Goodbye, Maryland tennis
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Clemson_tennis
Legend
Wish it wasn't so. They were a rising tennis program. Historically abyssmal but recent years saw improvement.
Joins Arizona State in the graveyard
Joins Arizona State in the graveyard
schap02
Semi-Pro
rumor has it they need to raise 8 million to keep the program.
We shall see, I don't see anyone giving the program the money but who knows.
TCCP - Tennis Center College Park is a premier national training center for juniors (probably one of the best on the East Coast outside of FL...Beatrice Capra, Dennis Kudla and many others have made their way through there....Frank Salazar does a great job....
That being said, UMD used to use that facility for everything so I guess the only positive is possibly more court time for juniors...ect.
Still stinks for UMD though.....
I went to UMass for a few years before transferring to Penn State - UMass cut ALL mens tennis back in the day...guess its one of those bubble sports.
We shall see, I don't see anyone giving the program the money but who knows.
TCCP - Tennis Center College Park is a premier national training center for juniors (probably one of the best on the East Coast outside of FL...Beatrice Capra, Dennis Kudla and many others have made their way through there....Frank Salazar does a great job....
That being said, UMD used to use that facility for everything so I guess the only positive is possibly more court time for juniors...ect.
Still stinks for UMD though.....
I went to UMass for a few years before transferring to Penn State - UMass cut ALL mens tennis back in the day...guess its one of those bubble sports.
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The article makes it pretty clear that the causes are many:
To pick Title IX as the bogeywoman here, especially when both men's and women's teams are going to be cut unless they raise money, doesn't do the complexity of the situation justice. Without financial support -- from the state, the boosters, the revenue sports, the foundation -- it does seem very difficult for the institution to support nearly 30 non-revenue sports.
The article makes it pretty clear that the causes are many:
- lack of significant revenue from basketball and football
- lack of state support
- poor internal fundraising
- overall economic doldrums
- too many teams overall (3rd in conference)
To pick Title IX as the bogeywoman here, especially when both men's and women's teams are going to be cut unless they raise money, doesn't do the complexity of the situation justice. Without financial support -- from the state, the boosters, the revenue sports, the foundation -- it does seem very difficult for the institution to support nearly 30 non-revenue sports.
Dawgie Dawg
Rookie
or done by people who see supremely talented tennis and baseball players getting 1/5 scholarships while semi-taleneted womens divers get full rides.
gino
Legend
Classy. 10 char
jaggy
Talk Tennis Guru
But she gave me a bad linecall on match point and Im still angry
Fearsome Forehand
Professional
More like, thank you Women's La Crosse. :roll:
I'm pretty upset that Women's Water Polo got the axe. Some of these programs are sort of ridiculous.
These teams should go find sponsors.
So, how are 25 year old former satellite pro Europeans and South Americans supposed to get tennis scholarships paid for by Maryland residents now? This is an outrage !!!
The only two revenue generating sports in major colleges are men's football and basketball. Every other sport is a net drain.
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ollinger
G.O.A.T.
Now that the cost of college education has even become a focus of student demonstrations, I think we'll be seeing lots of schools eliminating varsity tennis, among other sports (because of budget cuts, not the demonstrations). Too much money spent on sports students can play on their own. I love tennis, but not as much as I love people having access to somewhat affordable education, so I think it's the right thing to do. The priority of colleges needs to be accessable education. College sports in America has become a monstrosity that needs to be scaled back. If it were up to me, there'd be no sports scholarships whatsoever. The idea of funding students because they partake in an extrcurricular activity is ridiculous. Financial aid should be based on need and academic potential. Period.
mmk
Hall of Fame
More like, thank you Women's La Crosse. :roll:
I'm pretty upset that Women's Water Polo got the axe. Some of these programs are sort of ridiculous.
These teams should go find sponsors.
So, how are 25 year old former satellite pro Europeans and South Americans supposed to get tennis scholarships paid for by Maryland residents now? This is an outrage !!!
The only two revenue generating sports in major colleges are men's football and basketball. Every other sport is a net drain.
But women's lax and field hockey actually win national championships (I've followed both for years). So, if you were going to cut a program, would you cut one that wins championships, or one that is average at best?
dennis10is
Banned
That's right, without Title Nine, the school can just end all women's sports.
Bad enough that they are allowed to go to college, and take jobs away from men.
Bad enough that we let them vote, so that they voted in all these Liberals and ruined the country.
dennis10is
Banned
If UMD hadn't squandered millions of dollars by giving it to foreigners and minorities they would have plenty leftovers to fund American only athletics.
Tennis is a sacred white male institution in colleges.
Tennis is a sacred white male institution in colleges.
Fearsome Forehand
Professional
I think schools should get rid of athletic scholarships period; academic scholarships only.
Otherwise, the tail ends up wagging the dog.
See Penn State for details.
Otherwise, the tail ends up wagging the dog.
See Penn State for details.
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snoopy
Professional
There's a lot of interesting reading on the current problems with higher education here:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=higher+education+bubble
The higher education system will soon undergo drastic change.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=higher+education+bubble
The higher education system will soon undergo drastic change.
Clemson_tennis
Legend
I don't understand
I kept waiting for you to say something facetious, because you usually do that. Did you hit the enter key prematurely to submit the post?
First thing they need to do is replace the PhD professors who make $200K and don't do crap with real teachers. That alone could allow for lower tuition rates.
snoopy
Professional
There are problems with professors, but the most bloat is found in university administration.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/06/university-administrators-will.html
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ce_show_where_administrative_cuts_can_be_made
schap02
Semi-Pro
attempt at dry humor Id imagine
I'm not sure about the other guy's playing history. But I was a D1 college player...I played in the lineup and received scholarship money at a top 10 ranked school. If you gave me a petition to sign to drop all of college athletics, I would sign it. In my experience, college tennis was a huge waste of money and time. Its not financially worth it for the school. IF they keep any sport it should be Football and Basketball in some places. Only because they generate revenue. Other then that, all sports should be dropped, academic instituions should be for academics only.
Just my opinion
Tennishacker
Professional
Someone explain to me why football needs 85 scholarships?
mmk
Hall of Fame
Not too many schools actually make money on the so-called revenue sports:
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/06/22_college_football_programs_m.html
By the way, pretty impressive for someone from Texas making a lacrosse roster on a D1 team in Maryland, considering the lax talent pool here (I'm in Maryland).
The problem with Title IX is that they require an equal number of scholarship to be given to both men and women. There are more male athletes at almost every school, so it's not really fair.
Yeah, football getting 85 full scholarships seems ridiculous, but it is the only sport (outside of certain basketball schools) that actually generates revenue. So in that respect, they deserve it.
But those 85 scholarships severely throw off the balance between men's and women's scholarships. So in most every other sport, women get full scholarships and guys can only get half.
It still makes no sense to me why they'd cut men's tennis and not both programs.
mmk
Hall of Fame
My youngest just finished her field hockey career at an engineering school in Cambridge, Mass. I'll miss most of her final season of lax as I'll be in Oz. We didn't make every game this fall, but did make all her playoffs through to the elite 8. When she graduates not only won't I be shelling out ~$50K/year, I won't have to spend thousands on going up to watch her play.
darrinbaker00
Professional
More like, thank you Women's La Crosse. :roll:
I'm pretty upset that Women's Water Polo got the axe. Some of these programs are sort of ridiculous.
These teams should go find sponsors.
So, how are 25 year old former satellite pro Europeans and South Americans supposed to get tennis scholarships paid for by Maryland residents now? This is an outrage !!!
The only two revenue generating sports in major colleges are men's football and basketball. Every other sport is a net drain.
Tell that to Pat Summitt, Geno Auriemma and Tara VanDerveer.
Jonny S&V
Hall of Fame
I don't even know where to start...
I am a current DII collegiate athlete, and I don't get any scholarship. My college currently cut all scholarships for men's tennis, baseball, swimming, and wrestling, and completely cut our girl's golf team.
That being said, I go to said college for free because of my academics. Even if I could get a scholarship on my team, I wouldn't need it. I feel like some sports don't need scholarships, and that academics should be placed on a higher place. I've seen too many athletes who get accepted to schools because of their skills, not because of their academics.
Let's face it, 99% of athletes who play collegiate sports DON'T go on to play professionals. I think that ALL divisions should adopt DIII's rules on athletics and eliminate athletic scholarships completely.
Oh, and saying that schools have a zillion 4.0 GPA students at my school doesn't cut it, the number of perfect GPA holding students at my school is most likely less than 5%.
Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
I do find it amusing that apparently the only college sports that generate any revenue are local sports like American Football and Basketball that have no real relevance outside the US, especially football...
Still, I guess there are professional pathways within the local environment, so it makes a kind of sense. Shame for real international professional sports such as tennis or (real) football..
Still, I guess there are professional pathways within the local environment, so it makes a kind of sense. Shame for real international professional sports such as tennis or (real) football..
3 out of 346 is not exactly a trend. Recognizing their accomplishments is warranted.
As a feminist, there was a time and place for Title IX and affirmative action, but that time has passed. Let it go. When there are 1/3 more male juniors playing tennis then females, they should have 1/3 more opportunities in college to play tennis than females not 70% less (or whatever percentage it equates to).
dennis10is
Banned
That's right, don't these school admin and professor know that the reason why we have university is so that we can have college sports. The nerve of them to suggest that the goal of higher education is education. It is a shame that these university fat cats are living in the past. America is a superpower, we don't need to do things ourselves, we can hire foreigners to do it for us, with the exception of athletics of course.
Why do we have professors anyways they distract us from sports.
dennis10is
Banned
We need more than 85 for football. We really need about 500 for football but the liberals prevented us from fully funding football. On top of that they expect athletes to attend non sports related classes. This is just another example of liberal fascism, forcing their agenda down our throats.
We need our freedom, freedom to play tennis without taking unnecessary classes, freedom from having to pay for it, freedom from having enough aptitude for it. Bring back the American way. America needs to be strong again.
jaggy
Talk Tennis Guru
Dont forget we really need tax cuts for the super wealthy. And another war.
dennis10is
Banned
What? why are girls and women playing tennis or going to school? These liberal, feminist agenda are ruining America. We were great when women stayed at home, bring back the 1930's when America was a power on the rise. Feminism, civil rights, desegregation, inter-racial marriages, gays in the military, helmets in hockey, unleaded gasoline, fat free bran muffin, automatic transmission, diet Coke, these things made us weak.
dennis10is
Banned
No, as a 0.1 percenter, we have ordered Congress and Obama to let us make the ultimate sacrifice. We the 0.1 percenter will agree to pay one dollar for every ten million dollars we make. In return for making this ultimate of ultimate sacrifice, we want to be given an honorary ranking of lieutant general with two Congressional medals of honor.
As for the war, let us set up the companies first to benefit from the war and then we'll give the go ahead to Obama and Congress.
snoopy
Professional
This guy argues that, love it or hate it, American Universities are the envy of the world bc of the bucks brought in by college football and basketball.
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/12/04/it-all-begins-with-football/
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/12/04/it-all-begins-with-football/
zapvor
G.O.A.T.
thank you!!!!!!!!
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
I just wanted to say thanks for this thread. Very interesting stuff. Thank you all. This is one of the reasons to cruise by these boards regularly.
For me, it lead to an instapundit article, then an article on National Assoc of Scholars.
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BTW, dennis10is is hilarious.
For me, it lead to an instapundit article, then an article on National Assoc of Scholars.
EDIT:
BTW, dennis10is is hilarious.
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zapvor
G.O.A.T.
we need your support!
Hi fellow TalkTennis members.
so i came across this page to help save the men's program at Maryland. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Maryland-Tennis-Bail-Out/239146259496089
please take a look and pass it on!
Hi fellow TalkTennis members.
so i came across this page to help save the men's program at Maryland. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Maryland-Tennis-Bail-Out/239146259496089
please take a look and pass it on!
Clemson_tennis
Legend
I wonder what will become of all the players. They will all transfer I guess. And what about Spencer? He has turned the program around quickly, surely there will be a school looking at him, maybe Arizona who has gone down very fast.
Clemson_tennis
Legend
It's all over for the Terps.
GameSetMatchWin
New User
RIP UMD men's team... i enjoyed watching while the team lasted
i wonder how many people's pension can support 1 Div 1 tennis team?
10+ years ago in California, they were getting life time medical after 5 year employment. can u believe that? LOL.
