Does weight add power, or just swingweight.

verite

New User
Hi racquet geniuses,

any thoughts on this hypothetical:

2 Racquets:

Racquet A: 10 oz. Even Balance. Swing weight 330
Racquet B: 12 Oz. Headlight. Swing weight 330.

Strings, beam, stiffness, design, etc. are all the same.

Will they both generate roughly the same power?

--
Prince Hybrid Hornet MP, 3/4 Oz of Weight, 4 pts HL
NXT Tour 18
 

Agent Orynge

Professional
Then you haven't been looking hard enough.

The short answer is no, swingweight is not a relative measure of power between two different racquets. The long answer has been discussed in depth time and again, and I don't believe your question merits a reinvestigation into the principles of physics.
 

ODYSSEY Mk.4

Professional
Then you haven't been looking hard enough.

The short answer is no, swingweight is not a relative measure of power between two different racquets. The long answer has been discussed in depth time and again, and I don't believe your question merits a reinvestigation into the principles of physics.

you sir deserve a medal. :)
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
The heavier racket should be more powerful. But there is a point where the heavier the racket you will start giving you diminishing returns. Only you can determine that point of diminishing returns for yourself. The heavier racket should also produce a heavier ball.

Irvini
 

rromeo

New User
I am curious about this too and have read many previous discussions on this topic w/o noticing any concrete conclusions. If heavier is indeed more powerful than why does USRSA use a formula w/o consideration for static wt in its estimation of racquet power levels?

USRSA power index = (length index × headsize × flex × swingweight) ÷ 1000. Length index calculation: 27" = 1.0, 27.5" = 1.05; 28" = 1.1.

Is this formula not to be taken seriously by those looking for a general guideline?
 

zennis

New User
I don't believe an even balanced 10oz racquet can have a 330 sw unless it is longer than 27"? The light racquet takes more swing speed to produce power, the heavier racquet will always have the potential for more power, the lighter for more spin.
 

rromeo

New User
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=193776
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=333295&highlight=power+swingweight

These two threads cover it pretty well in my opinion, especially this excerpt:

eigers
New User

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1
Power = Speed X Inertia
Here's my opinion, based on what I've read in a book titled "Technical Tennis."

The power of the racquet will be described by its momentum.

The swingweight of the racquet is it's inertia

Momentum = Speed X Inertia.

If you assume that both racquets are moving at the same speed, its all about the swingweight.

The assumption that they both have the same speed is a pretty big assumption, though. Lower swingweight means faster swing (but lower inertia). Higher swingweight means slower swing (but higher interia). Power is the product of both speed and inertia, so the extremes are a bit of a problem. If the racquet is too head-heavy, you won't be able to swing it fast enough to get enough power. If it's too head-light, it won't matter how fast you swing it.

This all sounds impossible, but there's an optimum range where the weight of your racquet ends up being about 6X the weight of the tennis ball (and about 1/6 the weight of your arm.)

This 6-to-1 ratio also works for baseball, meaning that a baseball bat weighs 6X more than a baseball and is about 1/6 the weight of both arms.

Bottom line--Demo a bunch of racquets.




This pretty much correlates to the USRSA power index as a general rule for inherent racquet power, along w/my personal customization experiences.
 

verite

New User
I think we all agree that swingweight + speed produce power. But is swingweight the same as power, assuming RS stays the same.

Take for example, Prince EX03 Hybrid.

9.3 Oz. 3 points HH. SW 302.

Vokl Powerbridge 10.6 OZ. 4 Point HL. SW ALSO 302.

Assuming they are of similar string setup and design, AND swung at the same racquet speed, would these two racquets hit a ball the same distance?
 

Agent Orynge

Professional
Power = Speed X Inertia
Here's my opinion, based on what I've read in a book titled "Technical Tennis."

The power of the racquet will be described by its momentum.

The swingweight of the racquet is it's inertia

Momentum = Speed X Inertia.

If you assume that both racquets are moving at the same speed, its all about the swingweight.

Except that user mistakenly replaced mass with inertia in the momentum equation. The two are not interchangeable, though in common usage people may use the term inertia to refer to an object's momentum, depending on the context.

He also mistakenly used speed where he should have used velocity. Velocity is a vector quantity, meaning that both magnitude and direction are required to define it. These, too, are not interchangeable.

Lastly, I must repeat my assertion that swingweight is not a relative measure of power between two different racquets. Swingweight =/= mass.
 
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rromeo

New User
I think we all agree that swingweight + speed produce power. But is swingweight the same as power, assuming RS stays the same.

Take for example, Prince EX03 Hybrid.

9.3 Oz. 3 points HH. SW 302.

Vokl Powerbridge 10.6 OZ. 4 Point HL. SW ALSO 302.

Assuming they are of similar string setup and design, AND swung at the same racquet speed, would these two racquets hit a ball the same distance?

If all other factors in the power index are the same, yes they should or be pretty darn close. TWU has a power tool that u sb able to check this with.
 

rromeo

New User
Except that user mistakenly replaced mass with inertia in the momentum equation. The two are not interchangeable, though in common usage people may use the term inertia to refer to an object's momentum, depending on the context.

He also mistakenly used speed where he should have used velocity. Velocity is a vector quantity, meaning that both magnitude and direction are required to define it. These, too, are not interchangeable.

Mistaken as in misquoted from "Technical Tennis" or incorrectly written in the book? What is ur opinion of the USRSA power index and its reliability?
 

Agent Orynge

Professional
Mistaken as in misquoted from "Technical Tennis" or incorrectly written in the book? What is ur opinion of the USRSA power index and its reliability?

Either? Both?

The equation for momentum is p = mv, where p is momentum, m is mass, and v is velocity.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I am curious about this too and have read many previous discussions on this topic w/o noticing any concrete conclusions. If heavier is indeed more powerful than why does USRSA use a formula w/o consideration for static wt in its estimation of racquet power levels?

USRSA power index = (length index × headsize × flex × swingweight) ÷ 1000. Length index calculation: 27" = 1.0, 27.5" = 1.05; 28" = 1.1.

Is this formula not to be taken seriously by those looking for a general guideline?

Static weight has a definite effect on Swingweight.

Irvin
 

1stVolley

Professional
The best discussion of this, and many other topics relating to the physics of tennis is the book "Technical Tennis."

Swing weight is a measure of the amount of force needed to move a racquet in a horizontal plane. It is the result primarily of the total weight of the racquet and the distribution of weight relative to some fixed point on the racquet.

The power of a racquet, apart from consideration of the stringbed and frame flex, is a function of the mass of the racquet around the racquet head and the velocity of the latter (actually the vector sum of the incoming ball's velocity and the swinging racquet head).

Swing weight is an indirect measure of the power of a racquet in that higher swing weights may result in lower swing speed (less "power") but may be reflective of more mass in the head (more "power"). But, because swing weight is influenced by the total weight of the racquet, and the weight of the racquet that is further from the head has progressively less influence on the power of the racquet, therefore swing weight is only an indirect measure of a racquet's power.
 

Kevo

Legend
I think we all agree that swingweight + speed produce power. But is swingweight the same as power, assuming RS stays the same.

I doubt it. At least not in most cases. SW is not the same as hitting weight which is more directly related to the mass of the frame. Hitting weight is the effective mass at contact. So the heavier frame should have more hitting weight which means that it would be more powerful assuming other factors remain constant.
 

corners

Legend
The best discussion of this, and many other topics relating to the physics of tennis is the book "Technical Tennis."

Swing weight is a measure of the amount of force needed to move a racquet in a horizontal plane. It is the result primarily of the total weight of the racquet and the distribution of weight relative to some fixed point on the racquet.

The power of a racquet, apart from consideration of the stringbed and frame flex, is a function of the mass of the racquet around the racquet head and the velocity of the latter (actually the vector sum of the incoming ball's velocity and the swinging racquet head).

Swing weight is an indirect measure of the power of a racquet in that higher swing weights may result in lower swing speed (less "power") but may be reflective of more mass in the head (more "power"). But, because swing weight is influenced by the total weight of the racquet, and the weight of the racquet that is further from the head has progressively less influence on the power of the racquet, therefore swing weight is only an indirect measure of a racquet's power.

Swingweight is the primary determinant of both 1) inherent racquet power (also known as ACOR, Power Potential, or "bounce") and 2) how fast you can swing the racquet. Since the speed of a shot is a function of inherent power and swingspeed, swingweight is the most important racquet spec to understand.

Swingweight is roughly proportional to hittingweight, which is the proportion of the racquet's total weight that is 'represented' at a particular impact location. Hittingweight is almost directly proportional to Power Potential. TW University removes any uncertainty over this matter with their objective Power Potential testing, where they fire balls at a stationary racquet and measure the bounce in the real world. This is the last word on inherent racquet power. To see how well swingweight correlates to Power Potential (and how poorly static weight does) read this article:

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/specsandspeed.php

Power Potential can also be estimated using a formula. This is not ideal, as the formula can't take into account such things are racquet flex, headsize, string pattern, etc. However, in the OP's example, since the two racquets he presents have identical flex, headsize, etc., the formula works perfectly to compare these racquets.

We can use TW University's customization worksheet to access the power potential formula, as it is built into this tool, here: http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customizationReverse.php

Plugging the numbers for the OP's Racquet A and B (OP doesn't specify how headlight, let's say 9 HL) we find:

Racquet A (10 ounces, even balance, 330 SW) Power Potential: 40.86%

Racquet B (12 ounces, nine points HL, 330 SW) Power Potential: 41.06%

You can see that the extra two ounces added to racquet B does increase the power potential moderately. It may even look like a lot, but let's add just 3 grams to Racquet A at 12 o'clock to see what happens:

Racqet C (10.11 ounces, 1.1 point HL, 339 SW) Power Potential: 41.83%

Adding just one-tenth of an ounce to the head of Racquet A (and thusly increasing swingweight by 9 units) increased power potential much more than adding two whole ounces in Racquet B.

This illustrates how much swingweight has to do with inherent racquet power and how little static weight does. This fact is the basis for the development of the "hammer" type racquet weighting, which is very popular on the WTA. The Williams sisters, for example, use light sticks with extremely high swingweights.

However, Racquet B, although only marginally more powerful than Racquet A, does have it's advantages. The extra weight in the handle increases recoil weight, which makes this frame much more stable on shots where you cannot generate high swingspeed, such as volleys and serves. Also, weight in the handle improves control when the racquet is swing very fast, as explained here:

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2006/04/racquet_handle_weighting_and_m.html


So now that we know that swingweight is much more important to inherent power, we can move to the other parameter that determines actual shot speed - swingspeed.

Controlled scientific studies have shown that, again, swingweight is directly proportional to swingspeed. One study, using rods of different weights but the same swingweight, showed that static weight has no influence on swingspeed. So, a 12 ounce rod with swingweight of 330 could be swung as fast as a 10 ounce rod with swingweight of 330. This would suggest that Racquet A and Racquet B, since they have the same swingweight, could be swung just as fast as each other by the same player.

I think most of us have found that in the real world the 12 ounce racquet is going to swing slower than the 10 ounce one. There could be two scientific explanations for this:

1) In most of the studies, the swingweight used in the tests was the swingweight measured at the wrist axis, about 10 cm beyond the end of the racquet. Some studies even include the weight of the hand. When you measure swingweight at the wrist, there's a formula you use (the parallel axis theorem) that takes into account balance and static weight. So the 12 ounce racquet will have a higher swingweight at the wrist than the 10 ounce racquet.

2) Swingweight, measured 4" from the bottom of the handle, or at the wrist, is a measure of how difficult it is to swing the racquet in an arc. But not all of the swingpath is circular. The initial part of the swing is often quite linear, and during this portion of the swing the heavier racquet would be more difficult to accelerate, even if it has the same swingweight. This is also well explained in the Racquet Sports Industry article above.


So, the short of it:

Swingweight is much more important to inherent racquet power than static weight.

Swingspeed is primarly dependent on swingweight, but if the swingweight of two racquets is the same (like with Racquet A and B) then the one with less static weight (Racquet A) will be easier to swing, and can thus be swung faster. But, it might be more difficult to control.

Finally, inherent racquet power is much more important on shots with a lower swingspeed. Beginners, who can't generate fast swings, can therefore use a very powerful racquet, as the racquet makes a bigger contribution to speed of shot when the swing is slow. This is also the case on volleys and service returns, where a short swing leads to slow swingspeeds.

On the other hand, at fast swing speeds, the speed of the racquet head is much more important to the speed of the shot than inherent racquet power. Inversely, this means that at fast swing speeds the inherent power of the racquet doesn't really matter. In this case, a racquet with better control is more useful than one with more inherent power. This also implies that if you want to hit the ball fast, you should chose a racquet that you can swing very fast, even if it isn't particularly powerful (in other words, a racquet with a low swingweight).


But then you get into the tradeoffs:

1) If you choose a low-swingweight racquet you will be able to swing it very fast, generating fast shots with lots of spin, BUT, on shots where you can't take a full swing (volleys and returns) the low-swingweight racquet will be unstable and not very powerful.

Racquets that provide this type of tradeoff are the lighter player's sticks, like the Volkl Power Bridge 9, Babolat Pure Storm Ltd and Dunlop 4D 100.

2) If you choose a racquet with high-swingweight, but low static weight (like Racquet A) you will have high inherent power and, because of the lower static weight, you will be able to swing it pretty fast. This will make for a powerful racquet from the baseline, reasonably stable and powerful on returns and volleys, BUT, because there is not very much weight in the handle of the racquet, control will suffer.

Racquets that provide this type of tradeoff are the baseline-oriented Pure Drives and hammer-type sticks. These racquets, as noted above, are vary popular on the WTA tour. Justine Henin uses this type of setup and it obviously works really well for her, even up at the net. Rafael Nadal swings this type of frame as well....

3) If you choose a racquet with high-swingweight and also high static weight (like Racquet B) it will also be quite headlight (because the extra weight has to go somewhere other than the head, which means the handle, which means the racquet will be headlight). The high-swingweight will confer good inherent power and stability at the baseline. The racquet will not swing quite as fast as Racquet A, but because there is lots of weight in the handle control will be very good. Stability on returns and volleys will be excellent because of the swingweight and high recoil weight. Maneuverability at net will be good because of the headlight balance. However, if the racquet is just a bit too heavy for you shots that require quick adjustments or wrist flicks will be tough to pull off. Also, if your strokes are wristy and explosive, the heavy weight might impede your technique and reduce the amount of spin you can generate. This type of stick is best for more classical technique and serve and volley play.

Racquets that provide this type of tradeoff are heavy player's sticks like Wilson Tour 90 and 95, Volkl PB10, Dunlop 4D 200 Tour.

Most of the men on tour use this type of stick, although they usually add more lead in the head, making the swingweight higher. This is an adaptation to today's power baseline style. Historically, Pete Sampras's stick was the perfect example of this at 13 ounces, 8HL and 365 swingweight.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Hi racquet geniuses,

any thoughts on this hypothetical:

2 Racquets:

Racquet A: 10 oz. Even Balance. Swing weight 330
Racquet B: 12 Oz. Headlight. Swing weight 330.

Strings, beam, stiffness, design, etc. are all the same.

Will they both generate roughly the same power?

--
Prince Hybrid Hornet MP, 3/4 Oz of Weight, 4 pts HL
NXT Tour 18

I doubt you can find two rackets like above where the swingweights are the same but everything being equal the racket with the most mass will have more power assuming the swingspeed is the same.

Irvin
 

cellofaan

Semi-Pro
I doubt you can find two rackets like above where the swingweights are the same but everything being equal the racket with the most mass will have more power assuming the swingspeed is the same.

Irvin
I've also been playing around with the customization worksheet, and a more headlight racket (everything else equal) will have less power than a more headheavy racket. So if the heavier one is much more headlight, the lighter one could actually be more powerful.

Corner's explained it pretty much spot on.
If there is only one variable, then a higher weight will give more power,
a more headheavy balance will give more power, and a higher SW will give more power.
Since adding a lot of weight usually makes the racket more headlight, which somewhat cancels each other out, the most effective way to increase power, is to increase SW.
 

anarosevoli

Semi-Pro
My serve clearly depends on swingweight, not on weight, so the answer would be SW. But I think power of an incoming ball is being absorbed by weight, so here the heavier racquet (with the same SW) wins.
 

Pumpkin

Professional
My serve clearly depends on swingweight, not on weight, so the answer would be SW. But I think power of an incoming ball is being absorbed by weight, so here the heavier racquet (with the same SW) wins.
I read an article recently where Rod Cross from Sydney University proved that if two racquets have the same length and the same SW then they will have the same power regardless of the static weight or the balance point.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I read an article recently where Rod Cross from Sydney University proved that if two racquets have the same length and the same SW then they will have the same power regardless of the static weight or the balance point.
That could be true but I don’t believe it.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
@Pumpkin does not matter if you keep the racket stationary or if it’s swung in a machine at a constant speed. That‘s not like holding the racket in your hand. If the swing weights are the same, 2 rackets will move at relatively the same speed in one‘s hand. But the inertia of the racket is where power comes from. Inertia is mass, the greater the mass the greater the inertia. The closer the inertia is to being directly behind the ball the more plow (power) the racket has. The lighter the racket (higher balance point) the more work your arm has to do. The heavier the racket (lower balance point) the more work the racket’s inertia plows through the ball.

EDIT: In your experiment when you compared a 26.5” racket to a 27” why did the 26.6” hit the ball farther? Lower SW, lower balance, and the racket was traveling faster.
 

Pumpkin

Professional
EDIT: In your experiment when you compared a 26.5” racket to a 27” why did the 26.6” hit the ball farther? Lower SW, lower balance, and the racket was traveling faster.
Yes but what you are introducing here is the human element. If a body builder with sophisticated strokes swung a lightweight, headlight racquet he would get much more power than a regular person swinging a " high powered " racquet.

We want to compare how much power two people who are exact replicas of each other can get using different racquets. .
 

Pumpkin

Professional
Yes I see your point now Irvin. I was a bit hasty. You are sighting a distinction between R. Crosses experiment where the racquet is stationary versus a moving racquet which now has inertia.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
If a body builder with sophisticated strokes swung a lightweight, headlight racquet he would get much more power than a regular person swinging a " high powered " racquet.
A lightweight headlight racket would not have much power at all.
You are sighting a distinction between R. Crosses experiment where the racquet is stationary versus a moving racquet which now has inertia.
All objects have inertia. At rest or in motion.
-think of hitting a ball with a BASEBALL bat!!
-hit the ball with either end, see what you get
Funny you should mention that. I seen a guy hit a golf ball with a bat once. The golf ball didn’t go any where near as far as with a driver. Maybe half the distance. Why? Because the bat had a much higher SW so it did not swing as fast. But a bat would have much more power than a tennis racket. Try hitting a baseball with a standard tennis racket.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Or consider a wrecking ball. Ohhhh:-D:-D:-D now I'm starting to think the lighter racquet would have more power because it has more weight in the head.
Just the opposite a lighter racket has less weight everywhere, but the majority of the weight would be higher towards the tip to increase the SW.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Or consider a wrecking ball. Ohhhh:-D:-D:-D now I'm starting to think the lighter racquet would have more power because it has more weight in the head.
-the key element in this equation is SPEED
-a LITE racquet NEEDS speed to create power
-a HEAVY racquet needs LESS speed to create POWER
-a heavy racquet + speed = HEAVY BALL!!

-my baseball bat scenario is about speed and power contrast
-holding the baseball bat by the normal handle creates alot of power behind the hit, but its a heavy feeling swing
-holding the baseball bat by the heavy end, leaves the LITE/thin handle end to create less power, but it swings/feels easier/faster
 

Pumpkin

Professional
@Irvin how do you think Rod Cross did this experiment? Would the handle be fixed in like a vice, or would it be suspended on a string or something?
 

aaron_h27

Hall of Fame
100
Swingweight is the primary determinant of both 1) inherent racquet power (also known as ACOR, Power Potential, or "bounce") and 2) how fast you can swing the racquet. Since the speed of a shot is a function of inherent power and swingspeed, swingweight is the most important racquet spec to understand.

Swingweight is roughly proportional to hittingweight, which is the proportion of the racquet's total weight that is 'represented' at a particular impact location. Hittingweight is almost directly proportional to Power Potential. TW University removes any uncertainty over this matter with their objective Power Potential testing, where they fire balls at a stationary racquet and measure the bounce in the real world. This is the last word on inherent racquet power. To see how well swingweight correlates to Power Potential (and how poorly static weight does) read this article:

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/specsandspeed.php

Power Potential can also be estimated using a formula. This is not ideal, as the formula can't take into account such things are racquet flex, headsize, string pattern, etc. However, in the OP's example, since the two racquets he presents have identical flex, headsize, etc., the formula works perfectly to compare these racquets.

We can use TW University's customization worksheet to access the power potential formula, as it is built into this tool, here: http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customizationReverse.php

Plugging the numbers for the OP's Racquet A and B (OP doesn't specify how headlight, let's say 9 HL) we find:

Racquet A (10 ounces, even balance, 330 SW) Power Potential: 40.86%

Racquet B (12 ounces, nine points HL, 330 SW) Power Potential: 41.06%

You can see that the extra two ounces added to racquet B does increase the power potential moderately. It may even look like a lot, but let's add just 3 grams to Racquet A at 12 o'clock to see what happens:

Racqet C (10.11 ounces, 1.1 point HL, 339 SW) Power Potential: 41.83%

Adding just one-tenth of an ounce to the head of Racquet A (and thusly increasing swingweight by 9 units) increased power potential much more than adding two whole ounces in Racquet B.

This illustrates how much swingweight has to do with inherent racquet power and how little static weight does. This fact is the basis for the development of the "hammer" type racquet weighting, which is very popular on the WTA. The Williams sisters, for example, use light sticks with extremely high swingweights.

However, Racquet B, although only marginally more powerful than Racquet A, does have it's advantages. The extra weight in the handle increases recoil weight, which makes this frame much more stable on shots where you cannot generate high swingspeed, such as volleys and serves. Also, weight in the handle improves control when the racquet is swing very fast, as explained here:

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2006/04/racquet_handle_weighting_and_m.html


So now that we know that swingweight is much more important to inherent power, we can move to the other parameter that determines actual shot speed - swingspeed.

Controlled scientific studies have shown that, again, swingweight is directly proportional to swingspeed. One study, using rods of different weights but the same swingweight, showed that static weight has no influence on swingspeed. So, a 12 ounce rod with swingweight of 330 could be swung as fast as a 10 ounce rod with swingweight of 330. This would suggest that Racquet A and Racquet B, since they have the same swingweight, could be swung just as fast as each other by the same player.

I think most of us have found that in the real world the 12 ounce racquet is going to swing slower than the 10 ounce one. There could be two scientific explanations for this:

1) In most of the studies, the swingweight used in the tests was the swingweight measured at the wrist axis, about 10 cm beyond the end of the racquet. Some studies even include the weight of the hand. When you measure swingweight at the wrist, there's a formula you use (the parallel axis theorem) that takes into account balance and static weight. So the 12 ounce racquet will have a higher swingweight at the wrist than the 10 ounce racquet.

2) Swingweight, measured 4" from the bottom of the handle, or at the wrist, is a measure of how difficult it is to swing the racquet in an arc. But not all of the swingpath is circular. The initial part of the swing is often quite linear, and during this portion of the swing the heavier racquet would be more difficult to accelerate, even if it has the same swingweight. This is also well explained in the Racquet Sports Industry article above.


So, the short of it:

Swingweight is much more important to inherent racquet power than static weight.

Swingspeed is primarly dependent on swingweight, but if the swingweight of two racquets is the same (like with Racquet A and B) then the one with less static weight (Racquet A) will be easier to swing, and can thus be swung faster. But, it might be more difficult to control.

Finally, inherent racquet power is much more important on shots with a lower swingspeed. Beginners, who can't generate fast swings, can therefore use a very powerful racquet, as the racquet makes a bigger contribution to speed of shot when the swing is slow. This is also the case on volleys and service returns, where a short swing leads to slow swingspeeds.

On the other hand, at fast swing speeds, the speed of the racquet head is much more important to the speed of the shot than inherent racquet power. Inversely, this means that at fast swing speeds the inherent power of the racquet doesn't really matter. In this case, a racquet with better control is more useful than one with more inherent power. This also implies that if you want to hit the ball fast, you should chose a racquet that you can swing very fast, even if it isn't particularly powerful (in other words, a racquet with a low swingweight).


But then you get into the tradeoffs:

1) If you choose a low-swingweight racquet you will be able to swing it very fast, generating fast shots with lots of spin, BUT, on shots where you can't take a full swing (volleys and returns) the low-swingweight racquet will be unstable and not very powerful.

Racquets that provide this type of tradeoff are the lighter player's sticks, like the Volkl Power Bridge 9, Babolat Pure Storm Ltd and Dunlop 4D 100.

2) If you choose a racquet with high-swingweight, but low static weight (like Racquet A) you will have high inherent power and, because of the lower static weight, you will be able to swing it pretty fast. This will make for a powerful racquet from the baseline, reasonably stable and powerful on returns and volleys, BUT, because there is not very much weight in the handle of the racquet, control will suffer.

Racquets that provide this type of tradeoff are the baseline-oriented Pure Drives and hammer-type sticks. These racquets, as noted above, are vary popular on the WTA tour. Justine Henin uses this type of setup and it obviously works really well for her, even up at the net. Rafael Nadal swings this type of frame as well....

3) If you choose a racquet with high-swingweight and also high static weight (like Racquet B) it will also be quite headlight (because the extra weight has to go somewhere other than the head, which means the handle, which means the racquet will be headlight). The high-swingweight will confer good inherent power and stability at the baseline. The racquet will not swing quite as fast as Racquet A, but because there is lots of weight in the handle control will be very good. Stability on returns and volleys will be excellent because of the swingweight and high recoil weight. Maneuverability at net will be good because of the headlight balance. However, if the racquet is just a bit too heavy for you shots that require quick adjustments or wrist flicks will be tough to pull off. Also, if your strokes are wristy and explosive, the heavy weight might impede your technique and reduce the amount of spin you can generate. This type of stick is best for more classical technique and serve and volley play.

Racquets that provide this type of tradeoff are heavy player's sticks like Wilson Tour 90 and 95, Volkl PB10, Dunlop 4D 200 Tour.

Most of the men on tour use this type of stick, although they usually add more lead in the head, making the swingweight higher. This is an adaptation to today's power baseline style. Historically, Pete Sampras's stick was the perfect example of this at 13 ounces, 8HL and 365 swingweight.
100% spot on! saving this post.
 

Pumpkin

Professional
In your experiment when you compared a 26.5” racket to a 27” why did the 26.6” hit the ball farther? Lower SW, lower balance, and the racket was traveling faster.
I'm still not convinced it was travelling faster. Further experimentation is required. Which I will do when I get the chance.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
@1HBHfanatic Hi. Are you an advocate of heavier racquets? May I ask what kind of setup you have?
-yes
-i have an old style swing, lending itself to flatter trajectory
-heavier racquets work better or me
-lately ive been using the wil.RF.ps.97, the y.v.pro.H.97, both of wich are 12.8, 12.9 oz weight
-all my racquets are 10pts HL!, that usually means 1.5'-2.5' of 1/2" lead tape on the handle (under the overgrip)
-on the w.RF.ps.97 h.lynx or b.rpm.power work best (since the RA is higher on this racquet), 49lbs (usually below 50lbs)
-on the y.v.p.H97 i am liking most co.polys, currently topspin.cyber flash 53/51lbs (usually close to 50)
 

Pumpkin

Professional
-yes
-i have an old style swing, lending itself to flatter trajectory
-heavier racquets work better or me
-lately ive been using the wil.RF.ps.97, the y.v.pro.H.97, both of wich are 12.8, 12.9 oz weight
-all my racquets are 10pts HL!, that usually means 1.5'-2.5' of 1/2" lead tape on the handle (under the overgrip)
-on the w.RF.ps.97 h.lynx or b.rpm.power work best (since the RA is higher on this racquet), 49lbs (usually below 50lbs)
-on the y.v.p.H97 i am liking most co.polys, currently topspin.cyber flash 53/51lbs (usually close to 50)
Oh cool man. That's a nice setup. "Real" racquets. Not toys. I'm surprised you use poly string if you have flatter strokes.

I have a racquet here that I've had most my life. Can't remember where I got it or who gave it to me. Slazenger designed in australia made in Korea. Doesn't have the specs on the racket but it's 380g or 13.4 oz. 1/4" shorter than standard length. 9pts HL. Very very flexible. Don't know the head size. Maybe a 90. Maybe less. Graphite and ceramic Strung with technifibre NRG2 @ 49lbs. It's a beast. Had a lot of success with it. Excellent for volleys.

So you don't notice the lead tape under the grip? It doesnt make the grip size feel bigger at all ?
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
@Pumpkin
"so you don't notice the lead tape under the grip? It doesnt make the grip size feel bigger at all ?"

-no, not much
-just wrap the lead around the grip, just like wrapping "an overgrip", its very thin anyways
-i prefer this method ^ over "long strips along the bevels of the grip, which i've also done in the past
-wrapping the lead concentrates the weight where i like/need it, under my grip!!
 
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