Electronic Eagnas Machines

[dunlop kid]

Hello i saw the electronic machines on Eagnas's website and they are a great price, and i was wondering if they were any good?

As i saw some knock off page that someone posted on another thread saying that eagnas wasnt good?

Thanks

 

[nadalfan!]

Hello i saw the electronic machines on Eagnas's website and they are a great price, and i was wondering if they were any good?

As i saw some knock off page that someone posted on another thread saying that eagnas wasnt good?

Thanks

It all depends. Some machines are very high rated while others are not really recommended. I have an Eagnas Flex 940 and I just got done stringing a racquet on there. It's awesome and I've had it for almost a year now. It was definately worth the investement. As for the electronics, stay away from the really cheap ones. Just from looking at them, I would say the plus 8000 and combo 3800 are just about the only ones really worth it by looks. I have heard pretty good feedback from these machines.

 

[jim e]

Someone on these boards a while back was in the Eagnas warehouse, and he stated that there were a # of parts scattered all over, and he had a chance to see the electronic components of a # of their machines, and they were very cheap for the components for the electronics, the units were nice copies of other manuf. but the electronics were cheapened, so the servicable life can be in question, as well as the reliability. The poster seemed to be knowledgable with electronic components, but I am not sure.Take this for what it is.In otherwords you may get a cheaper machine with the eagnas,but not necessarily a good one with their electronics.That is a difficult price range to get a reliable electronic, unless you can find a used unit.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

IMO, electronics are too complex for me to take a shot with Eagnas on.

 

[pmata814]

Unless you are going to get a higher end machine with constant pulll, why would you even want an electonic? May as well get a crank machine. It's the same thing just more reliable. (lower end electronic machines are lock-out not constant pull)

It seems that the Flex 940 is one of the machines that people here have had success with.

 

[Lakers4Life]

Hello i saw the electronic machines on Eagnas's website and they are a great price, and i was wondering if they were any good?

As i saw some knock off page that someone posted on another thread saying that eagnas wasnt good?

Thanks

What you probably saw the was the SP propaganda page, where they compare thier constant pull machine to a low end Eagnas. It was a camera trick, when SP showed that their machine was constant pulling, they were actually changing the tension by hand (that you don't see on camera). Also they were comparing thier Higher end Constant Pull machine to a low end Eagnas.

I probably would not recomend their entry-level or low end Electronic tension machines. Though their high end machines are probably comparable to the other high end machines of Gamma, Prince/Ektelon, etc.

The better solution would still be a Wise 2086 Tension head upgrade to any crank machine and some drop weight machines.

 

[LttlElvis]

The better solution would still be a Wise 2086 Tension head upgrade to any crank machine and some drop weight machines.

Are you sure about that?

 

[Lakers4Life]

^^^It's a matter of personal preference, but that seems to be what a majority of people are doing. I have not seen any other product that can upgrade a manual crank type machine.

What would you do?

 

[LttlElvis]

^^^It's a matter of personal preference, but that seems to be what a majority of people are doing. I have not seen any other product that can upgrade a manual crank type machine.

What would you do?

It's true that the Wise is the only machine you can simply add to your existing crank. I believe if you look hard enough, Gamma and Mutual Power have add ons, but they have rotational grippers rather than the linear grip like the Wise.

I do have a little buyer's remorse with my Wise. I should have just bought a high end electronic machine to begin with.

 

[precision2b]

Not True!!!

What you probably saw the was the SP propaganda page, where they compare thier constant pull machine to a low end Eagnas. It was a camera trick, when SP showed that their machine was constant pulling, they were actually changing the tension by hand (that you don't see on camera). Also they were comparing thier Higher end Constant Pull machine to a low end Eagnas.

I probably would not recomend their entry-level or low end Electronic tension machines. Though their high end machines are probably comparable to the other high end machines of Gamma, Prince/Ektelon, etc.

The better solution would still be a Wise 2086 Tension head upgrade to any crank machine and some drop weight machines.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know where you got your information from but it is not right!!! I have a DG and have used it 4 years now and it works as advertised. I wait to clamp the string as it dose re-adjust for tension loss. The video is the DG tension head. When I calibrate it, I use a electronic calibrator (purchased GSS) and you can see the constant pull in action with syn gut on the calibrator… And bty the tension is dead on!!!

I can’t say anything about other stringing machines because the DG is the only one I have strung on. Now the other suggestion you made ( The better solution would still be a Wise 2086 Tension head upgrade to any crank machine and some drop weight machines.) might be a good option. But the statement made about SP is not true. Plus the guys at SP are great to work with…

 

[precision2b]

Not True!!!

What you probably saw the was the SP propaganda page, where they compare thier constant pull machine to a low end Eagnas. It was a camera trick, when SP showed that their machine was constant pulling, they were actually changing the tension by hand (that you don't see on camera). Also they were comparing thier Higher end Constant Pull machine to a low end Eagnas.

I probably would not recomend their entry-level or low end Electronic tension machines. Though their high end machines are probably comparable to the other high end machines of Gamma, Prince/Ektelon, etc.

The better solution would still be a Wise 2086 Tension head upgrade to any crank machine and some drop weight machines.

I don’t know where you got your information from but it is not right!!! I have a DG and have used it 4 years now and it works as advertised. I wait to clamp the string as it dose re-adjust for tension loss. The video is the DG tension head. When I calibrate it, I use a electronic calibrator (purchased GSS) and you can see the constant pull in action with syn gut on the calibrator… And bty the tension is dead on!!!

I can’t say anything about other stringing machines because the DG is the only one I have strung on. Now the other suggestion you made ( The better solution would still be a Wise 2086 Tension head upgrade to any crank machine and some drop weight machines.) might be a good option. But the statement made about SP is not true. Plus the guys at SP are great to work with…

 

[Lakers4Life]

It's true that the Wise is the only machine you can simply add to your existing crank. I believe if you look hard enough, Gamma and Mutual Power have add ons, but they have rotational grippers rather than the linear grip like the Wise.

I do have a little buyer's remorse with my Wise. I should have just bought a high end electronic machine to begin with.

There was one from Eagnas too, some how they mounted their "Toad Stool" rotational tensionhead on the crank bar, for $429. I'd rather spend the extra money on a Wise. What was interesting to see was an Air Power tensionhead for a factory use and a motorized Crank. Both probably don't have constant pull, but was still interesting to see.

If money were no object, a Wilson Baiardo is like owning a Bently or Roll-Royce. Followed by a Babolat Star 5 and Prince 6000. Some of the designs start to look like something from Star Trek.

 

[dunlop kid]

Ok thanks guys for all the info, but do any of you know if the high end professional electric stringers from Eagnas are very good?As they seem to be a very good price.

 

[Lakers4Life]

Someone mentioned they just bought a Smart 3800. I can't remember who it was.

 

[COPEY]

I do have a little buyer's remorse with my Wise. I should have just bought a high end electronic machine to begin with.

Care to elaborate on that?

 

[LttlElvis]

Care to elaborate on that?

It's kind of plasticky, and I think overpriced. I don't want to veer away from the OPs original questions, but I've stated my thoughts on the Wise a few times here.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=198939

 

[LttlElvis]

Ok thanks guys for all the info, but do any of you know if the high end professional electric stringers from Eagnas are very good?As they seem to be a very good price.

Yes, their prices are very attractive. For some reason there just are not any reviews here on their higher end electric machines. I've always been curious about them too, and would enjoy if someone gave us pictures and a review.

 

[pmata814]

... I should have just bought a high end electronic machine to begin with.

Just curious...could you have afforded to do that? I know that in my case I bought the Axis Pro and about 2 years later I could afford to upgrade and I did so with the WISE.

I also catch myself thinking "I should have purchased a high-end electronic from the get-go" but then I remember that I couldn't afford it and I would've had to wait a long time before I COULD afford it. Besides, I like the WISE quite a bit. I'm very happy with my purchase.

 

[dancraig]

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[dgdawg]

What you probably saw the was the SP propaganda page, where they compare thier constant pull machine to a low end Eagnas. It was a camera trick, when SP showed that their machine was constant pulling, they were actually changing the tension by hand (that you don't see on camera). Also they were comparing thier Higher end Constant Pull machine to a low end Eagnas.

I probably would not recomend their entry-level or low end Electronic tension machines. Though their high end machines are probably comparable to the other high end machines of Gamma, Prince/Ektelon, etc.

The better solution would still be a Wise 2086 Tension head upgrade to any crank machine and some drop weight machines.

Dude-Where do you come up with this stuff???
I own an SP-DG and an Eagnas Comet 11 with a wise. The DG does exactly what SP says it does. It's not a camera trick. No smoke and mirrors, no pulling a rabbit out of a hat. It is true CP and the gripper will continue to pull until the tensioner is disengaged. The 2086 is a little more accurate tho. As soon as I get the parts I need to mount my 2086 to my SP, I will sell my Eagnas. I will use the DG tensioner for back up. In the future, you should get your facts straight before you speak of someones integrity in a world wide forum.

 

[Il Mostro]

What you probably saw the was the SP propaganda page, where they compare thier constant pull machine to a low end Eagnas. It was a camera trick, when SP showed that their machine was constant pulling, they were actually changing the tension by hand (that you don't see on camera).

And *how* do you know this? Please enlighten us with your insight.

 

[precision2b]

Dude-Where do you come up with this stuff???
I own an SP-DG and an Eagnas Comet 11 with a wise. The DG does exactly what SP says it does. It's not a camera trick. No smoke and mirrors, no pulling a rabbit out of a hat. It is true CP and the gripper will continue to pull until the tensioner is disengaged. The 2086 is a little more accurate tho. As soon as I get the parts I need to mount my 2086 to my SP, I will sell my Eagnas. I will use the DG tensioner for back up. In the future, you should get your facts straight before you speak of someones integrity in a world wide forum.

I would like to know where he got his info also, but he want respond…

 

[Sublime]

What was interesting to see was an Air Power tensionhead for a factory use and a motorized Crank.

An air powered tensioning head, that's pretty ingenious and mechanically simple.

At the heart it would just have to be a piston/cylinder with a mechanical pressure regulator. As the string stretched, the volume in the cylinder would drop and the pressure regulator would automatically allow more air in to hit the target pressure (tension) again. Clamp the string and release the pressure in the cylinder.

Any semi serious home do-it-yourselfer has a tank/pump.

 

[Lakers4Life]

It took me a while to search the Eagnas site to find the reference. Here it is: http://www.eagnas.com/maxfaq/qassault.html#trusts

I think you need to see both sides of the story to draw a logical conclusion. Eagnas seems more credible, IMO.

 

[Lakers4Life]

An air powered tensioning head, that's pretty ingenious and mechanically simple.

At the heart it would just have to be a piston/cylinder with a mechanical pressure regulator. As the string stretched, the volume in the cylinder would drop and the pressure regulator would automatically allow more air in to hit the target pressure (tension) again. Clamp the string and release the pressure in the cylinder.

Any semi serious home do-it-yourselfer has a tank/pump.

Here is link to the Air powered stringer. I wish there was a better picture.

http://www.eagnas.com/lilylee/air990h.html

 

[dgdawg]

It took me a while to search the Eagnas site to find the reference. Here it is: http://www.eagnas.com/maxfaq/qassault.html#trusts

I think you need to see both sides of the story to draw a logical conclusion. Eagnas seems more credible, IMO.

Based on your statements, I would have to say you've never dealt with SP or used one of there machines. I have done both. I can tell you from experience, SP is much more credible IMHO
The link you posted is about 10 years old. I have a DG and it IS constant pull and looks nothing like the one on this link.

 

[Lakers4Life]

I'll probably never deal with SP, it's over priced and on the other side of the country.

Eagnas probably does not want to screw it's wholesale clients, by directly advertising to the end users. Thus not being listed in the USRSA catalog. The proof is in the design, if one company truely wants to protect it's design, they would have patents or copyrights, but they don't. That's why crank tensioners look the same on all machines.

As for electric tensioners, there are two categories, Constant Pull and Non-Constant Pull. Trying to compare a constant pull vs. a non-constant pull is a bit one-sided, as in SP argument. If they had compared against a Smart 6000, it would be more credible.

 

[dgdawg]

I'll probably never deal with SP, it's over priced and on the other side of the country.

Eagnas probably does not want to screw it's wholesale clients, by directly advertising to the end users. Thus not being listed in the USRSA catalog. The proof is in the design, if one company truely wants to protect it's design, they would have patents or copyrights, but they don't. That's why crank tensioners look the same on all machines.

The USRSA dropped Eagnas b/c of the c/s rep. Most machines, sands Bab, Tecn and a few others, are all made @ the same place, they're just branded differently. SP and Top Serve have identical machines. The SP Opus is a Tyger machine. Eagnas buys more "knock off" machines than anyone. Pros Pro even has a Comet that's identical to the Eagnas Comet. Go to Al's Photo Stringer Project, you'll see the exact same machine's distributed by different companies.
The diff here, IMHO, is in the c/s and geographical location of the specific company.

 

[Lakers4Life]

The USRSA dropped Eagnas b/c of the c/s rep. Most machines, sands Bab, Tecn and a few others, are all made @ the same place, they're just branded differently. SP and Top Serve have identical machines. The SP Opus is a Tyger machine. Eagnas buys more "knock off" machines than anyone. Pros Pro even has a Comet that's identical to the Eagnas Comet. Go to Al's Photo Stringer Project, you'll see the exact same machine's distributed by different companies.
The diff here, IMHO, is in the c/s and geographical location of the specific company.

How do you know Eagnas "buys the knock-off"? Lily-Lee, Ltd. the machine company makes and markets under Eagnas brand. The easiest way to tell if they share the same manufacturer is the Turntable base, String Clamps, and Mounts.

I've seen Al's Photo project, it's pretty cool. I'm waiting for the new Wilson Baiardo, that's Industrial Masterbation at it's best.

 

[dgdawg]

How do you know Eagnas "buys the knock-off"? Lily-Lee, Ltd. the machine company makes and markets under Eagnas brand. The easiest way to tell if they share the same manufacturer is the Turntable base, String Clamps, and Mounts.

I've seen Al's Photo project, it's pretty cool. I'm waiting for the new Wilson Baiardo, that's Industrial Masterbation at it's best.

Al's site is cool. Your Baiardo analogy is awesome. Classic!!!
I've had lengthy discussions w/ Mark @ Alpha, the Wilson peeps, Prince, Tennis Machines Inc, and they all say the same thing. Even Victor eluded to it. You have an Eagnas? How do your clamps, clamp bases work? Do they need frequent adjustments? I had to swap out my Eagnas clamps/clamp bases with my SP stuff. The Eagnas c/b would stick when tightened enough to prevent big drawback and I simply hate the Eagnas string clamps. The dd is minimal and you can't feel the string when you clamp it. This is just my opinion Laker, my SP is built much better than my Eagnas. Thanks for the chat man, this is where the education comes from. Well, chats like this and spending a s**t load of money experimenting. Happy stringing dude.
PS-If it wasen't for two stupid in bounds passes by the Nuggets, the Lakers never would have made the finals
Piece-Out

 

[Lakers4Life]

Al's site is cool. Your Baiardo analogy is awesome. Classic!!!
I've had lengthy discussions w/ Mark @ Alpha, the Wilson peeps, Prince, Tennis Machines Inc, and they all say the same thing. Even Victor eluded to it. You have an Eagnas? How do your clamps, clamp bases work? Do they need frequent adjustments? I had to swap out my Eagnas clamps/clamp bases with my SP stuff. The Eagnas c/b would stick when tightened enough to prevent big drawback and I simply hate the Eagnas string clamps. The dd is minimal and you can't feel the string when you clamp it. This is just my opinion Laker, my SP is built much better than my Eagnas. Thanks for the chat man, this is where the education comes from. Well, chats like this and spending a s**t load of money experimenting. Happy stringing dude.
PS-If it wasen't for two stupid in bounds passes by the Nuggets, the Lakers never would have made the finals
Piece-Out

I have the PN-1012 clamps, I only adjust them when I change string guage (i.e. 16, 17, 17L). I clean them when I'm not too busy, but never really had any problem with them. As for the bases, I wish I had the spring assisted bases, but that's not a deal breaker. Other people have complained about the PN-1002 clamps, which are similar to Alpha and Gamma clamps.

As for drawback problem, I notice that other swivle clamps do the same thing, YULitle's videos even show this. The way I try to reduce the drawback problem is to set the clamp away from the tension head, that way it's pre loaded and can't move any more. Bar Clamps don't have or are less likely to have this problem.

I'm an open minded person and appriciate a good discussion without bias or malace. Happy stringing!

 

[precision2b]

Here is the link for United States Racquet Stringers Association's March 2002 Racquet Tech issue. It tells the pros & cons...
http://www.sptennis.com/reviews/USRSADG.html