Djokovic vs Sampras in 1990s with Sampras's racquet on the 90s courts ..... who holds the record eventually?

[Sunny014]

Just send Djokovic to the 1990s, how would he fare ?

We can assume that he would be playing from 1990 until mid 2000s and would face Federer and Nadal in the end of his career with his peak clashing with Sampras/Agassi.

How would things be ?

Who emerges with the slam record ? Sampras or Djokovic?

 

[pj80]

I don't know why you guys like these hypo's so much...prolly Pete would be favorite, Djoker's mindset would be different if he played in that era

 

[Sunny014]

I don't know why you guys like these hypo's so much...prolly Pete would be favorite, Djoker's mindset would be different if he played in that era

If answer to this is Pete then how can Novak be the GOAT ?

 

[pj80]

If answer to this is Pete then how can Novak be the GOAT ?

there is no answer to this...we will never know

 

[Sunny014]

there is no answer to this...we will never know

So that means Novak is not GOAT.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Sampras. Djokovic can't win as many French/AO titles as Sampras wins Wimbledon/USOs titles in the 90s. Sampras probably still snatches as a few AOs titles in the 90s as well or at least 1 since the AO was a more different surfaces in the 90s than now in terms of benefitting the early striker

 

[DIMI_D]

Just send Djokovic to the 1990s, how would he fare ?

We can assume that he would be playing from 1990 until mid 2000s and would face Federer and Nadal in the end of his career with his peak clashing with Sampras/Agassi.

How would things be ?

Who emerges with the slam record ? Sampras or Djokovic?

Sampras king plain and simple in this scenario only Fed has a chance in this scenario not even Nadal would do to well vs the KING PETROS

 

[pj80]

So that means Novak is not GOAT.

ok, so Pete is goat all along....you proved it

 

[Sunny014]

Sampras king plain and simple in this scenario only Fed has a chance in this scenario not even Nadal would do to well vs the KING PETROS

ok, so Pete is goat all along....you proved it

So you guys claim Novak is the GOAT but when he is put in the 90s he is behind Pete ? What sort of a GOAT is he ? At least Roger fans confidently say that Roger can play in the 90s and win slams but Novak's fans have no confidence of his game lasting in the 90s and yet you claim that he is BOAT, GOAT and many fancy terms

Major flaw, if your game is not good enough for other eras then you are disqualified from being GOAT/BOAT

 

[Sunny014]

At least Nadal can win 10+ French Opens in the 90s-00s

 

[pj80]

So you guys claim Novak is the GOAT but when he is put in the 90s he is behind Pete ? What sort of a GOAT is he ? At least Roger fans confidently say that Roger can play in the 90s and win slams but Novak's fans have no confidence of his game lasting in the 90s and yet you claim that he is BOAT, GOAT and many fancy terms

Major flaw, if your game is not good enough for other eras then you are disqualified from being GOAT/BOAT

Fed fans are in denial and/or delusional you mean?

 

[Sunny014]

Fed fans are in denial and/or delusional you mean?

So you don't expect Federer's remarkable serve neutralizing ability, his own GOAT serve and his prowess in low bounce conditions + his remarkable GOAT Forehand to win him many slams in the 90s ????

 

[pj80]

So you don't expect Federer's remarkable serve neutralizing ability, his own GOAT serve and his prowess in low bounce conditions + his remarkable GOAT Forehand to win him many slams in the 90s ????

no, he was the 3rd best in his own era

 

[Kralingen]

I mean, Djokovic’s game is designed around the new racquet technology and slower surfaces of today’s game. He has quite literally never played a pro match without Poly, on 90’s grass, fast carpet, or even 90s USO speed court. Every training session he has done, every bit of coaching, and every in match adjustment he has made is directly molded to being successful in his own era.

I do think his undeveloped net game might not ever get up to par to win 90s Wimbledon (then again, if MaliVai Washington can make a final I don’t see why Djokovic couldn’t) but his ballstriking ability and defense should be able to stand out in any era.

If Agassi can do a 90s career Slam I 100% believe Djokovic can. But we have no way of knowing how many he would actually win, because he would likely be a genuinely different player than the one he is today.

I still choose PETE though as he optimized his game for fast courts and his serve+talent were nearly unstoppable. But when you watch what Kuerten and Hewitt did to 2000 Pete, with the advent of new strings and baseline play, I think Djokovic could figure something out to beat him.

 

[Sunny014]

no, he was the 3rd best in his own era

3rd best with a better game than Djokovic suited for other eras???

 

[Third Serve]

Player whose game is tailor-made for the 2010s vs player whose game is tailor-made for the 90s on 90s courts?

gee I wonder who’d win...

 

[pj80]

3rd best with a better game than Djokovic suited for other eras???

Djokovic is the GOAT, the sooner you accept it the better you will feel...stop fighting it inside, it only creates turmoil and disrupts your inner peace.

 

[Sunny014]

Djokovic is the GOAT, the sooner you accept it the better you will feel...stop fighting it inside, it only creates turmoil and disrupts your inner peace.

A GOAT who is struggling to beat Sampras with Sampras's racquet in Sampras's backyard ?

Thats a false GOAT.

 

[Lgoel]

A player develops his skills for their own time. It's quite amusing to ask how Djokovic will do in some other time as you really can't give any answer

He will do good , ao and French will be primary target.

Agassi had 15 finals and 8 wins winning all 4. Even with Sampras, if Djokovic is seeded 2, he will reach the final . So 25 finals are given.so 14 slams are very much possible

Also Sampras has 14 wins out of 18 finals. No other ATG has just a good winning ratio other than bjorg. It really speaks of weak era

 

[pj80]

A GOAT who is struggling to beat Sampras with Sampras's racquet in Sampras's backyard ?

Thats a false GOAT.

says who? Djokovic is GOAT because of his mindset, not playing style...he would adapt to any era.

 

[OldBalls]

So that means Novak is not GOAT.

You're spot on, he isn't the goat. He is the messiah.

 

[6august]

I told you, Fred fans are desperate these days. Have to live in a hypothetical world to deny reality. Just like Inception.

 

[6august]

Djokovic is talented, hard working and has big balls. Those qualities always shine in any era, any time.

And not every Djo fan is obsessed with that GOAT stuff, even when he has big chance to achieve the greatest trophies collection.

 

[Lgoel]

Also Djokovic will take away certain titles from Sampras. May be djokovic wins in semifinal or final , or may be he pushes him to 5 sets often which causes Sampras to be below par in next match. May be one AO,one WIMB, and one USO. So let's not assume Sampras will still be on 14. He will have lesser number.

 

[ChrisRF]

Sampras. Djokovic can't win as many French/AO titles as Sampras wins Wimbledon/USOs titles in the 90s. Sampras probably still snatches as a few AOs titles in the 90s as well or at least 1 since the AO was a more different surfaces in the 90s than now in terms of benefitting the early striker

But honestly, while Sampras is unlikely to steal AO and RG titles away from Djokovic, it’s not that unlikely that Djokovic is serious competition for Sampras at Wimbledon and US Open.

I mean, if Sampras couldn’t beat Agassi in Australia he wouldn’t beat Djokovic as well. But Djokovic’s counterpunching abilities and great movement would make it difficult for Sampras to put him away even on fast courts.

90s racquets weren’t that bad anymore. You could already hit decent passing shots with them. Of course it’s not like today, but we are not talking about wooden racquets either. You are right that the early striker generally had it better in the 90s. But would that be enough against the GOAT defender, and as often as needed to get the Slam record? I doubt it.

 

[Ovie]

Whoever I like most will win.

 

[Hayole]

These threads are just a cry for help

Sampras played in his era and was the best

Djokovic plays in his era and he's the best in his era

 

[daphne]

I don't know why you guys like these hypo's so much...prolly Pete would be favorite, Djoker's mindset would be different if he played in that era

My first impression as well. And it's always Fed's fans that do it!

 

[daphne]

If answer to this is Pete then how can Novak be the GOAT ?

Pathetic! On a hypothetical you make a conclusion. How old are you, kid?

 

[steenkash]

Why does it matter? How would Sampras fare in the Novak, Nadal and Roger era?

 

[daphne]

A GOAT who is struggling to beat Sampras with Sampras's racquet in Sampras's backyard ?

Thats a false GOAT.

Do you realise what you just said? IQ10

 

[daphne]

Where is @BeatlesFan to sort out the mad Fed fans? Come on hun, resurface again when it matters!

 

[Sunny014]

My first impression as well. And it's always Fed's fans that do it!

Pathetic! On a hypothetical you make a conclusion. How old are you, kid?

Do you realise what you just said? IQ10

Where is @BeatlesFan to sort out the mad Fed fans? Come on hun, resurface again when it matters!

wow, you look triggered by the post.

Go and drink some water and pour cold water over your head old man.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Sampras.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Where is @BeatlesFan to sort out the mad Fed fans? Come on hun, resurface again when it matters!

@daphne You know better than to disturb me when I'm busy sorting out my Fabio undie pics.

 

[daphne]

@daphne You know better than to disturb me when I'm busy sorting out my Fabio undie pics.

Where is your wisdom now? Huh?

 

[Thetouch]

Agassi had 15 finals and 8 wins winning all 4. Even with Sampras, if Djokovic is seeded 2, he will reach the final . So 25 finals are given.so 14 slams are very much possible

Also Sampras has 14 wins out of 18 finals. No other ATG has just a good winning ratio other than bjorg. It really speaks of weak era

How do you come up with 25 finals?

In a perfect world where Agassi plays the AO from 1990 onwards too like Novak would you still have also Sampras, Courier, Edberg, Lendl, Becker, Stich, Chang and Kafelnikov who would be tough opponents to beat in the 90s just in Melbourne. I watched a few highlights from the 1994 AO draw and Sampras almost lost to Kafelnikov in the 2nd round, he won the 5th set 9:7.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Djokovic is the GOAT.

 

[jga111]

Match point Sampras Becker Hannover1996 - you will see why Sampras had it all (then). Different surface - different technology. Djokovic will need a strong serve volley game to be competent…does he have it?

 

[Sunny014]

Djokovic is the GOAT.

No, the GOAT wears Rolex,

 

[RF-18]

For a scenario like this, we have to assume Djoko is born somewhere mid 60s early 70s and grows up with the materials available for that time, and give him a fair chance to tailor his game after what was the best way to win matches back then on faster courts.

 

[Cup8489]

no, he was the 3rd best in his own era

3rd best behind who? If you mean the slam race they've only just CAUGHT UP!

 

[WYK]

Clay courts, Joko. All the other courts(few outside of clay were slow back then) - Sampras. This also assumes both are not using poly. Joker could get away using a PT57 as it was available at the time.

Granted, these are two of the best S&V's in the history of the game, but it still stings to watch some of the modern players fail so badly with even relatively easy volleys when these two gents return hard volleys by the dozen before your eyes.

 

[daphne]

Soon Djok will be 1 year longer at the top than Pete. Enough said.

 

[jga111]

Soon Djok will be 1 year longer at the top than Pete. Enough said.

Even more impressive if it was done with years in a row…

 

[daphne]

Even more impressive if it was done with years in a row…

Even more impressive if it was done during the Big 3 era…

 

[jga111]

Even more impressive if it was done during the Big 3 era…

Even more impressive if it was done in an era when the CPI index range of all slams were huge, with limited technology and fitness - and when a masters was actually best of 5 - not 3

 

[daphne]

Even more impressive if it was done in an era when the CPI index range of all slams were huge, with limited technology and fitness - and when a masters was actually best of 5 - not 3

As long as it is being played under the RULES of ATP not one person in the entire world can say a boo. If one does not like it one can bring it up with ATP and fight for whatever one believes in.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Just send Djokovic to the 1990s, how would he fare ?

We can assume that he would be playing from 1990 until mid 2000s and would face Federer and Nadal in the end of his career with his peak clashing with Sampras/Agassi.

How would things be ?

Who emerges with the slam record ? Sampras or Djokovic?

Pete because unlike fed, he's never been as unclutch in important moments.

 

[jga111]

As long as it is being played under the RULES of ATP not one person in the entire world can say a boo. If one does not like it one can bring it up with ATP and fight for whatever one believes in.

No issues - just not as impressive