Fed playing better with the BLX?

[Povl Carstensen]

That one's easy. Pallets can be easily modified.

Exactly, but its one more way in wich K is closer to what he was playing, painted as a n-code.

 

[happycamperjack]

Exactly, but its one more way in wich K is closer to what he was playing, painted as a n-code.

LOL how do you know k90 plays closer to what federer is playing? how do you know that federer is not using n90 with k90 pj? do you expect federer to have the same preference as u do?

 

[Jchurch]

LOL how do you know k90 plays closer to what federer is playing? how do you know that federer is not using n90 with k90 pj? do you expect federer to have the same preference as u do?

P1, his stringers confirmed that the K90 is the actual stick he uses. Wilson also markets the stick as the one that Roger Federer actually uses. If it wasn't true, they would most likely run into legal problems similar to the ones Nike ran in when he said he used different golf balls than the ones being sold.

 

[DownTheLine]

P1, his stringers confirmed that the K90 is the actual stick he uses. Wilson also markets the stick as the one that Roger Federer actually uses. If it wasn't true, they would most likely run into legal problems similar to the ones Nike ran in when he said he used different golf balls than the ones being sold.

If that was true Babolat would have those problems also. Everyone who gets a Babolat racquet from a pro you can tell the "cortex" is painted on.

Federer doesn't use the BLX or the K90. He's even said that himself.

 

[GasquetGOAT]

LOL how do you know k90 plays closer to what federer is playing? how do you know that federer is not using n90 with k90 pj? do you expect federer to have the same preference as u do?

and how do YOU know N90 plays closer to what federer is playing? How do YOU know that federer is not using K90 with BLX90 pj? LOL

 

[DownTheLine]

and how do YOU know N90 plays closer to what federer is playing? How do YOU know that federer is not using K90 with BLX90 pj? LOL

Because there have been about 1,768,776,565,455 give or take a million or two.

Federer has said himself before exactly what he uses. Prime example is James Blake. He can't find a racquet because they do CHANGE pros don't like CHANGE.

 

[GasquetGOAT]

Because there have been about 1,768,776,565,455 give or take a million or two.

Federer has said himself before exactly what he uses. Prime example is James Blake. He can't find a racquet because they do CHANGE pros don't like CHANGE.

They had been 1,768,776,565,455 give or take a million or two that say otherwise (that he never used the Ncode). Just do a search.

 

[DownTheLine]

They had been 1,768,776,565,455 give or take a million or two that say otherwise (that he never used the Ncode). Just do a search.

He didn't/ doesn't. 10 char

 

[GasquetGOAT]

He can't find a racquet because they do CHANGE pros don't like CHANGE.

Exactly "pros don't like CHANGE", but are you proposing Fed changed from PS85 to PST90 then to HPS95 and then settled on N90? I guess he loves changes then. lol

 

[GasquetGOAT]

He didn't/ doesn't. 10 char

and you know that because...?


Did he tell you that himself? or did you read it somewhere on the internet?

 

[happycamperjack]

P1, his stringers confirmed that the K90 is the actual stick he uses. Wilson also markets the stick as the one that Roger Federer actually uses. If it wasn't true, they would most likely run into legal problems similar to the ones Nike ran in when he said he used different golf balls than the ones being sold.

I'm not saying if k90 was n90 with pj, far from it. Like I said before, Fed is pretty much the only top pro using the 6.1 90 line, so wilson would let him do whatever he wants with it.

 

[DownTheLine]

and you know that because...?


Did he tell you that himself? or did you read it somewhere on the internet?

He's said that in interviews not to mention on his personal website.

Plus, him and I are best friends and hit all the time.

 

[happycamperjack]

and how do YOU know N90 plays closer to what federer is playing? How do YOU know that federer is not using K90 with BLX90 pj? LOL

I'm not saying that at all, u assume too much. All I'm saying is back in the N90 days, people have went out of their way to prove that Federer was indeed using a customized version of N90, like in the link I've posted. As for K90, I don't know if he was using it, but I believed he was using K90. As for BLX, he said he likes the new material, I have no reason to doubt him.

Federer is not Blake or just another "Pro" in terms of skills or the importance to its sponsors. And all the six-one 90 rackets have attributes similar enough for him to adapt to, especially when he has time to spend hours everyday to adapt to the new rackets in between the tournaments. I think there's no reason why Wilson would not let him "pick" the new line of six-one as he is Wilson's best poster boy ever. If Federer like a new racket, Wilson produces it.

 

[DownTheLine]

I'm not saying that at all, u assume too much. All I'm saying is back in the N90 days, people have went out of their way to prove that Federer was indeed using a customized version of N90, like in the link I've posted. As for K90, I don't know if he was using it, but I believed he was using K90. As for BLX, he said he likes the new material, I have no reason to doubt him.

Federer is not Blake or just another "Pro" in terms of skills or the importance to its sponsors. And all the six-one 90 rackets have attributes similar enough for him to adapt to, especially when he has time to spend hours everyday to adapt to the new rackets in between the tournaments. I think there's no reason why Wilson would not let him "pick" the new line of six-one as he is Wilson's best poster boy ever. If Federer like a new racket, Wilson produces it.

Wilson pays him millions on end for him to say that.

 

[happycamperjack]

Wilson pays him millions on end for him to say that.

Exactly, so why da hell wouldn't they just reproduce what federer likes since they are already paying him millions? Why go out of their way to produce something federer doesn't like? If would make sense if Federer is using a popular line of rackets like Pure Drive. But he's not, he's the owner of sixone tour line.

 

[DownTheLine]

Exactly, so why da hell wouldn't they just reproduce what federer likes since they are already paying him millions? Why go out of their way to produce something federer doesn't like? If would make sense if Federer is using a popular line of rackets like Pure Drive. But he's not, he's the owner of sixone tour line.

That would be changing his gear and pros don't like change!!

If someone is so anal about their set-up that they need to have freshly strung racquets for every hitting session doesn't even matter if it's for 15-20 minutes, they have to have the same person string their frames every time. You honestly think they would change racquets every 2-3 years?

 

[happycamperjack]

That would be changing his gear and pros don't like change!!

If someone is so anal about their set-up that they need to have freshly strung racquets for every hitting session doesn't even matter if it's for 15-20 minutes, they have to have the same person string their frames every time. You honestly think they would change racquets every 2-3 years?

First of all, string is a complete different matter, and Federer is known to keep a variety of rackets strung at different tensions for him to "switch up" his games with, another proof that Federer likes to play around with different things. Would a normal "Pro" do that?

And the whole purpose of having the same guy do the stringing and timing is to keep the strings playability consistent, so you know when you pick up the racket, it's gonna play like exactly what you expect it to play with.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Well its been shown that the n90 did not match what Federer was playing with n90 paint.
P1 and others have confirmed that Federer played with the K90 exept for a bit of lead, custom grip and the old buttcap.
About the BLX we can not be sure, until someone gets hold of the racket and compares it to the K (they are different mould).
May P1 could enlighten us?? (but I am not sure they will, because they could comfortably confirm that Federer used the K, but maybe not as comfortably disclose that he is NOT using the BLX...).
If Ron Yu is listening in on this thread, I would be very thankfull to hear his comment.

 

[coloskier]

Well its been shown that the n90 did not match what Federer was playing with n90 paint.
P1 and others have confirmed that Federer played with the K90 exept for a bit of lead, custom grip and the old buttcap.
About the BLX we can not be sure, until someone gets hold of the racket and compares it to the K (they are different mould).
May P1 could enlighten us?? (but I am not sure they will, because they could comfortably confirm that Federer used the K, but maybe not as comfortably disclose that he is NOT using the BLX...).
If Ron Yu is listening in on this thread, I would be very thankfull to hear his comment.

P1 is now saying that they are taking stock BLX's and adding weight to make it 360 grams, and then doing some grip work, and that is it. Of course I am sure they are making sure the balance is equal on every racket.

 

[happycamperjack]

Well its been shown that the n90 did not match what Federer was playing with n90 paint.
P1 and others have confirmed that Federer played with the K90 exept for a bit of lead, custom grip and the old buttcap.
About the BLX we can not be sure, until someone gets hold of the racket and compares it to the K (they are different mould).
May P1 could enlighten us?? (but I am not sure they will, because they could comfortably confirm that Federer used the K, but maybe not as comfortably disclose that he is NOT using the BLX...).
If Ron Yu is listening in on this thread, I would be very thankfull to hear his comment.

For the N90, it's customized stock off production line.

http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/federer_playtest.html

 

[Povl Carstensen]

For the N90, it's customized stock off production line.

http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/federer_playtest.html

There is no proof of this in this article.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

P1 is now saying that they are taking stock BLX's and adding weight to make it 360 grams, and then doing some grip work, and that is it. Of course I am sure they are making sure the balance is equal on every racket.

Where do they say that (just of interest).

 

[DownTheLine]

First of all, string is a complete different matter, and Federer is known to keep a variety of rackets strung at different tensions for him to "switch up" his games with, another proof that Federer likes to play around with different things. Would a normal "Pro" do that?

And the whole purpose of having the same guy do the stringing and timing is to keep the strings playability consistent, so you know when you pick up the racket, it's gonna play like exactly what you expect it to play with.

All pros do that. They string at different tensions depending on elevation, condition, and surface type.

Pros usually go out with 3 different groups of 4 racquets strung within 2 Lbs. of each other. Switching tension by 2 Lbs. is WAY different then switching racquets every 2-3 years if you're thinking of calling me a hypocrite.

 

[happycamperjack]

Where do they say that (just of interest).

That's way more proof than you have. Your argument "It has been shown that ....", what have been shown?? what's your support for your argument?? String pattern and short pallet?? We already went through those earlier in the posts.

As far as I know, there were stringers that went through a lot of troubles to acquire Federer's N90 a few years ago because of the heated PS85 pj argument. They say Federer's N90 plays a lot more like N90 than PS90, and I believe them.

Personally I really don't give a damn if Federer's using PS85 or a freaking skunk underneath. But it's way more logical for him to use customized stock sixones and all real evidences points to that. if you know something we don't, then go ahead, tell us!

 

[happycamperjack]

All pros do that. They string at different tensions depending on elevation, condition, and surface type.

Pros usually go out with 3 different groups of 4 racquets strung within 2 Lbs. of each other. Switching tension by 2 Lbs. is WAY different then switching racquets every 2-3 years if you're thinking of calling me a hypocrite.

Well, in Federer's case, his tension differences changes as much as 10 pounds as he used to go as low as 45, now he's stringing at 55. I say that's quite a change.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

That's way more proof than you have. Your argument "It has been shown that ....", what have been shown?? what's your support for your argument?? String pattern and short pallet?? We already went through those earlier in the posts.

As far as I know, there were stringers that went through a lot of troubles to acquire Federer's N90 a few years ago because of the heated PS85 pj argument. They say Federer's N90 plays a lot more like N90 than PS90, and I believe them.

Personally I really don't give a damn if Federer's using PS85 or a freaking skunk underneath. But it's way more logical for him to use customized stock sixones and all real evidences points to that. if you know something we don't, then go ahead, tell us!

Take it easy, I didnt say I had proof, were having a discussion about a topic of common interest...

 

[smack that]

Well, in Federer's case, his tension differences changes as much as 10 pounds as he used to go as low as 45, now he's stringing at 55. I say that's quite a change.

how do you know he is stringing at 55?

 

[happycamperjack]

Take it easy, I didnt say I had proof, were having a discussion about a topic of common interest...

I'm just getting sick of explaining the same things over and over again to misinformed people. read earlier replies.

how do you know he is stringing at 55?

http://www.colinthestringer.com/pros-strings/

Now if you compare that tension to the tension he was using with kfactor and ncode you'll definitely find noticeable discrepancy. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

I'm just getting sick of explaining the same things over and over again to misinformed people. read earlier replies.

Ive read your replies. Well your arguments are based on what you believe, and find logical. Thats fair enough but I dont think you should jump on people who believe differently.
The k wasnt around when the quoted article was made, so its hard to use it as proof against that the k90 is closer to what Federer was playing with at the time (which is supported by the visual differences, yes grip and string spacing). I dont think anyone here know what "ncode" is, or if it even exists.
Also fair enough that you find it logical that Wilson provide Federer with the present production racket. But the backstory of paintjobs, and the fact that a special point was made by Wilson and P1 that the k was the actual racket Federer played, points to another logical possibility.
Not that I disbelieve it, but I havent yet seen where P1 say they currently use the BLX, does anyone have a link?

 

[DownTheLine]

I'm just getting sick of explaining the same things over and over again to misinformed people. read earlier replies.



http://www.colinthestringer.com/pros-strings/

Now if you compare that tension to the tension he was using with kfactor and ncode you'll definitely find noticeable discrepancy. Coincidence? I think not.

That site is stupid. Ivan doesn't use the Prestige line he uses the Extreme line. Nadal uses Duralast not RPM Blast, and Roddick doesn't use RPM Blast he uses Pro Hurricane.


Federer doesn string in the 50s we all know that(well some of us). I want to know where and when he was stringing all his racquets in the 40s. He switched from the 85 to the 90 about 8-9 years ago..? His coach recommended that he do that because of the game was changing dramatically. He uses the PS90 and I wanna know where P1 says he uses the N90n or the "stock" frames from Wilson.

 

[film1]

Yes, he is playing much better after changing racquets once again.
I think he prefers the muted feel

 

[happycamperjack]

That site is stupid. Ivan doesn't use the Prestige line he uses the Extreme line. Nadal uses Duralast not RPM Blast, and Roddick doesn't use RPM Blast he uses Pro Hurricane.


Federer doesn string in the 50s we all know that(well some of us). I want to know where and when he was stringing all his racquets in the 40s. He switched from the 85 to the 90 about 8-9 years ago..? His coach recommended that he do that because of the game was changing dramatically. He uses the PS90 and I wanna know where P1 says he uses the N90n or the "stock" frames from Wilson.

How do you know that nadal and roddick are not using RPM blast? I heard babolat have been developing the string with those players for quite a while and they seem to be liking it. You are outdated man.

As the Fed's racket, man how many times do we have to go through this?? Go read earlier posts and link. The fact is there are more proofs and logics behind him using customized n90 than otherwise.

 

[happycamperjack]

I'm just getting sick of explaining the same things over and over again to misinformed people. read earlier replies.

Ive read your replies. Well your arguments are based on what you believe, and find logical. Thats fair enough but I dont think you should jump on people who believe differently.
The k wasnt around when the quoted article was made, so its hard to use it as proof against that the k90 is closer to what Federer was playing with at the time (which is supported by the visual differences, yes grip and string spacing). I dont think anyone here know what "ncode" is, or if it even exists.
Also fair enough that you find it logical that Wilson provide Federer with the present production racket. But the backstory of paintjobs, and the fact that a special point was made by Wilson and P1 that the k was the actual racket Federer played, points to another logical possibility.
Not that I disbelieve it, but I havent yet seen where P1 say they currently use the BLX, does anyone have a link?

I won't be jumping on other people if they have any evidence or proofs at all. But all you get from these misinformed people are "other pros use PJ, therefore Federer must be using PJ", and "PS85 and K90 have more feel, therefore Federer must be using them underneath the PJ". If you don't see the flaws and failures in these logics, then I got nothing to say to u.

 

[DownTheLine]

How do you know that nadal and roddick are not using RPM blast? I heard babolat have been developing the string with those players for quite a while and they seem to be liking it. You are outdated man.

As the Fed's racket, man how many times do we have to go through this?? Go read earlier posts and link. The fact is there are more proofs and logics behind him using customized n90 than otherwise.

How's there more logic??

 

[DownTheLine]

As far as the strings. There have been stringers that have said Nadal uses Duralast and not the string they adv. him as using.

 

[happycamperjack]

As far as the strings. There have been stringers that have said Nadal uses Duralast and not the string they adv. him as using.

Ok, let's take a look at the supports of 2 sides of the arguments:

Fed using PJ
1. Many pros use PJ, therefore Federer is using PJ
What's wrong with it? No body knows exactly how many percents of pros use PJ, but one thing is for sure, there are a lot of pros out there not using PJ as well.

2. PS85 and K90 have more feels, therefore Federer never used N90 and BLX90
What's wrong with it? Federer used customized version of stock sixones handpicked out of the production line, so they'll never played like stock rackets due to weight and balance differences. So you simply can't make assumptions based on how stock rackets played. People have gotten hold of Fed's N90 and said it played a lot like N90. If you don't believe them, go get Fed's racket and test it urself.

Fed not using PJ
1. SIX-ONE TOUR is Federer's signature line of racket, just like Pure Drive Roddick. So Federer using PJ is as likely as Roddicks using PJ for his puredrive roddick.
2. When Federer was using N90, people went through a lot of trouble to test his N90, and said it plays a lot more like N90 than previous line of rackets. When Federer was using K90, P1 confirmed that he was using K90.
3. Federer have changed his string tension by a lot over the years, from mid 40 to mid high 50s. So it tells us that Federer likes to experience with different feel and the possible change in tension due to the change of rackets.

I'm not claiming that Federer is definitely not using PJ, but it seems more likely to me that he's not using PJ. And perhaps he does carry a few PJ in his bag in his bag for old time sake. I've made my argument, feel free to argue any of the point above.

 

[hyper_raiden]

I quite agree that he doesn't play a PJ. It's just the stock fine tuned with a little lead here and there, varying string tensions, etc. We've yet to find out if his new BLX differs from K90 though. Hope guys get a hold of the racket soon haha.

 

[vincent_tennis]

lawls hyper, why dont u bid one on? i think he has one for auction in shop atm

 

[Povl Carstensen]

"So it tells us that Federer likes to experience with different feel and the possible change in tension due to the change of rackets."

No, it tells us that he likes to experience with different tensions. Perhaps due to change of rackets.

 

[AllDownTheLine]

Yes, he is playing much better after changing racquets once again.
I think he prefers the muted feel

YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS?:shock:

 

[AllDownTheLine]

Fed not using PJ
1. SIX-ONE TOUR is Federer's signature line of racket, just like Pure Drive Roddick. So Federer using PJ is as likely as Roddicks using PJ for his puredrive roddick..

Roddick does use a paint job. He uses a Pure Drive+ Team leaded up and not the Roddick Cortex. At least that is what i've learned reading this forum.
I could be wrong as 100% of my limited knowledge about PJ's comes from Talk Tennis.
If you do a search there is tons about Roddick's stick.

 

[DownTheLine]

Roddick does use a paint job. He uses a Pure Drive+ Team leaded up and not the Roddick Cortex. At least that is what i've learned reading this forum.
I could be wrong as 100% of my limited knowledge about PJ's comes from Talk Tennis.
If you do a search there is tons about Roddick's stick.

Your dead on. Roddick doesn't use the latest and greatest stuff. There have been many threads on people getting his racquets because he gives them to them or being smashed and everyone posts a picture that the "cortex" is painted on.


As far as your post two above he was being sarcastic.

 

[VamosRafa10]

Happycamperjack roddick still uses pht and vs gut