Federer's racquet and retail

BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
dr325i said:
You just keep sinking lower with your mature answers...
Again, take a day off and think why the US destinations may be the prime destinations for travelers (with kids for example), then, come back and let's discuss...
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You mean kids don't want to go anywhere else in the world? Hmmm...I wonder why?

Oh, and I'm sure kids find Union Station in Washington D.C. and Grand Central Station in New York really fascinating. :???:
 
Bobby Jr

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
BreakPoint said:
Yeah, and 9 of the Top 10 most visited places in the entire world are in the U.S. I guess people all over the world do care about the U.S., don't they?
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Again, facetious claims and you probably know it. They are the attractions, not places. The sort of things people take their kids etc, so the attendees are likely to be in groups of 4 or more for the most part. Of course tons of people see Times Square etc. (actually, you inflated your claim of 9 out of 10 regardless - only 6 of the top 10 are in the USA*)

What actually matters in terms of popularity of tourist destinations is how many people from elsewhere - i.e. another country - would travel there. America is well travelled but hardly 9/10 of the the must-see places by any cultured standard. You'd have to be a cultura philistine to desire to see Las Vegas over The Great Wall of China, or Disney Land over Great Barrier Reef.

Anyway, America is far from being the top tourist destination worldwide... France beats it by over 17 million people.
1 France - 76.80 million
2 United States - 59.75 million
3 China - 55.67 million
4 Spain - 52.68 million
5 Italy - 43.63 million
6 United Kingdom - 28.13 million
7 Turkey - 27.00 million
8 Germany - 26.88 million
9 Malaysia - 24.58 million
10 Mexico - 22.40 million

* the list for Breakpoint (well, at least according to Forbes Traveler)
1) Times Square (New York City, NY) 35 million
2) National Mall & Memorial Parks (Washington, D.C.) 25 million
3) Disney World’s Magic Kington (Lake Buena Vista, FL) 16.6 million
4) Trafalgar Square (London, England) 15 million
5) Disneyland Park (Anaheim, CA) 14.7 million
6) Niagra Falls (Ontario, Canada & New York State) 14 million
7) Fisherman’s Wharf/Golden Gate National Recreation Area (San Francisco, CA) 13 million
8 ) Tokyo Disneyland/DisneySea (Tokyo, Japan) 12.9 million
9) Notre Dame de Paris (Paris, France) 12 million
10) Disneyland Paris (Marne-La-Vallee, France) 10.6 million
 
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xFullCourtTenniSx

Hall of Fame
akybo said:
I have a question that I dont think it was answered yet,
We all know Federer's racquet specs are the same(or verry close) to the retail racquet but...his sticks have lead tape on the head and I assume they have silicone in the handle too.
The retail racquet has foam filled handle so I will argue about the head only.

If Fed sticks have the same specs with retails but with lead tape under the head grommet...this means that the weight difference(coming from lead) on the retail racquet,it is distributed on the upper side of the head(to mimic the leadtape)?that,to have the same swingweight of Federer's racquets.
I am guessing if that difference in weight it is distributed in other parts of the retail racquet,this will bring another SW different than Fed's.
My conclusion: the retail K90 or BLX90 is the same as Federer's racquet but with "lead tape" included.
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This post is confusing beyond all belief... But this is the web so I suspect if you typed this in another language and I were able to read that language, it would be much clearer. Sadly, I am monolingual.

Take a stock K90, add a little bit of lead tape under the grommet, get Federer's custom grip mold on the racket, string it with Babolat VS (Team?) Natural Gut mains @ ~48 lbs and Luxilon Alu Power Rough @ ~45 lbs in the crosses (using a 50-50 stringing method on the crosses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJxPjoH1_I), put 3 power pads on the bottom center 3 mains, grip it with Wilson Leather with a Wilson Pro Overgrip on top with a black vinyl tape finishing, and stencil it with a red Wilson "W" and you have Federer's personal racket.

Would Federer play in a tournament with the racket? If you did everything right, yes... He probably won't know the difference from his own racket. (So you can sneak into his bag and take out on of his rackets and he won't know.) :D Oh wait... He uses a BLX paintjob now... Well you could try painting it over... Nah... Now THAT'S too much work...

Federer's racket was a K90 with some weight under the grommets.

Now it's a BLX90 with weight under the grommets? I have no idea... The BLXs are just so bad! Only difference though is he adds a little lead tape. THAT'S IT!
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Bobby Jr said:
Again, facetious claims and you probably know it. They are the attractions, not places. The sort of things people take their kids etc, so the attendees are likely to be in groups of 4 or more for the most part. Of course tons of people see Times Square etc. (actually, you inflated your claim of 9 out of 10 regardless - only 6 of the top 10 are in the USA*)

What actually matters in terms of popularity of tourist destinations is how many people from elsewhere - i.e. another country - would travel there. America is well travelled but hardly 9/10 of the the must-see places by any cultured standard. You'd have to be a cultura philistine to desire to see Las Vegas over The Great Wall of China, or Disney Land over Great Barrier Reef.

Anyway, America is far from being the top tourist destination worldwide... France beats it by over 17 million people.
1 France - 76.80 million
2 United States - 59.75 million
3 China - 55.67 million
4 Spain - 52.68 million
5 Italy - 43.63 million
6 United Kingdom - 28.13 million
7 Turkey - 27.00 million
8 Germany - 26.88 million
9 Malaysia - 24.58 million
10 Mexico - 22.40 million

* the list for Breakpoint (well, at least according to Forbes Traveler)
1) Times Square (New York City, NY) 35 million
2) National Mall & Memorial Parks (Washington, D.C.) 25 million
3) Disney World’s Magic Kington (Lake Buena Vista, FL) 16.6 million
4) Trafalgar Square (London, England) 15 million
5) Disneyland Park (Anaheim, CA) 14.7 million
6) Niagra Falls (Ontario, Canada & New York State) 14 million
7) Fisherman’s Wharf/Golden Gate National Recreation Area (San Francisco, CA) 13 million
8 ) Tokyo Disneyland/DisneySea (Tokyo, Japan) 12.9 million
9) Notre Dame de Paris (Paris, France) 12 million
10) Disneyland Paris (Marne-La-Vallee, France) 10.6 million
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Well, geez, no wonder the French hate tourists! There are more tourists in France than there are French people! There are only 65 million people in France but 77 million tourists? Talk about making the place too crowded. Can you imagine if 118% of the U.S. population came to visit the U.S. every year? That's be an extra 370 million people roaming the streets! Yikes!!! :lol:

I'm not sure what list you were looking at, but I linked the list I was referring to, which I read on Yahoo news this morning.

Here it is again: http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-40711683

The Top 9 are ALL in the U.S.

1. Times Square, NYC
2. Central Park, NYC
3. Union Station, Washington D.C.
4. Las Vegas
5. Niagara Falls, N.Y.
6. Grand Central Station, NYC
7. Faneuil Hall, Boston
8. Disney World, Orlando, FL
9. Disneyland, Anaheim, CA
10. Grand Bazaar, Istanbul

Evey list can be different depending on who's making the list. This is the list published by Travel+Leisure magazine that I was basing my post on.
 
dr325i

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
BreakPoint said:
Well, geez, no wonder the French hate tourists! There are more tourists in France than there are French people! There are only 65 million people in France but 77 million tourists? Talk about making the place too crowded. Can you imagine if 118% of the U.S. population came to visit the U.S. every year? That's be an extra 370 million people roaming the streets! Yikes!!! :lol:

I'm not sure what list you were looking at, but I linked the list I was referring to, which I read on Yahoo news this morning.

Here it is again: http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-40711683

The Top 9 are ALL in the U.S.

1. Times Square, NYC
2. Central Park, NYC
3. Union Station, Washington D.C.
4. Las Vegas
5. Niagara Falls, N.Y.
6. Grand Central Station, NYC
7. Faneuil Hall, Boston
8. Disney World, Orlando, FL
9. Disneyland, Anaheim, CA
10. Grand Bazaar, Istanbul

Evey list can be different depending on who's making the list. This is the list published by Travel+Leisure magazine that I was basing my post on.
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Again, if you "traveled the World" it would be very obvious that the list you put up there is a total BS. Plus, it lists a specific location, rather than destination...
 
akybo

akybo

Rookie
xFullCourtTenniSx said:
This post is confusing beyond all belief... But this is the web so I suspect if you typed this in another language and I were able to read that language, it would be much clearer. Sadly, I am monolingual.
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:D
I'm sorry,now as I read it again,I have to really focus to understand what I've said.
The short story: Federer's racquet is a little lighter than retail,becouse if you add 8g on the head to a retail K90 the result will be something in the 370g area(with overgrip);not a big deal if you ask me now.
 
Yveskim89

Yveskim89

Rookie
The smoothness of the prostaff 85 mold with 90 sq headsize. It would be the closest racquet mold for RF racquet.. K90 migt be the identical one but the density of the graphite must be low.. The last racquet that wilson have high density ( graphite ) in their line that still on store right now is PROSTAFF 85. You can compare all the retail 90's made so far but none would feel the same with prostaff 85 mold.^^
 
C

corners

Legend
DownTheLineWith90 said:
Yeah, but
339 grams stock
5 grams overgrip
8 grams at 12
17 grams for strings
= 369.
What's with the extra 5 grams?
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A couple possibilities:

1) The frames Fed uses get sent from Wilson to P1 with bare hairpins - no foam grip. P1 then adds custom grips to the frames. The foam they use could be lighter than stock.

2) The frames Wilson sends to P1 are lighter than retail K90s. Wilson made a 319 gram version of the K90 for the Asian market. They might send those frames, or something like them, to P1. If you lead up the Asian version to match the US version they play identically.

All K90s that I have owned have several metal bars about 1 inch up from the buttcap inside the handle. These are counterweights to make the racquets headlight and bring them up to the target weight for the retail model. Wilson may not put these metal bars into the Fed pro stocks, which would allow P1 to add silicone or their own metal pieces to get the frames to the Federer spec.

There other possibilities, these are custom racquets. But it's still perfectly possible that the layup of the Fed prostock 90 is the same as the retail K90. The weighting is just a little different.

On the other hand, it might be a different layup, but the fact that the math doesn't equal 364 grams is not a reason to assume that it's not the K90 layup. Fed and Wilson said the retail K90 was "all but identical" to his frames. So until we get some other info that's the best we have to go on.
 
lidoazndiabloboi

lidoazndiabloboi

Hall of Fame
corners said:
A couple possibilities:

1) The frames Fed uses get sent from Wilson to P1 with bare hairpins - no foam grip. P1 then adds custom grips to the frames. The foam they use could be lighter than stock.

2) The frames Wilson sends to P1 are lighter than retail K90s. Wilson made a 319 gram version of the K90 for the Asian market. They might send those frames, or something like them, to P1. If you lead up the Asian version to match the US version they play identically.

All K90s that I have owned have several metal bars about 1 inch up from the buttcap inside the handle. These are counterweights to make the racquets headlight and bring them up to the target weight for the retail model. Wilson may not put these metal bars into the Fed pro stocks, which would allow P1 to add silicone or their own metal pieces to get the frames to the Federer spec.

There other possibilities, these are custom racquets. But it's still perfectly possible that the layup of the Fed prostock 90 is the same as the retail K90. The weighting is just a little different.

On the other hand, it might be a different layup, but the fact that the math doesn't equal 364 grams is not a reason to assume that it's not the K90 layup. Fed and Wilson said the retail K90 was "all but identical" to his frames. So until we get some other info that's the best we have to go on.
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Also, P1 uses their own leather grips, so they could be lighter than the Wilson version
 
DownTheLineWith90

DownTheLineWith90

Rookie
Oh I see..
I expected some of these reasons that could've altered the overall weight, but thanks, both of you.
Adding 8 grams to 12 would increase the swing weight ginormously..
 
PrinceMoron

PrinceMoron

Legend
Power pads.......... Need to change racquet more frequently in damp weather as they absorb moisture and critically affect weight and balance.

I am investigating synthetic alternatives or I might have to move somewhere with dry climate.
 
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