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G.O.A.T.
Here's a post that, frankly, amazed me.
I have long thought that boiling tennis history down to one single statistic would be overly simplistic, because tennis history is way too complicated for that. One good reason is the Pro-AM split which prevented the world's best players form even entering the slam tournaments.
Another reason would be that before 1970 or so no one was really counting up totals, particularly the players. In this regard there is that famous statement by Laver, that once he asked Emerson (his oft doubles partner) if he knew how many "majors" he had won, and Emmo said he had no idea.
I am not suggesting that slams are unimportant or don't matter. I am merely saying that the total of these is not the single and sole statistic that counts. Am I wrong here?
Do you think figuring out the best in the history of the game is about more than the slams count total?
If so, please post why.
And again.Who cares if he wins the CYSG?
Slam total is everything. I have no idea why people think the GOAT debate is so complex, because we only need to look at that one stat: slam total.
Djokovic wins CYSG and retires with 9 slams, Nadal retires with 11 slams, Nadal is still superior to Djokovic.
Djokovic retires with 12 slams, Nadal retires with 11 slams, Djokovic is superior to Nadal.
Djokovic retires with 18 slams, Federer retires with 17, Djokovic is superior to Federer.
Get it?
The second post convinced me that the author was serious (and not being facetious). It was almost as if the author of these posts was saying the old Marx Brothers line: "Don't confuse the issue with facts."Nope, it is you that is making it too complicated. Liberate yourself.
Only one criteria matters: slam total.
I don't care if player A wins 5 calendar slams in a row to get 20 slams, if player B wins 2 slams a year for 11 years and gets 22 slams, player B is greater.
Also, weeks at number 1 and Masters don't matter - they would only matter if you're comparing 2 players with an equal number of slams. In that case, head to head between the 2 could also figure.
I have long thought that boiling tennis history down to one single statistic would be overly simplistic, because tennis history is way too complicated for that. One good reason is the Pro-AM split which prevented the world's best players form even entering the slam tournaments.
Another reason would be that before 1970 or so no one was really counting up totals, particularly the players. In this regard there is that famous statement by Laver, that once he asked Emerson (his oft doubles partner) if he knew how many "majors" he had won, and Emmo said he had no idea.
I am not suggesting that slams are unimportant or don't matter. I am merely saying that the total of these is not the single and sole statistic that counts. Am I wrong here?
Do you think figuring out the best in the history of the game is about more than the slams count total?
If so, please post why.
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