Got an Arse Whooping in Bolivia today

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I’m in Santa Cruz for the weekend, and I arranged to play again with a guy I had hit with a few months ago.

I had played very poorly against him last time, and I thought maybe this time I might make it closer. I had played him twice, losing 6-0, 6-1, and then again 6-2, 6-1.

When I told him I wanted to play a match, this time he again asked me if I wanted him to play his best. I said yes. He then suggested we bet $1000 on the match. I said ok, but then the deal is he has to win without me winning any games. He backed off on the bet - ‘too risky.’

While we were warming up, I asked him what his best ranking was. He said he has reached about 700 in the world. So that explained why I didn’t do very well last time.

We started the match (on red clay at 8:30am, 88F, bright sun, and very humid) and this time he is just abusing me from the getgo. Every forehand seems to find the corners. His backhand is solid and hurting me too. He doesn’t hit exceptionally hard, using solid smooth strokes with moderate spin, but I felt like I was getting overwhelmed by the quality and accuracy of his shots.

Every time I hit what would normally be a neutral ball against a 5.0 player, he would reply with his next shot wide and deep to the corner seemingly without leaving his comfort zone.

My game was not clicking at all, and I didn’t have much of forehand today. And I couldn’t really serve due to not being able to grip the racquet in the hot humid conditions with sun screen residue on my fingers. But even if I was playing better, I don’t think I could make it that competitive with this guy.
His advice to me during match was not to slice so much on my forehand because my slice was making it too easy on him (good advice, but my drive forehand just wasn’t in the tool box today). He said similar thing about my dink serves, but alas same problem.

He was most impressive on the out-of-structure points. On two occasions when I blasted an overhead but put it in reach of him, he returned a winner passing shot past me - once with a forehand crosscourt block and once with a 2hb dtl.

It turns out he is currently traveling the world as a full-time coach for his student. Hs student is now the top-ranked 14-year-old in South America, who won 5 ITF tournaments in 16s in Europe this year, and is now playing 18s. So my friend is playing points against his pupil everyday and staying in good playing form.

I think this guy today was playing the highest level baseline tennis I’ve ever played against. The guy I played against last month in Ecuador had reached a much better ranking (top 300), but this guy was playing much closer to his top form from his playing days. Also, getting to play the Ecuadorian ex-ATP pro on hard court at least gave a chance to hit my normal forehand, but today on the red clay I felt pretty helpless on most points.

I was able steal a few games, losing 6-1, 6-2. But unlike against my Ecuadorian friend, I never really felt like I was in the match today.

The games that I won were because I took riskier chances on neutral balls, and then charged the net hard behind the approach to earn putaway volleys.
I only won games when I could string a few of these together. Extending points from the baseline was hopeless - I don’t think I won any long points because I just got further behind in the point the longer the rally lasted.
His level was clearly much better today than when I played him back in June.

Anyway, today was one of those humbling tennis days.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
When I told him I wanted to play a match, this time he again asked me if I wanted him to play his best. I said yes. He then suggested we bet $1000 on the match. I said ok, but then the deal is he has to win without me winning any games. He backed off on the bet - ‘too risky.’

This part is most interesting to me.

Were both of you 100% cool, free of animosity while talking about betting? Betting is quite tricky and more challenging than most people can handle, and I'm not surprised that you guys couldn't broke a deal.

For me, I can continue to negotiate and try to find a middle ground where the two sides would feel both risky and doable. But of course I do have "friends" who would only play if they feel 90% favorable. I hate that.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
This part is most interesting to me.

Were both of you 100% cool, free of animosity while talking about betting? Betting is quite tricky and more challenging than most people can handle, and I'm not surprised that you guys couldn't broke a deal.

For me, I can continue to negotiate and try to find a middle ground where the two sides would feel both risky and doable. But of course I do have "friends" who would only play if they feel 90% favorable. I hate that.
This time the betting talk was not that serious. But he told me afterward that he met a Russian guy in Miami that challenged him to a match and wanted to bet $300 on it. He said ok, kicked the Russian guy’s arse, and pocketed the easy money.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
This time the betting talk was not that serious. But he told me afterward that he met a Russian guy in Miami that challenged him to a match and wanted to bet $300 on it. He said ok, kicked the Russian guy’s arse, and pocketed the easy money.

Sounds like he's one of the "friends" of mine that I mentioned above. They love and would only do easy money matches.


Anyway, do you frequently play with betting? It's addictive. If I play too many bet matches then I'd lose interests in random fun and giggle games.

If it's up to me I'd like to play with small bets all the time (Iunches, beers, party money, etc.). Players stop horsing around and they also show their real level in bet matches.
 

Kevo

Legend
I've only played on red clay a time or two when I was at Newk's many years ago. What I noticed is that hitting through someone on red clay is really hard. Even back then when I was younger and more in shape I quickly gave up on hitting through people for the most part and went to spin and angles to try to create an opening. Also very hard to ace people on serve compared to hard court. I can imagine that his style of play was especially well suited to the clay and you were at a big disadvantage stylistically. Then you have the movement differences to deal with. I'm sure playing on it daily for many years would yield a large advantage against someone who spent most of their time on hard court. Even forgetting to clear your shoes before a point can become a problem if the point lasts long enough.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
I’m in Santa Cruz for the weekend, and I arranged to play again with a guy I had hit with a few months ago.

I had played very poorly against him last time, and I thought maybe this time I might make it closer. I had played him twice, losing 6-0, 6-1, and then again 6-2, 6-1.

When I told him I wanted to play a match, this time he again asked me if I wanted him to play his best. I said yes. He then suggested we bet $1000 on the match. I said ok, but then the deal is he has to win without me winning any games. He backed off on the bet - ‘too risky.’

While we were warming up, I asked him what his best ranking was. He said he has reached about 700 in the world. So that explained why I didn’t do very well last time.

We started the match (on red clay at 8:30am, 88F, bright sun, and very humid) and this time he is just abusing me from the getgo. Every forehand seems to find the corners. His backhand is solid and hurting me too. He doesn’t hit exceptionally hard, using solid smooth strokes with moderate spin, but I felt like I was getting overwhelmed by the quality and accuracy of his shots.

Every time I hit what would normally be a neutral ball against a 5.0 player, he would reply with his next shot wide and deep to the corner seemingly without leaving his comfort zone.

My game was not clicking at all, and I didn’t have much of forehand today. And I couldn’t really serve due to not being able to grip the racquet in the hot humid conditions with sun screen residue on my fingers. But even if I was playing better, I don’t think I could make it that competitive with this guy.
His advice to me during match was not to slice so much on my forehand because my slice was making it too easy on him (good advice, but my drive forehand just wasn’t in the tool box today). He said similar thing about my dink serves, but alas same problem.

He was most impressive on the out-of-structure points. On two occasions when I blasted an overhead but put it in reach of him, he returned a winner passing shot past me - once with a forehand crosscourt block and once with a 2hb dtl.

It turns out he is currently traveling the world as a full-time coach for his student. Hs student is now the top-ranked 14-year-old in South America, who won 5 ITF tournaments in 16s in Europe this year, and is now playing 18s. So my friend is playing points against his pupil everyday and staying in good playing form.

I think this guy today was playing the highest level baseline tennis I’ve ever played against. The guy I played against last month in Ecuador had reached a much better ranking (top 300), but this guy was playing much closer to his top form from his playing days. Also, getting to play the Ecuadorian ex-ATP pro on hard court at least gave a chance to hit my normal forehand, but today on the red clay I felt pretty helpless on most points.

I was able steal a few games, losing 6-1, 6-2. But unlike against my Ecuadorian friend, I never really felt like I was in the match today.

The games that I won were because I took riskier chances on neutral balls, and then charged the net hard behind the approach to earn putaway volleys.
I only won games when I could string a few of these together. Extending points from the baseline was hopeless - I don’t think I won any long points because I just got further behind in the point the longer the rally lasted.
His level was clearly much better today than when I played him back in June.

Anyway, today was one of those humbling tennis days.
What did he do with your moonball approach play? Did he just easily pass you?
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
What did he do with your moonball approach play? Did he just easily pass you?
I think I got so intimidated in the first few games by how well he could command his forehand that I was scared to try it. In hindsight, it probably would have been worth a try, because he was backing up sometimes on the moonballs, and even if he ripped it well and on target, I still would have had chances to make a volley play on shots hit from deep behind baseline, with better odds to win the point than when I stayed back and let him crush it to my forehand corner.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I've only played on red clay a time or two when I was at Newk's many years ago. What I noticed is that hitting through someone on red clay is really hard. Even back then when I was younger and more in shape I quickly gave up on hitting through people for the most part and went to spin and angles to try to create an opening. Also very hard to ace people on serve compared to hard court. I can imagine that his style of play was especially well suited to the clay and you were at a big disadvantage stylistically. Then you have the movement differences to deal with. I'm sure playing on it daily for many years would yield a large advantage against someone who spent most of their time on hard court. Even forgetting to clear your shoes before a point can become a problem if the point lasts long enough.

Yes very hard to hit through and ace alot, specially if its dry, soft and slow red clay.

Pusher/defensive player's dream court.
 

rogerroger917

Hall of Fame
Yes very hard to hit through and ace alot, specially if its dry, soft and slow red clay.

Pusher/defensive player's dream court.
When I am on this surface I just hit it harder. It only works though if you have a really solid forehand. Like atp level. Against regular rec players it works. If you are at the atp level.

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FiReFTW

Legend
When I am on this surface I just hit it harder. It only works though if you have a really solid forehand. Like atp level. Against regular rec players it works. If you are at the atp level.

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Also depends on their speed, if they are slow its more likely, but if they are very fast and athletic its near impossible from behind the baseline, unless you get a ball inside the baseline and further, or unless you have an atp forehand like you said lol.
 

Dragy

Legend
I think it’s much easier if you have a personal apparel line contract. Against an U12 girl. Really likely to hit through, though a bit tough to hit her, as she’s likely a small target, no margin for error.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
Next time try:
Holding up your hand everytime he's about to serve and make him restart his motion
Return serve from the road at the back of the court
Wear all chartreuse to throw off his ball tracking
Take 90 seconds to serve
Juice up on Dr Fuentes secret sauce so much that you have a healthy green glow
And when you're about to lose anyway, feign an injury and claim the moral victory
 

norcal

Legend
Bolivia this time, huh? I think I figured out what OP's job is (besides playing tennis):

blow.jpg
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Update:
Back in Bolivia. Planning to get another arse whooping tomorrow.

My friend has been traveling around the world with his student, who is one of the highest ranked juniors in the world. They returned last night from a tournament in Colombia.

I’m expecting my friend to be in excellent form.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
The club where my friend works at when he’s not traveling for tournaments does not allow non-members.

But he’s been granted special permission to whoop my arse at 2:30pm Monday afternoon in the hot Bolivian lowland summer sun, as that’s the only time when the members won’t be bothered by an extranjero on the premises.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
This time bet him $200 and just throw the warped sabre at him ...
I was hoping to retire Warped today. But unfortunately I was unable to get my shortened UT tuned to a comfortable all-court spec in my warm-up today. It looks like I will be rolling with Warped tomorrow.

The problem is that the stringbed in Warped is no longer very tight. That’s because the stringbed tension was what caused the side of the hoop to cave inward. The frame started as a 103” headsize, but now it’s more like a 99” - it’s the same size as my UT except for the dented corner that protrudes out.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
What the heck are people doing traveling all over South America during a pandemic?
Yikes.
No wonder variants are taking off.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Conditions on Monday afternoon in the Bolivian jungle were mid 80s and humid with sun.

My friend takes one look at Warped, and says ‘you can’t play with that! The strings will be looser and you won’t be able to control it.’

His words were persuasive. After all, he’s a former world class player. And he was right that Warped had lost 20 lbs of tension when one side of the hoop caved in. So I busted out my my shortened Ultra Tour that I had tried to tune up before hand in my room by shadow swinging.

He came out with a BLX Blade 98 (black and gold). He says he switched away from his Pure Drive because Blade is a good racquet and gives him good control.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
In warm-up, I was actually feeling pretty good solid on groundstrokes and volleys with the UT. Serves didn’t feel right though.

We start the match. I’m playing ok, but not being able to hit offensive serves is a problem. This guy doesn’t have an offensive serve either. He’s just putting it in play.

But his baseline game is ridiculously precise. He’s solid on his backhand, keeping it close to either sideline. What really makes him tough is the way he can so consistently punish any neutral ball that gives him enough time to run around and hit his forehand. He doesn’t blast these. But every single forehand seems to land a foot inside the baseline and a foot inside one of the sidelines. His precision and reliability on his forehand is amazing.

I wasn’t playing badly, but without an offensive serve, all I could do was try to play solid baseline tennis. And he plays better solid baseline tennis than me. My rally ball off my UT wasn’t heavy enough to hurt him - it seemed too low-powered. I fell into an 0-3 hole.

I figure continuing to try to win doing the same thing with same style would be madness. So I switch to Warped...
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Switching to Warped with the somewhat overly loose open pattern meant I had to adjust to a higher launch angle on my forehand. I played a sloppy service game to go down 0-4.

But the lighter handle of Warped allowed me to deliver a bit of juice into my serves. And at 375sw, my groundies had some heaviness to them.

The next game, the extra weight of shot from the heavy ball off of Warped paid off. I blew my first several opportunities to break, but I capitalized on my 4th break point to get to 1-4!

Here’s a reminder of the unique morphology of this powerful wounded war club:
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
After the changeover at 1-4, I found some patterns that gave me an advantage. With extra effective the 375sw, I had a slight edge in the 2hb crosscourt exchanges. I also was able to capitalize on my serve by hitting heavy spin serves to his backhand. I had to be careful to place my serve well, as he could still consistently hit return winners to the corner on his forehand from his return position about 4 feet behind the baseline. I also had some success with the serve and volley as long as I did it sparingly.

There were some shots I had to avoid. I normally like to use deep moonballs 15 feet over the net to get out of trouble. These are consistently effective against 5.0 players and below. But this guy would use the extra time of the high ball to take them on the rise from the baseline and crush a forehand winner to the corner. There was one time I tried a 30 ft high moonball, and when I saw he was going to let it bounce, I charged the net and got away with it by volleying his baseline overhead away for a winner.

I used my advantageous patterns to claw back to 3-5. I had double-break at 15-40 the next game, but there was just one problem...
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
My one problem was that I still haven’t fully acclimated my body to playing tennis in tropical conditions. My heart has to pump 3-4x as hard as usual to pump blood to my skin surface to keep my body cooled, leading to much faster cardio stress than in my hometown milder climate.

In Paraguay, it’s really hot, but my main hitting opponent is a blaster. All the points are over in 2-3 shots. This makes it easier to last an hour.

Against my Argentino tactician friend here in Bolivia, his style of play leads to many long points where I’m running corner to corner. He has such pinpoint accuracy on both wings that he can really move the ball around and wear down the lungs.

By the time I reached my break point opportunities at 3-5 to get back on serve, my cardio stress was just about reaching code red. I was gassed. He took advantage and closed out the set 6-3.

We played a few more games. Broke him the second game with two desperation down-the-line ad court backhand return winners, but then hit my cardio limit. I could barely breathe. My resistance to his windshield wiper punishment weakened, and the score went to 1-4 by the end of the hour.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
The club where my friend works at when he’s not traveling for tournaments does not allow non-members.

But he’s been granted special permission to whoop my arse at 2:30pm Monday afternoon in the hot Bolivian lowland summer sun, as that’s the only time when the members won’t be bothered by an extranjero on the premises.
-show them your racquets!! :oops:
-that will surely grab their attention, in your favor :giggle:(y)
-enjoy yourself down there man, eat some salteñas and beer afterwards!!
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
My one problem was that I still haven’t fully acclimated my body to playing tennis in tropical conditions. My heart has to pump 3-4x as hard as usual to pump blood to my skin surface to keep my body cooled, leading to much faster cardio stress than in my hometown milder climate.
.......
-altitude sickness is a real thing in Bolivia
-specially in the higher elevation cities
-Santacruz is relatively moderate for tourists
-La Paz in particular is very bad for sport activities (if you are not acclimated)
 

rkelley

Hall of Fame
I’m in Santa Cruz for the weekend, and I arranged to play again with a guy I had hit with a few months ago.

I had played very poorly against him last time, and I thought maybe this time I might make it closer. I had played him twice, losing 6-0, 6-1, and then again 6-2, 6-1.

When I told him I wanted to play a match, this time he again asked me if I wanted him to play his best. I said yes. He then suggested we bet $1000 on the match. I said ok, but then the deal is he has to win without me winning any games. He backed off on the bet - ‘too risky.’

While we were warming up, I asked him what his best ranking was. He said he has reached about 700 in the world. So that explained why I didn’t do very well last time.

We started the match (on red clay at 8:30am, 88F, bright sun, and very humid) and this time he is just abusing me from the getgo. Every forehand seems to find the corners. His backhand is solid and hurting me too. He doesn’t hit exceptionally hard, using solid smooth strokes with moderate spin, but I felt like I was getting overwhelmed by the quality and accuracy of his shots.

Every time I hit what would normally be a neutral ball against a 5.0 player, he would reply with his next shot wide and deep to the corner seemingly without leaving his comfort zone.

My game was not clicking at all, and I didn’t have much of forehand today. And I couldn’t really serve due to not being able to grip the racquet in the hot humid conditions with sun screen residue on my fingers. But even if I was playing better, I don’t think I could make it that competitive with this guy.
His advice to me during match was not to slice so much on my forehand because my slice was making it too easy on him (good advice, but my drive forehand just wasn’t in the tool box today). He said similar thing about my dink serves, but alas same problem.

He was most impressive on the out-of-structure points. On two occasions when I blasted an overhead but put it in reach of him, he returned a winner passing shot past me - once with a forehand crosscourt block and once with a 2hb dtl.

It turns out he is currently traveling the world as a full-time coach for his student. Hs student is now the top-ranked 14-year-old in South America, who won 5 ITF tournaments in 16s in Europe this year, and is now playing 18s. So my friend is playing points against his pupil everyday and staying in good playing form.

I think this guy today was playing the highest level baseline tennis I’ve ever played against. The guy I played against last month in Ecuador had reached a much better ranking (top 300), but this guy was playing much closer to his top form from his playing days. Also, getting to play the Ecuadorian ex-ATP pro on hard court at least gave a chance to hit my normal forehand, but today on the red clay I felt pretty helpless on most points.

I was able steal a few games, losing 6-1, 6-2. But unlike against my Ecuadorian friend, I never really felt like I was in the match today.

The games that I won were because I took riskier chances on neutral balls, and then charged the net hard behind the approach to earn putaway volleys.
I only won games when I could string a few of these together. Extending points from the baseline was hopeless - I don’t think I won any long points because I just got further behind in the point the longer the rally lasted.
His level was clearly much better today than when I played him back in June.

Anyway, today was one of those humbling tennis days.
 

nyta2

Hall of Fame
Switching to Warped with the somewhat overly loose open pattern meant I had to adjust to a higher launch angle on my forehand. I played a sloppy service game to go down 0-4.

But the lighter handle of Warped allowed me to deliver a bit of juice into my serves. And at 375sw, my groundies had some heaviness to them.

The next game, the extra weight of shot from the heavy ball off of Warped paid off. I blew my first several opportunities to break, but I capitalized on my 4th break point to get to 1-4!

Here’s a reminder of the unique morphology of this powerful wounded war club:
finally figured out your problem... you need to go full snauwaert... lead & duct tape optional
 

PilotPete

Hall of Fame
How is a "4.5" tapper getting games off a former pro? 4.0/4.5 male players can't even get games off a former low ranked WTA player (see recent youtube video poster here on that).
 
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