't necessarily going to be year-end #1 if he wins the WTF. Nadal would still be year-end #1 if he made the final (so long as Nadal didn't lose a group match or, if he did lose a group match, Djokovic also lost a group match). So, yes, much to play for, but the situation is pretty complicated. That said, even if Djokovic doesn't get year-end #1, if he wins the WTF, he still puts himself in a good position to reclaim the #1 ranking sometime next spring and that would see him well positioned to make another run at Sampras and then Federer for weeks at #1.

 

[GabeT]

In fact, Djokovic does not pass Nadal in big titles yet. Nadal has 55 big titles with the Olympic Gold in singles. The ATP alone cannot decide which tournaments are big and which are not, since the ATP is not the only men's tennis association. The ITF is the other tennis association which organizes the Olympics. And there is no doubt that the ITF considers the Olympics a big title. So Olympics are indeed a big title. Of course the ATP does not want to promote the Olympics as they are part of the ITF tour.

Olympics are not part of the ATP tour and carry no points. However prestigious they are they can’t be included in any discussion of pro tour accomplishments.

 

[helterskelter]

In fact, Djokovic does not pass Nadal in big titles yet. Nadal has 55 big titles with the Olympic Gold in singles. The ATP alone cannot decide which tournaments are big and which are not, since the ATP is not the only men's tennis association. The ITF is the other tennis association which organizes the Olympics. And there is no doubt that the ITF considers the Olympics a big title. So Olympics are indeed a big title. Of course the ATP does not want to promote the Olympics as they are part of the ITF tour.

The very idea of a "big title" is part of the ATP's attempt to downplay ITF events, as they count Slams as one big title and Masters as one big title, when everyone knows that Slams are far more important than Masters events. So, the count is silly from the beginning. They ought to have a category for big titles that is only Slams and one for medium-sized titles that includes the tour finals, Olympics, and MS events. Here, then, is the current count:

Big titles:
Federer 20
Nadal 19
Djokovic 16

Medium titles:
Djokovic 39
Nadal 36
Federer 34

 

[Deleted member 743561]

The very idea of a "big title" is part of the ATP's attempt to downplay ITF events, as they count Slams as one big title and Masters as one big title, when everyone knows that Slams are far more important than Masters events. So, the count is silly from the beginning. They ought to have a category for big titles that is only Slams and one for medium-sized titles that includes the tour finals, Olympics, and MS events. Here, then, is the current count:

Big titles:
Federer 20
Nadal 19
Djokovic 16

Medium titles:
Djokovic 39
Nadal 36
Federer 34

Are you of the opinion that a wholesale recalculation would be worth someone's time?

What I'm suggesting is that progenitors get a certain percentage of credit for successors' victories.

To wit: Sampras might be shorted here by something on the order of 2.78 majors. Federer, in turn, has earned nearly 34.96 major titles.

Also, currently acknowledged tallies would be downwardly adjusted; the lead is now set at 24.28537 major titles.

 

[Lew II]

..

 

[Bender]

NCYGS
Novak: 1
Fedal: Zippo

Petros: nothing, zilch, nada

Actually it’s probably in the negatives since petros didn’t even get within sniffing distance of a RG title, no?

 

[SaintPetros]

Petros: nothing, zilch, nada

Actually it’s probably in the negatives since petros didn’t even get within sniffing distance of a RG title, no?

Your mind is finally bending, which is good because we know you have one underneath all the goo. Now we just gotta activate it in order to you know....

it.

 

[Bender]

Your mind is finally bending, which is good because we know you have one underneath all the goo. Now we just gotta activate it in order to you know....

it.

Hey we both know I’m mostly kidding.

As much as I preferred watching Agassi, my serve and initially my running forehand were modelled after Petros.

The Nadal influence was there too, especially when it came to the banana forehand down the line, but you build upon the shoulders of previous giants, or in my case, I built an NTRP 4.5 stickman upon the shoulders of giants.

Still working on that jumping slam dunk though. Weird because I have the backhand smash down 99%, and since last month got the hang of the Connors / Nadal bolo smash.

 

[SaintPetros]

Hey we both know I’m mostly kidding.

As much as I preferred watching Agassi, my serve and initially my running forehand were modelled after Petros.

The Nadal influence was there too, especially when it came to the banana forehand down the line, but you build upon the shoulders of previous giants, or in my case, I built an NTRP 4.5 stickman upon the shoulders of giants.

Still working on that jumping slam dunk though. Weird because I have the backhand smash down 99%, and since last month got the hang of the Connors / Nadal bolo smash.

Mastered the Petros runner, the Nadal banana, the Fred no look back smash and the Connors bolo? Go pro dood.

 

[SaintPetros]

Hey we both know I’m mostly kidding.

As much as I preferred watching Agassi, my serve and initially my running forehand were modelled after Petros.

The Nadal influence was there too, especially when it came to the banana forehand down the line, but you build upon the shoulders of previous giants, or in my case, I built an NTRP 4.5 stickman upon the shoulders of giants.

Still working on that jumping slam dunk though. Weird because I have the backhand smash down 99%, and since last month got the hang of the Connors / Nadal bolo smash.

and btw Fed climbed up a mountain of smurfs to stand on the shoulders of giants.

 

[Bender]

Mastered the Petros runner, the Nadal banana, the Fred no look back smash and the Connors bolo? Go pro dood.

Not as well as those guys, of course.

The bolo smash is still a WIP, I can’t get as much pace on it as I’d like although it rarely comes back.

Backhand smash and banana forehand down the line is there though. But my percentages on the latter is more about the other guy. I managed to curl a ball around the net just once; the rest of the time it’s noticeable enough to qualify as a banana, but ain’t nobody going to compare that favourably to what Nadal does.

 

[Born_to_slice]

Irrelevant. His stats don't look as good if you cherry-pick them.

ftfy

 

[Bender]

ftfy

Same difference

Some of us are “born to slice” the stats in our favour

 

[Born_to_slice]

Same difference

Some of us are “born to slice” the stats in our favour

I don't care about posting any stats or starting threads about it. ATP counts this big titles thing and that's that. Take it for what it is.

 

[Phoenix1983]

The biggest titles of all are the slams, where Novak Djokovic trails in a miserable 3rd.

 

[beard]

So, this is what you say about the guy you "don't care about".

I wonder what stuff would you be posting if you cared.

Biggest troll on forum, aligned with StrongRule guy....

In fact, Djokovic does not pass Nadal in big titles yet. Nadal has 55 big titles with the Olympic Gold in singles. The ATP alone cannot decide which tournaments are big and which are not, since the ATP is not the only men's tennis association. The ITF is the other tennis association which organizes the Olympics. And there is no doubt that the ITF considers the Olympics a big title. So Olympics are indeed a big title. Of course the ATP does not want to promote the Olympics as they are part of the ITF tour.

Please, send your thoughts to ATP... Write that you are ttw expert to convince them in yours competence

 

[MichaelNadal]

So, this is what you say about the guy you "don't care about".

I wonder what stuff would you be posting if you cared.

It wouldn't be so nice

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Exactly. If they included it Murray would be on 20 but the official ATP stats only allow him 18.

Because the ATP is run by morons...?

 

[Mainad]

Because the ATP is run by morons...?

A bit short-sighted maybe.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

A bit short-sighted maybe.

You must be British?... The understatement.

We Balkaneros are far more direct, perhaps too much.

OK, the ATP aren't run by morons, but by... slow people?