Dragon Ball Super discussion

MichaelNadal

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It's always so epic when Goku goes SSBKaoiken!
Loving Gohan right now, about time he enjoys fighting again.
 

ByakuFubuki

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So, it looks like Krillin and 18 will pull out too. That's too bad, because 18 hasn't had a serious fight since she basically tortured Vegeta back in the Android Saga. I like that there's such a sudden plot twist, though.

So, if the "let's just resurrect Freeza" plan rumored is true, we can assume Cell will get the same treatment, but who will the third member be? I'd think about Ginyu, who gave trouble to the Fighters and who knows teamwork (in his own way), being a five-men Force Leader. And since the Tournament will only last 48 minutes, I assume they'll be resurrected through Baba (I don't remember if her powers have limitations such as "only one person at time", but it doesn't matter because that kind of rull will somehow be bent anyway). Problem is Cell doesn't have one month of time to train, but I think they'll find a way to play around it.

At first I had the same bad opinion about Freeza being brought back once again as you guys, but in the end Fukkatsu no F was pretty poor as a return, so it wouldn't be too bad to have a better display of what he's really capable of. Besides, Frost's presence is pretty much confirmed just like Buu's was, so we can have an interesting clash. Speaking of Frost, why didn't he revert to his First Form while at large?

Provided I didn't watch MichealNadal's video to avoid Spoilers and as such I don't know how reliable it is, what else would you think they can do if the theory is proved fake instead? The idea of new Characters coming from other Planets seems far-fetched because of what someone (Kaioshin? Whis? I can't remember) said before they started the recruitment, but maybe Neo Nameck? Otherwise, Yamcha will perhaps have his moment of glory? :eek:
 

MichaelNadal

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Anyone else hyped about the Goku/Frieza face to face conversation in the next episode?

... I am :)

Watching Super when I get home #CantWait
He's crazy if he trusts Frieza. It's bad enough that Vegeta is already thinking about turning on him lol, this match is gonna be sick af
 

ByakuFubuki

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Watching Super when I get home #CantWait
He's crazy if he trusts Frieza. It's bad enough that Vegeta is already thinking about turning on him lol, this match is gonna be sick af
I don't know if you already watched it, but
From the preview I think he has something in his mind to make him not want to try anything funny. Besides, it looks like Freeza will ask for something in return, and I can't wait to find out what that may be, considering his actual situation.

By the way I must say he looks weird -yet cool- with the halo, especially in Golden Form. Except I still find his purple face in said Form a punch in the eye.
 

MichaelNadal

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I don't know if you already watched it, but
From the preview I think he has something in his mind to make him not want to try anything funny. Besides, it looks like Freeza will ask for something in return, and I can't wait to find out what that may be, considering his actual situation.

By the way I must say he looks weird -yet cool- with the halo, especially in Golden Form. Except I still find his purple face in said Form a punch in the eye.

Been sleeping, about to in a bit, with popcorn lol. Thanks for using tags :)
 

NatF

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I don't know if you already watched it, but
From the preview I think he has something in his mind to make him not want to try anything funny. Besides, it looks like Freeza will ask for something in return, and I can't wait to find out what that may be, considering his actual situation.

By the way I must say he looks weird -yet cool- with the halo, especially in Golden Form. Except I still find his purple face in said Form a punch in the eye.

Hyped for the return of Freeza. Say what you want but no other villain has the backstory and history with the rest of the cast like Freeza.

Also lol'd at Turillin
 
Hyped for the return of Freeza. Say what you want but no other villain has the backstory and history with the rest of the cast like Freeza.

Also lol'd at Turillin

I'm very excited about the return of Frieza. I'm going to enjoy his trash talks, and how the rest of the cast interact with him. Since about half of them can more or less "check" him if need be.
 

NatF

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I'm very excited about the return of Frieza. I'm going to enjoy his trash talks, and how the rest of the cast interact with him. Since about half of them can more or less "check" him if need be.

I saw some speculation that as he'll be dead he'll have more stam in golden form like Goku did with SSJ3. That would be some nice continuity. Hopefully we see some of his old techniques as well.
 
I saw some speculation that as he'll be dead he'll have more stam in golden form like Goku did with SSJ3. That would be some nice continuity. Hopefully we see some of his old techniques as well.

I don't care for any of that... I just want him to run his mouth nonstop. :)
 

ByakuFubuki

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Been sleeping, about to in a bit, with popcorn lol. Thanks for using tags :)
As usual I didn't really say much, but welcome ;) I'm afraid popcorn is much more suited to the next episode, though.
Hyped for the return of Freeza. Say what you want but no other villain has the backstory and history with the rest of the cast like Freeza.

Also lol'd at Turillin
Agree on everything :D Plus,
Weird as I am, Freeza is among my favourite characters, so I'm really looking forward to see him in action again.

It was also just awesome how Beerus complained for Goku eliminating his family and then got shocked when the latter proposed to bring him back.
I saw some speculation that as he'll be dead he'll have more stam in golden form like Goku did with SSJ3. That would be some nice continuity. Hopefully we see some of his old techniques as well.
Super Saiyan 3 costed Goku some time alive (provided Freeza will be resurrected with the same method), but then again the Tournament will last less than a hour, so I think he may stay transformed for its whole duration as well. How much did the clash in Fukkatsu no F last in Dragon Ball Time?
 

NatF

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I'm still feeling the hype after Ep 93 man. The NEP for next week looks like it's going to be a good one too.

Also...

There can be no doubt that bringing back Freeza was the right choice now. That 4 minutes with Goku held so much gravitas.[/SPOILERS]
 

ByakuFubuki

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I'm still feeling the hype after Ep 93 man. The NEP for next week looks like it's going to be a good one too.[...]
That's because they're procrastinating a lot like in Z times :mad: They need a whole episode to make Goku walk a step. Let the damn Tournament begin!
But at least they kept it coherent by having Goku reach Freeza with nothing in his hands and letting the latter take control of the thing, although I think Goku had much better options to try before accepting his request.
 
That's because they're procrastinating a lot like in Z times :mad: They need a whole episode to make Goku walk a step. Let the damn Tournament begin!
But at least they kept it coherent by having Goku reach Freeza with nothing in his hands and letting the latter take control of the thing, although I think Goku had much better options to try before accepting his request.

I agree. I mean, he freaking reached out to cyclops and the Krillmaster. By that measurement, EVERYONE is a better option
 

NatF

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That's because they're procrastinating a lot like in Z times :mad: They need a whole episode to make Goku walk a step. Let the damn Tournament begin!
But at least they kept it coherent by having Goku reach Freeza with nothing in his hands and letting the latter take control of the thing, although I think Goku had much better options to try before accepting his request.

I agree. I mean, he freaking reached out to cyclops and the Krillmaster. By that measurement, EVERYONE is a better option


There's potentially a guy in there stronger than Beerus, the only other option is like Yamcha or Jaco. Plus Freeza is the GOAT.

I don't mind the build up so much, there's a few episodes which I think could have been cut like the one with Tien for example but as long as the tournament runs for like twice the length it's ok to me.
 

MichaelNadal

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There's potentially a guy in there stronger than Beerus, the only other option is like Yamcha or Jaco. Plus Freeza is the GOAT.

I don't mind the build up so much, there's a few episodes which I think could have been cut like the one with Tien for example but as long as the tournament runs for like twice the length it's ok to me.

The tournament match is going to be so epic. A battle royal with no flying, im still imagining the possibilities.
 

ByakuFubuki

Semi-Pro
I agree. I mean, he freaking reached out to cyclops and the Krillmaster. By that measurement, EVERYONE is a better option

There's potentially a guy in there stronger than Beerus, the only other option is like Yamcha or Jaco. Plus Freeza is the GOAT.

I don't mind the build up so much, there's a few episodes which I think could have been cut like the one with Tien for example but as long as the tournament runs for like twice the length it's ok to me.
You guys got me wrong: I was talking about bargain alternatives, no fighter alternatives. To resurrect Freeza through Baba is actually a very good idea, as they have enough old mates to do Teamwork with and as he's supposed to replace no less than Majin Buu. But while to promise to resurrect him permanently could have been his last resort anyway, he was in the position to at least attempt something else, like promising a fight to death where no one would have interfered, thus giving Freeza yet another chance to get revenge (Tournament lasts less than a hour, Freeza has 24 to live). Of course it would probably have ended up with Freeza refusing and forcing him to use the Dragon Balls anyway, but it was worth a try in my opinion, especially considering that Freeza already showed to be willing to partecipate to have a day off from Hell if anything.

That said, Freeza doesn't know Shenron can't grant the same wish twice, does he? Because from what I understood he accepted to be resurrected through Earth's Dragon Balls rather than the Super Dragon Balls.
 

NatF

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You guys got me wrong: I was talking about bargain alternatives, no fighter alternatives. To resurrect Freeza through Baba is actually a very good idea, as they have enough old mates to do Teamwork with and as he's supposed to replace no less than Majin Buu. But while to promise to resurrect him permanently could have been his last resort anyway, he was in the position to at least attempt something else, like promising a fight to death where no one would have interfered, thus giving Freeza yet another chance to get revenge (Tournament lasts less than a hour, Freeza has 24 to live). Of course it would probably have ended up with Freeza refusing and forcing him to use the Dragon Balls anyway, but it was worth a try in my opinion, especially considering that Freeza already showed to be willing to partecipate to have a day off from Hell if anything.

That said, Freeza doesn't know Shenron can't grant the same wish twice, does he? Because from what I understood he accepted to be resurrected through Earth's Dragon Balls rather than the Super Dragon Balls.

Ah I get you now. Goku is just itching to fight Freeza again, good potential for future development - Freeza as a lone wolf.

Since Dende remade the Dragon Balls they can do the same wish twice IIRC.
 

ByakuFubuki

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Ah I get you now. Goku is just itching to fight Freeza again, good potential for future development - Freeza as a lone wolf.

Since Dende remade the Dragon Balls they can do the same wish twice IIRC.
Lone Wolf Freeza ignoring the Team's strategy and orders to just do as he pleases is going to kick arses badly ;) I'm looking forward to it, that's also why all the procrastination, which I usually have nothing against and which I always expect anyway, is bothering me.

I remembered he just made it so that Shenron could grant three wishes instead of one, but I may very well be wrong.
 

NatF

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Lone Wolf Freeza ignoring the Team's strategy and orders to just do as he pleases is going to kick arses badly ;) I'm looking forward to it, that's also why all the procrastination, which I usually have nothing against and which I always expect anyway, is bothering me.

I remembered he just made it so that Shenron could grant three wishes instead of one, but I may very well be wrong.

Looking forward to seeing Freeza go nuts on those assassins next ep. Hopefully he goes full sadist on them.

I think Vegeta got brought back with them twice so Freeza should be golden ;)
 

MichaelNadal

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I can't see new posts here and not want to check so thanks for the spoiler tags still :p Im at work for a few more hrs.
 
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Legendary Super Saiyan makes a return. This is going to be real good.
 

MichaelNadal

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This was one of the cooler episodes ever.

Lone Wolf Freeza ignoring the Team's strategy and orders to just do as he pleases is going to kick arses badly ;) I'm looking forward to it, that's also why all the procrastination, which I usually have nothing against and which I always expect anyway, is bothering me.

I remembered he just made it so that Shenron could grant three wishes instead of one, but I may very well be wrong.

Looking forward to seeing Freeza go nuts on those assassins next ep. Hopefully he goes full sadist on them.

I think Vegeta got brought back with them twice so Freeza should be golden ;)

Legendary Super Saiyan makes a return. This is going to be real good.

OK im caught up.

1. Damn Kale o_O calm down!
2. No doubt the tournament match will be very long now. They are giving so many characters build-up and attention and giving us a reason to care about what they are doing. There will be many different battles and focuses on some of these guys in the match.
3. Frieza :eek: I can't believe Goku is that pressed or even curious to fight him again.
4. Frieza is dangerous af... did you see how easy and sinister that power-up was? As EVIL as he's always been, sitting there in hell with nothing to do but seethe has made him even more evil. He makes cell and buu look like guardian angels.
 
OK im caught up.

1. Damn Kale o_O calm down!
2. No doubt the tournament match will be very long now. They are giving so many characters build-up and attention and giving us a reason to care about what they are doing. There will be many different battles and focuses on some of these guys in the match.
3. Frieza :eek: I can't believe Goku is that pressed or even curious to fight him again.
4. Frieza is dangerous af... did you see how easy and sinister that power-up was? As EVIL as he's always been, sitting there in hell with nothing to do but seethe has made him even more evil. He makes cell and buu look like guardian angels.

Yeah, Goku got bamboozled by him.

No one's going to talk about Cauliflia's transformation?
 
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Yeah, Goku got bamboozled by him.

No one's going to talk about Cauliflia's transformation?

Cauliflia's transformation was sweet, but Kale is a Legendary Super Saiyan. That changes everything. Nice to see LSSJ is now Canon, she is basically a female Broly, and her base power is going to be crazy high. LSSJ have followed a different evolution from the standard SSJ that everyone else has, they are able to put on serious muscle without any loss in speed, and are much more full contact in their fighting...clotheslines, bear hugs, head butts. And they are completely ruthless, known by many as the true super saiyans, killing machines. This will be fun.

As for Frieza entering...I would love to see him meet his counterpart on Hit's team, that should be very interesting! Potential is through the roof atm, this could be insanely good if done right.
 
Cauliflia's transformation was sweet, but Kale is a Legendary Super Saiyan. That changes everything. Nice to see LSSJ is now Canon, she is basically a female Broly, and her base power is going to be crazy high. LSSJ have followed a different evolution from the standard SSJ that everyone else has, they are able to put on serious muscle without any loss in speed, and are much more full contact in their fighting...clotheslines, bear hugs, head butts. And they are completely ruthless, known by many as the true super saiyans, killing machines. This will be fun.

As for Frieza entering...I would love to see him meet his counterpart on Hit's team, that should be very interesting! Potential is through the roof atm, this could be insanely good if done right.

I was referring to Cauliflia's SSJ2 transformation... She JUST learned how to go SSJ1.
 

NatF

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OK im caught up.

1. Damn Kale o_O calm down!
2. No doubt the tournament match will be very long now. They are giving so many characters build-up and attention and giving us a reason to care about what they are doing. There will be many different battles and focuses on some of these guys in the match.
3. Frieza :eek: I can't believe Goku is that pressed or even curious to fight him again.
4. Frieza is dangerous af... did you see how easy and sinister that power-up was? As EVIL as he's always been, sitting there in hell with nothing to do but seethe has made him even more evil. He makes cell and buu look like guardian angels.

Freeza is #epic man. Really liked how Hell changed colour when he came out that pod.
 
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I was referring to Cauliflia's SSJ2 transformation... She JUST learned how to go SSJ1.

Yeah. This is where we don't know how being in different universes effects the ability to move up from one stage to another. It was very quick, I agree, but these are Sayians in a different universe.
 

NatF

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Yeah. This is where we don't know how being in different universes effects the ability to move up from one stage to another. It was very quick, I agree, but these are Sayians in a different universe.

She's a prodigy I guess? Bit mad but makes good television.
 
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She's a prodigy I guess? Bit mad but makes good television.

Well, Kale just went LSSJ. Insane power just like that. They are obviously very different from the Sayians that exist in our universe if they can pull of such power levels so quickly imo.

It does make good TV though and the battle royale will be crazy good.
 
Well, Kale just went LSSJ. Insane power just like that. They are obviously very different from the Sayians that exist in our universe if they can pull of such power levels so quickly imo.

It does make good TV though and the battle royale will be crazy good.

Legendary SSJ makes sense, since you're born with it and it's just one level.

Normal SSJ should be an acquired/unlocked transformation, and likewise with SSJ2 and it should be at least twice as hard to achieve.

My problem is that, because they made Goku, Vegeta, and the rest of the cast so god damn strong now (Piccolo can trash a SSJ2 and probably give SSJ3 and Mystic forms a run if he wasn't in a teaching mood. Don't get me started with Android #17), they're just dishing out transformations left and right to the newcomers so they can match up with the original cast.
 
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Legendary SSJ makes sense, since you're born with it and it's just one level.

Normal SSJ should be an acquired/unlocked transformation, and likewise with SSJ2 and it should be at least twice as hard to achieve.

My problem is that, because they made Goku, Vegeta, and the rest of the cast so god damn strong now (Piccolo can trash a SSJ2 and probably give SSJ3 and Mystic forms a run if he wasn't in a teaching mood. Don't get me started with Android #17), they're just dishing out transformations left and right to the newcomers to they can match up with the original cast.

I agree with what you said.
 

NatF

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Legendary SSJ makes sense, since you're born with it and it's just one level.

Normal SSJ should be an acquired/unlocked transformation, and likewise with SSJ2 and it should be at least twice as hard to achieve.

My problem is that, because they made Goku, Vegeta, and the rest of the cast so god damn strong now (Piccolo can trash a SSJ2 and probably give SSJ3 and Mystic forms a run if he wasn't in a teaching mood. Don't get me started with Android #17), they're just dishing out transformations left and right to the newcomers to they can match up with the original cast.

The U6 Saiyans are just really strong base Saiyans who never learnt to go SSJ. They probably have really high power levels already which helps.
 
The U6 Saiyans are just really strong base Saiyans who never learnt to go SSJ. They probably have really high power levels already which helps.

That's fine, strong base and all, I'm even ok with the legendary stuff popping out of nowhere.

But SSJ2 within hours of learning how to go into SSJ1? I'm calling B.S. on that.

I'll even call Cauliflia a prodigy. Then, where's my Goten and Kid Trunks SSJ2 transformation? (Oh that's right, they don't fight anymore story-wise).
 

MichaelNadal

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That's fine, strong base and all, I'm even ok with the legendary stuff popping out of nowhere.

But SSJ2 within hours of learning how to go into SSJ1? I'm calling B.S. on that.

I'll even call Cauliflia a prodigy. Then, where's my Goten and Kid Trunks SSJ2 transformation? (Oh that's right, they don't fight anymore story-wise).

Goten and Kid Trunks are definitely suffering from lack of character development at this point. Would love to see teen Goten.
 
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