Donald Young still never lost to anyone younger than him?
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Klatu Verata Necktie
Hall of Fame
Neither has he beaten anyone older than himself.
thalivest
Banned
pc1
G.O.A.T.
I hope the kid suceeds but here's his current record. He'll be 20 next month.
He's 159 in the world and I guess he's young (no pun) enough to move up. He better get moving however. He's no kid anyone and there have been a lot of players far superior to him at the same age.
RANKING
Rollover
Race
Current Singles 159
Current Doubles 648 Not Available
Career High Singles 73 * (21 Apr 2008 78 * (24 Mar 2008
Career High Doubles 203 * (12 Nov 2007) *
Singles Year End 140
Doubles Year End 453
WIN - LOSS (Main Draw)
Win
Loss
Current Year Singles 9 9
Current Year Doubles 3 2
Career Singles (Tour Level Only) 10 34
Career Doubles (Tour Level Only) 1 10
Career Singles (incl. ITF Challengers and ITF Pro Circuits) 99 84
Career Doubles (incl. ITF Challengers and ITF Pro Circuits) 44 36
He's 159 in the world and I guess he's young (no pun) enough to move up. He better get moving however. He's no kid anyone and there have been a lot of players far superior to him at the same age.
RANKING
Rollover
Race
Current Singles 159
Current Doubles 648 Not Available
Career High Singles 73 * (21 Apr 2008 78 * (24 Mar 2008
Career High Doubles 203 * (12 Nov 2007) *
Singles Year End 140
Doubles Year End 453
WIN - LOSS (Main Draw)
Win
Loss
Current Year Singles 9 9
Current Year Doubles 3 2
Career Singles (Tour Level Only) 10 34
Career Doubles (Tour Level Only) 1 10
Career Singles (incl. ITF Challengers and ITF Pro Circuits) 99 84
Career Doubles (incl. ITF Challengers and ITF Pro Circuits) 44 36
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hewittboy
Banned
He has beaten ALOT of guys older than him.
thalivest
Banned
I wonder how he beat him. I would love to see the winners-unforced errors ratio. Most matches Young loses are by making too many errors. Harrison plays agressively though so he might have just overpowered Young.
Donald lost his composure with some poor officiating, it was a couple of blatantly obvious calls going against Donald and he lost his cool. But these things are a part of the game unfortunately and every tennis player has to deal with them. And its who deals with adversity better usually will win the match.
Also watched the prior match (Levine v McClune) Some horrible calls going against Levine in the first and second set. He didn't let it affect him and went on to win the match.
I have to say though, I'm glad were at the dawn of technology like hawk-eye these days at the bigger events because as humans, we do make a lot of mistakes.
Also watched the prior match (Levine v McClune) Some horrible calls going against Levine in the first and second set. He didn't let it affect him and went on to win the match.
I have to say though, I'm glad were at the dawn of technology like hawk-eye these days at the bigger events because as humans, we do make a lot of mistakes.
thalivest
Banned
Thanks for the info. Do you think there was purposeful bias against Young or was it just coincidental bad calls? Also do you have any idea of the winner-errors stats between the two?
You know what, now that you brought it up I do think there was some bias. There was a bi-partisan crowd tonight, probably half black half white. Of course most of the black folk came to see Donald and were very vocal.
The officiating crew were also probably 50 50 black and white. The chair umpire was a white dude. Most of the bad calls against DY were called by white linesmen, and the one bad line call against RH was called by a black lineswoman. Both players were frustrated at this especially donald.
There was one instance where RH hit a passing shot that clipped the tape and landed close to the singles line probably 5 feet away from the ump that everyone saw out, the linesman called it out but the chair ump overruled it and called it in, this caused the most rage out of DY.
35ft6
Legend
Posted on 10-21:
Yeah, pretty obvious probably, but thought I'd gloat anyways. Him going so long without losing to anybody younger is a testament to his talent really. I wonder how long Hewitt, Agassi, Becker, Gasquet, and Nadal went before losing to somebody younger in the pros? I wonder who went the longest in the ATP before they lost to somebody younger?
edberg505
Legend
I'm pretty sure Del Potro brought an end to Nadal's streak.
Datacipher
Banned
Agassi did not go longer than 89 for sure, since he lost to Courier that year. Nor did Courier go that long, since he lost to Chang that same year. I'd bet Chang went longer than many. Hewitt and Becker may also have gone for quite a while, I imagine. Off the top of my head, the first prodigy that springs to mind who Becker lost to was Ivanisevic...actually, no he would have lost to Alberto Mancini before that.
35ft6
Legend
^ Yeah, as I get older, the accomplishments of guys in their teens and even early 20's become more amazing to me. Becker winning Wimbledon at 17 is just incomprehensible, especially back in those days when you had to use the most difficult to master, time intensive style of play, serve and volley, in order to win. After Becker, who's the youngest guy to get the farthest in that tournament?
Being a phenom on clay, the way Nadal was, is amazing, too, but not as much as dominating on fast 80's grass. Youthful qualities like speed, endurance, enthusiasm, and recuperative powers are great assets on clay. I do give Nadal a lot of credit for his point construction on clay, which might be the best I've ever seen.
Being a phenom on clay, the way Nadal was, is amazing, too, but not as much as dominating on fast 80's grass. Youthful qualities like speed, endurance, enthusiasm, and recuperative powers are great assets on clay. I do give Nadal a lot of credit for his point construction on clay, which might be the best I've ever seen.
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
Cool, all we need to do now is build a time machine and stick federer, djokovic and nadal in it.
JoshDragon
Hall of Fame
Courier doesn't really count, he's the same age as Andre.
AlpineCadet
Hall of Fame
Saw him in person and was shocked at how fast he could move, too bad he lost to Rajeev Ram.
britbox
Rookie
Lol. At least Young's other streak is still going. He still hasn't lost to anyone with ginger hair wearing a blindfold and weighing over 350lb.
edmondsm
Legend
What does that mean? Freddy is only 20, you talk like his career is over? The kid is talented, we just don't have the soccer institutions in place over here to foster growth, so he's forced to go live in a foreign country and ply his trade on a continent where people make monkey sounds and throw bananas at black athletes.
USTA Playoffs for the Aussie Open WC, it was held in ATL this past weekend.
crackbillionair
Rookie
Agree on Becker. Nice post. Too bad time intensive tennis has gone the way of the dinosaur. Also, obviously very impressive that Boris successfully defended his 1st Wimbledon title at age 18.
Honorable mention goes to Johnny Mac. Making the semis at Wimbledon before turning pro was a neat trick.
As for DY...all the kids around him got taller, and he didn't. I'm a fan of his. I hope he finds a way. But he has to play too much defense and has too much trouble holding serve. I don't like defensive tennis, either. I like him because he is an American, not because of his style. The game/media/fans built him up so much...I will feel really badly for him if he doesn't have some sort of successful careeer...it's a lot for a kid to deal with.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
This doesn't count as an 'official' match(a wildcard playoff is not part of the ATP)
I'm pretty sure Borg has this record(he was 22 when he lost to McEnroe for the 1st time, in November '78) Borg was a pro since he was 15.
After Becker winning W as a 17 & an 18 year old, the next youngest winner there was Borg at 20.
the only other 18 year olds to make the semis of Wimbledon in the Open Era are Mac in '77 & Goran in '90.
No other 17 year old has even made it as far as the QF's at Wimbledon.
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edmondsm
Legend
Thats cool, I had forgotten they did that. And they play best of 5 in the final of the playoff which is even cooler. Looks like Harrison rolled over Jesse Levine in the final. That's a good sign. Harrison always looked like a kid who had the physical potential of being a pro. Anyone know what he's serving these days. Back when he beat Cuevas in Houston somebody said that he was serving in the 120's. He was 15!!! Never figured out if that was true.
I'd say no. He looked a good 2-3 inches shorter than Sock.
borg number one
Legend
Overall, B. Borg takes the cake in terms of being a "prodigy" in tennis.
Nadal so far is his closest competition in that department, and Becker's early success is also very impressive.
The only player Borg lost to during his whole career (retired by 25-26) was John McEnroe, and he was 7-7 against him on all fast surfaces. I can't think of any other younger players he lost to during his career, but perhaps some other posters can recall others besides McEnroe.
Borg's "youngster" accomplishments (wikipedia):
* In 1972 Borg became the youngest ever winner of a Davis Cup match at age 15.
* In 1974, one month before his 18th birthday, Borg became the youngest winner of the Italian Open. That record has since been broken.
* In 1974, only days after his 18th birthday, Borg became the youngest man ever to hold a Grand Slam singles title. He retained that distinction until another Swede, Mats Wilander, won the French Open in 1982. The mark has since been lowered by Michael Chang from the US.
* At 18 he was the youngest winner of the US Pro Tennis Championships until Aaron Krickstein won in 1983.
* In 1976 at age 20 Borg became the youngest winner of Wimbledon during the open era until Boris Becker became the youngest Grand Slam winner of all time by taking Wimbledon at age 17 years, 7 months in 1985 (a record broken by Michael Chang who won the French Open when he was 17 years, 3 months in 1989).
* Borg won his 11th Grand Slam singles title in 1981 aged 25 years and 1 day, the youngest male to reach that number of titles. By comparison, Roger Federer won his 11th aged 25 years and 324 days; Pete Sampras won his 11th at almost age 27, Roy Emerson at age 30, and Rod Laver at age 31.
With Donald Young, he's still got many years of tennis left and he may turn out to be somewhat of a late bloomer, drawing upon his experiences and developing a better overall game. I saw him play the qualifier at the US Clay Court Championships in Houston a few years ago, soon after he turned pro, and he's obviously got a ton of talent. He has excellent fundamentals.
Nadal so far is his closest competition in that department, and Becker's early success is also very impressive.
The only player Borg lost to during his whole career (retired by 25-26) was John McEnroe, and he was 7-7 against him on all fast surfaces. I can't think of any other younger players he lost to during his career, but perhaps some other posters can recall others besides McEnroe.
Borg's "youngster" accomplishments (wikipedia):
* In 1972 Borg became the youngest ever winner of a Davis Cup match at age 15.
* In 1974, one month before his 18th birthday, Borg became the youngest winner of the Italian Open. That record has since been broken.
* In 1974, only days after his 18th birthday, Borg became the youngest man ever to hold a Grand Slam singles title. He retained that distinction until another Swede, Mats Wilander, won the French Open in 1982. The mark has since been lowered by Michael Chang from the US.
* At 18 he was the youngest winner of the US Pro Tennis Championships until Aaron Krickstein won in 1983.
* In 1976 at age 20 Borg became the youngest winner of Wimbledon during the open era until Boris Becker became the youngest Grand Slam winner of all time by taking Wimbledon at age 17 years, 7 months in 1985 (a record broken by Michael Chang who won the French Open when he was 17 years, 3 months in 1989).
* Borg won his 11th Grand Slam singles title in 1981 aged 25 years and 1 day, the youngest male to reach that number of titles. By comparison, Roger Federer won his 11th aged 25 years and 324 days; Pete Sampras won his 11th at almost age 27, Roy Emerson at age 30, and Rod Laver at age 31.
With Donald Young, he's still got many years of tennis left and he may turn out to be somewhat of a late bloomer, drawing upon his experiences and developing a better overall game. I saw him play the qualifier at the US Clay Court Championships in Houston a few years ago, soon after he turned pro, and he's obviously got a ton of talent. He has excellent fundamentals.
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35ft6
Legend
Cool. Thanks for that.
I already posted this, but saw Donald Young play a few weeks ago. He looked absolutely terrible in the first set. Must have hit, no kidding, about 10 double faults. Maybe more. His mom just sat there being a good mom, stoic, showing no emotion. But he needs a coach, not a mom. Can't imagine Donald whining on court, hitting 3 double faults in a game, with a real coach nearby. And he didn't seem to have a game plan at all.
However, in the second set, he turned it up, and I think I saw glimpses of the kind of talent that made so many people rave about him. A few points, he hit the ball earlier and earlier, moving the ball around unpredictably, very smooth looking, like a 6 cylinder version of Rios. Except he doesn't have Rios simple strokes or Greg Maddux like serve. Still, he did appear to have great hands, and on a few points, looked very talented, but he doesn't seem very intense. Who knows if he can maintain the intensity needed to become ATP top 25.
ATXtennisaddict
Hall of Fame
He could win a LOT of slams when he's 40.
Rhino
Legend
Most people won't see it that way.
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