I know you were talking to Deshaun.
Forehand Question
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I know you were talking to Deshaun.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Really? It didnt seem like it..lol.
skuludo, you're worried about hitting backhands like Nadal while doing the splits, and hitting 90mph forehands, when in reality you can barely get the ball over the net (based on the video you posted hitting with a real person where you hit back 90% moonballs). Everyone in this thread has given you great advice but you are ignoring it all. You are one crazy mofo lol
Power Player
Bionic Poster
lol. its a fascinating thread.
I've already used all the advice I've seen agaisnt a real person. I try to turn as much as I can using my backhand. I've tried using a more explosive forehand like the last wall video using a smooth swing instead of max topspin without excessive forearm pull like in the last wall video. Also, I've tried to apply Yann Noah's advanced footwork pattern from Fuzzy Yellow Tennis Ball. What else is there?
The video posted with a real person was an below par effort on my part. I don't feel like I put my best effort in actually trying to play proper tennis. And that video was taken a month or two ago from now.
There are many things I've tried, but I haven't posted any videos or done any additional recording.
Do you want me to "prove that I have used the advice"?
Each advice that was given to me was based on a particular video. Once I made the changes, then the advice was go do it against a real person, which is what I am doing now.
I don't believe I have trouble getting balls over the net when I am set up properly. You can say whatever you like, but I have yet to experience this problem against the people I have played so far currently. I admit that this was a problem last year, which carried over until Spring of 2012, but so far what I have done has somewhat helped in getting the ball over the net. Also, I've found my current ideal shot quality, and it's not what you see with the moonball that was in the video. That was how I played before, and I made the changes accordingly.
Regarding the coach I have two candidates in mind, but I really need to set myself time and prepare to travel. I want to be in a state where I feel coaching is worth while, and not go there knowing that I haven't attempted to fix the errors that I have.
So Power Play's advice is if I want to improve I have to spend money. What do I do if I don't want to spend the money immediatly? Quit tennis? Play with what I got until I'm ready to spend money?
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Funbun
Professional
Play against a top junior, college player, or a 5.0/5.5. You'll know what you need to work on when you get bageled and utterly destroyed.
It has happened to me, and I've been humbled and determined ever since.
I agree with everything you just said there. I'll see more of my problems against stronger players. To meet these stronger players I have to go to a different park. However, I haven't made the effort to take public transit to meet these 5.0 or 5.5 players. The other option is to enter tournament's, but I don't feel like spending money this year. So I'll probly be oblivious to what is going on this year. I'll try entering a tournament next year.
So far I was lucky and played with a top under 12 junior and I still don't feel like my shots were busted. There is no college tennis in Canada I think.
If my shots get busted, then I'll work on repairing it again. That is when I can see the fundamental error. When I played the guy that was shown in the first video my forehand was compltly busted. Took two years to fix it, and currently can hold up against his shots. Backhand was also busted, and made changes accordingly as well.
In terms of a ratio of time spent to get better results, I need to work on my serve.
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I can also benchmark my skills against a ball machine as well by setting different speeds and spin(May not be realistic speeds or spins). Playing a match I think is more than just bashing the ball. Jason Huang lost to some guy at a who poked at the ball in the TW gotta want it video. Even with out heavy topspin Jason just got pushed out wide with a half volley and could not hit a quality shot. I think Gael Monfils can still do something with the ball even when running back like Jason did against that person.(Maybe sliding on hardcourts with splits short backhand cross court winner?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgzTQQSpmOY&feature=youtu.be&t=27s
I would like to play someone like that too, but I don't think anyone plays like that in the courts I keep playing at. That is why I said I need to play tennis somewhere else, but I haven't made the effort to go somewhere else. Going somewhere else will take up my entire day, and I am not willing to make the sacrifice. In my head I keep saying to myself I want to play tennis once a week, so I am not likly to improve a lot, or just remain static.
I did hit with someone who was 5.0+, but that was three years ago, so I have no way to gauge how my current strokes would hold up. In a match I know I'll lose, because I don't have a good enough serve for higher level tennis.
I would like to play someone like that too, but I don't think anyone plays like that in the courts I keep playing at. That is why I said I need to play tennis somewhere else, but I haven't made the effort to go somewhere else. Going somewhere else will take up my entire day, and I am not willing to make the sacrifice. In my head I keep saying to myself I want to play tennis once a week, so I am not likly to improve a lot, or just remain static.
I did hit with someone who was 5.0+, but that was three years ago, so I have no way to gauge how my current strokes would hold up. In a match I know I'll lose, because I don't have a good enough serve for higher level tennis.
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I've found one division one player and another person who played college tennis in the US. They charge $25/hr and the other $20/hr. The charge is stricly match play, and no advice on my game will be given. I've also tried spending my whole day looking for a good opponent, but found nothing at Queen Elizabeth Park. Lots of hacks with poor consistency, except for one guy. I asked him and he refused to play tennis with me. So far every guy who plays good tennis doesn't seem to accept drop in hitting sessions. Every 5.0+ guy seems to ask for money just to have the opportunity to hit with them.
I've beat the guy in the first video who holds a Canada Certified Tennis Instructor certficate and PTA coaching license. Score was 6-3, 6-1.
Whoever said it's impossible for my forehands to land in the court was wrong I guess. I got them in as winners many times, or put enough pressure by using wide angles with pace to make that guy hit errors. At 5-1 in the second set down 15-30 that guy hit a forehand wide to my forehand side. At this point I was sprinting at full speed and hit a running forehand while sliding with my no traction shoes (soles are worn out making it easy to slide on hard court. After the match I inspected the shoe and I found a hole in the toe area, where I can see my insoles.) and my shot landed into the deuce side of the service box corner to a righty's forehand for a clean winner. At 30-30 I hit a flat serve and he hit a framed slice backhand it into the net. Then at 40-30 I hit a second serve around the 50 mph range and he dumped his backhand into the net. At this point the match was over. My coach said that when I hit an inside out forehand he said that there is side spin on it and spins away from him like a lefty slice. This coach then said to just keep what I'm doing for my ground game and just work on my serve.
Also, that guy use to play college tennis and my ground strokes still held up, while his broke down just like in the video posted. Anyone able to figure out what is wrong with his game? He has also thrown and broke serveral tennis rackets in the past. This year he cracked one racket in anger.
Also, I changed my string and racket so the sound from the strings is much louder now. The racket used in the match was Yonex Vcore Tour 89 strung using the Klippermate stringing machine set at 65 pounds. When I used my digital tension calibrator there was a negative 13-15 pound pulling tension difference. I've checked my tension calibrator using a pair of scissors. The scissors weighed 6.3 ounce. on my scale for measuring racket weight. I then used the same scissor to hang on my tension calibrator and it the weight came out as 6.5 oucnes. If the tension calibrator is correct then the initial racket pull tension should be in the 53-50 pound range. String was a fresh set of Golden Set Snake Bite Gauge 16 1.30mm. The clamps I used for stringing was the floating clamps from Stringway (Dual and Triple). The starting clamp that I used was from Babolat.
The person I played with has played on the US Open courts and he said the surface that we played on was faster because the balls tend to skid due to the sand from the playground next to the court. Other people including a 4.5 also said the courts here were extremly fast as well.
Location: Garden Park (Different tennis courts than what I have posted so far. Video was Mcspadden Park which is classified as slow courts.) Garden Park's tennis courts was originally built for a movie scene I think. There use to be no tennis courts in that park.
Also, the match was conducted with USTA approved balls called Pro Penn; however, the ITF does not offer their seal of approval for these tennis balls for tournament play. When I was hitting with these balls in a fresh state, they were very quick compared to the Wilson US Open balls Xduty. (Also, I have never beat that guy before using Wilson US Open balls Xduty. At the same time I have never hit my strokes like this in my life before as well. The video posted where I hit with that guy was was when I first accquired these strokes.
Here are some qualities I knoticed with the Pro Penn balls Compared to the Wilson US Open balls. The Pro Penn balls bounced high and maintained this state while the US Open balls just slow down after one set of hard hitting. Also, the Pro Penn balls make it easier for me to hit winners for some reason compared to the Wilson US Open balls. When I attempted to hit my flat shots against that guy, he could run down the Wilson US Open balls, while being stretched very wide and just slicing his forehand back. The ball usually pops up like a lob though when he attempts this shot.
What I noticed was when I switched from the Youtek Prestige Pro to the Yonex Vcore Tour 89 was I could hit more agressivly more often with more stability compared to The Head Youtek Prestige Pro. I also, felt more comfortable taking balls earlier with the Yonex Vcore Tour 89 and swinging out more. So far I have not felt any mishits that can twist the racket to make the face open up at all so far in my two weeks of testing this racket. On my backhand side I was able to hit the ball wider with more action on the ball making it harder for that guy to run around his forehand allowing me to put pressure on his game more often even while I am defending. The Yonex Vcore Tour 89 plays like the Yonex MP Tour-1 Mid 90's control with more power and spin.
I've also played another person using this same racket setup and won three sets straight 6-1, 6-0, 6-1. He said my shots were heavy and move like a bullet when I flatten my shot out compltly.
So far everyone I played in the past claims that I move faster around the court and hit bigger now compared to last year.
It seems that my running wide backhands are better now after I improved my fitness as well. (Finished the fourth week of this program. http://www.athleticquickness.com/tennis_speed.asp) When I am sprinting now it literally feels like I am riding on a bike. I can hear the wind sound similar to riding a bike.
The smooth swing also worked very well and I've hit the ball with more spin and pace on the forehand side. I now see a huge reduction on my mishits now as well.
I've beat the guy in the first video who holds a Canada Certified Tennis Instructor certficate and PTA coaching license. Score was 6-3, 6-1.
Whoever said it's impossible for my forehands to land in the court was wrong I guess. I got them in as winners many times, or put enough pressure by using wide angles with pace to make that guy hit errors. At 5-1 in the second set down 15-30 that guy hit a forehand wide to my forehand side. At this point I was sprinting at full speed and hit a running forehand while sliding with my no traction shoes (soles are worn out making it easy to slide on hard court. After the match I inspected the shoe and I found a hole in the toe area, where I can see my insoles.) and my shot landed into the deuce side of the service box corner to a righty's forehand for a clean winner. At 30-30 I hit a flat serve and he hit a framed slice backhand it into the net. Then at 40-30 I hit a second serve around the 50 mph range and he dumped his backhand into the net. At this point the match was over. My coach said that when I hit an inside out forehand he said that there is side spin on it and spins away from him like a lefty slice. This coach then said to just keep what I'm doing for my ground game and just work on my serve.
Also, that guy use to play college tennis and my ground strokes still held up, while his broke down just like in the video posted. Anyone able to figure out what is wrong with his game? He has also thrown and broke serveral tennis rackets in the past. This year he cracked one racket in anger.
Also, I changed my string and racket so the sound from the strings is much louder now. The racket used in the match was Yonex Vcore Tour 89 strung using the Klippermate stringing machine set at 65 pounds. When I used my digital tension calibrator there was a negative 13-15 pound pulling tension difference. I've checked my tension calibrator using a pair of scissors. The scissors weighed 6.3 ounce. on my scale for measuring racket weight. I then used the same scissor to hang on my tension calibrator and it the weight came out as 6.5 oucnes. If the tension calibrator is correct then the initial racket pull tension should be in the 53-50 pound range. String was a fresh set of Golden Set Snake Bite Gauge 16 1.30mm. The clamps I used for stringing was the floating clamps from Stringway (Dual and Triple). The starting clamp that I used was from Babolat.
The person I played with has played on the US Open courts and he said the surface that we played on was faster because the balls tend to skid due to the sand from the playground next to the court. Other people including a 4.5 also said the courts here were extremly fast as well.
Location: Garden Park (Different tennis courts than what I have posted so far. Video was Mcspadden Park which is classified as slow courts.) Garden Park's tennis courts was originally built for a movie scene I think. There use to be no tennis courts in that park.
Also, the match was conducted with USTA approved balls called Pro Penn; however, the ITF does not offer their seal of approval for these tennis balls for tournament play. When I was hitting with these balls in a fresh state, they were very quick compared to the Wilson US Open balls Xduty. (Also, I have never beat that guy before using Wilson US Open balls Xduty. At the same time I have never hit my strokes like this in my life before as well. The video posted where I hit with that guy was was when I first accquired these strokes.
Here are some qualities I knoticed with the Pro Penn balls Compared to the Wilson US Open balls. The Pro Penn balls bounced high and maintained this state while the US Open balls just slow down after one set of hard hitting. Also, the Pro Penn balls make it easier for me to hit winners for some reason compared to the Wilson US Open balls. When I attempted to hit my flat shots against that guy, he could run down the Wilson US Open balls, while being stretched very wide and just slicing his forehand back. The ball usually pops up like a lob though when he attempts this shot.
What I noticed was when I switched from the Youtek Prestige Pro to the Yonex Vcore Tour 89 was I could hit more agressivly more often with more stability compared to The Head Youtek Prestige Pro. I also, felt more comfortable taking balls earlier with the Yonex Vcore Tour 89 and swinging out more. So far I have not felt any mishits that can twist the racket to make the face open up at all so far in my two weeks of testing this racket. On my backhand side I was able to hit the ball wider with more action on the ball making it harder for that guy to run around his forehand allowing me to put pressure on his game more often even while I am defending. The Yonex Vcore Tour 89 plays like the Yonex MP Tour-1 Mid 90's control with more power and spin.
I've also played another person using this same racket setup and won three sets straight 6-1, 6-0, 6-1. He said my shots were heavy and move like a bullet when I flatten my shot out compltly.
So far everyone I played in the past claims that I move faster around the court and hit bigger now compared to last year.
It seems that my running wide backhands are better now after I improved my fitness as well. (Finished the fourth week of this program. http://www.athleticquickness.com/tennis_speed.asp) When I am sprinting now it literally feels like I am riding on a bike. I can hear the wind sound similar to riding a bike.
The smooth swing also worked very well and I've hit the ball with more spin and pace on the forehand side. I now see a huge reduction on my mishits now as well.
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panatta
Rookie
I'm trying to improve my racquet's head speed. I watched some videos on youtube, but I didn't find anything that helped me. I'm looking for a "kind of secret" that pro's probably keep about it. A tennis coach told me that is all in the last 8 inches, but he didn't tell me anymore.
Who can help?
Who can help?
The last 8 inches is how you transfer racquet head speed's energy into a moving tennis ball and not how you improve racquet head speed. The better your last 8 inch is the more efficient your stroke becomes at turning racquet head speed into ball speed and spin.
In my case I seem to generate easy racquet head speed with the way I hold my racquet while doing everything the same like the parking lot video. My racquet head speed for some reason on the forehand side is slower when I hold a continental, eastern, semi-western, and western. When I move my grip between eastern and semi-western I seem to get higher average racket head speeds with little effort.
In my case I seem to generate easy racquet head speed with the way I hold my racquet while doing everything the same like the parking lot video. My racquet head speed for some reason on the forehand side is slower when I hold a continental, eastern, semi-western, and western. When I move my grip between eastern and semi-western I seem to get higher average racket head speeds with little effort.
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