Hefty fines for Fognini and Kyrgios - Outburst at Umpires

[BlueClayGOAT]

It's easy to slam a 391-page article into someones face and tell them to "educate themselves," whilst not saying a single word on the matter. That isn't evidence or proof, that's you telling me that you're just as ignorant as I am on the matter. Come back when you have facts and figures backing up this ridiculous statement.

He just gave you all the data/proof you need, didn't he? Why does he owe you a long-winded explanation when you could just read the original source he quoted and provided for yourself?

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

Since when was being female "disadvantaged?" I'm a woman and have never been made to feel this way or have felt this way about myself. In fact, it's kind of insulting.

Then you are fortunate to be born in a part of the world where being a woman is not a disadvantage.

It's childishly myopic to look at yourself and imagine that the entire world lives by those standards. Being a man or a woman is not and should not be better or worse than the other.

Sadly, there are many places and societies where women are still severely oppressed in fundamental ways even in 2017.
If you follow world events, you possibly know that driving was made legal for women in Saudi Arabia only a few weeks ago. Imagine that.
There are many places in the world where domestic violence against women, marital rape, female infanticide are regularly practiced. You're a tennis fan. I assume you are familiar with the history of the issue of unequal prize money for men and women.

Until you know more of the world, stop being so short-sighted and be aware that not all people in the world are fortunate enough to live in an enlightened society like you do.

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

Oh whoops. Guess i'm a real out of date millennial.

I was born in the early 1990s, am an engineer, and have used a smartphone for several years and I still don't understand Snapchat.

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

Lmao, what an asinine statement. What is "social scientific fact" sounds like made up bullsh*t to me. Show me evidence that being female "lessens life chances." Women are free to do whatever they want, same as men.

It's hilarious how some people here from first world countries imagine that everybody lives like they do. Does this really have to be explained like y'all are a bunch of 12 year olds?

Grow up, read stuff about the world, and follow the news. You'll soon understand.

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

It's sexist in itself. Why am I previleged to be a man? Is being a man better than being a woman?

Being a man is not inherently better than being a woman. But several societies bestow privileges upon men that they don't upon women. Very fundamental privileges. It's sad, but true.

 

[Candide]

Since when was being female "disadvantaged?" I'm a woman and have never been made to feel this way or have felt this way about myself. In fact, it's kind of insulting.

The overall point is correct. Your sample size is wrong.

 

[Alba Barragan]

It's easy to slam a 391-page article into someones face and tell them to "educate themselves," whilst not saying a single word on the matter. That isn't evidence or proof, that's you telling me that you're just as ignorant as I am on the matter. Come back when you have facts and figures backing up this ridiculous statement.

Just because you're too lazy to read doesn't mean it isn't evidence I didn't want to make a huge post about it 'cause it isn't the main subject of this thread, but I'm more than willing to share the summary of the document I just sent you if that means I'll help you change your perspective

Spoiler

The Global Gender Gap Report is a research made by the World Economic Forum that quantifies the magnitude of gender disparities around the world (144 countries were studied in last year's report). The main areas analyzed are health, education, economy, and politics, and the following images sum up some of the results obtained:

Edit: In some of the graphics there's a scale called The Global Gender Gap Index Score. In short, the closer to 1.00 the data is, the more equality that area has.

I know it can be tough to read the whole report, but it's an extremely well-developed study that shows how, regardless how much we want to ignore it, women are still being the subject of inequality around the world. It's worth reading it.

 

[ADuck]

He just gave you all the data/proof you need, didn't he? Why does he owe you a long-winded explanation when you could just read the original source he quoted and provided for yourself?

Because it's a cop out. If he can't explain it himself, and he has to send me to a random 391-page article on the internet, then he doesn't know what he's talking about. Plus, you can find articles for just about anything on the internet, doesn't make those things true. If he wants he can use facts and statistics from those articles to back up his points on why he thinks men are somehow privileged with more opportunity than women in first-world countries.

It's hilarious how some people here from first world countries imagine that everybody lives like they do. Does this really have to be explained like y'all are a bunch of 12 year olds?

Grow up, read stuff about the world, and follow the news. You'll soon understand.

Oh so now we're not talking about first-world countries? Because that article he gave me was explaining why men and women don't have equal opportunity in first-world countries? Of course not in all countries women have the same rights has men, everyone knows that...

Being a man is not inherently better than being a woman. But several societies bestow privileges upon men that they don't upon women. Very fundamental privileges. It's sad, but true.

Not in the US of A or any country like that.

 

[Alba Barragan]

He just gave you all the data/proof you need, didn't he? Why does he owe you a long-winded explanation when you could just read the original source he quoted and provided for yourself?

Because it's a cop out. If he can't explain it himself, and he has to send me to a random 391-page article on the internet, then he doesn't know what he's talking about. Plus, you can find articles for just about anything on the internet, doesn't make those things true. If he wants he can use facts and statistics from those articles to back up his points on why he thinks men are somehow privileged with more opportunity than women in first-world countries.

Oh so now we're not talking about first-world countries? Because that article he gave me was explaining why men and women don't have equal opportunity in first-world countries? Of course not in all countries women have the same rights has men, everyone knows that...

Not in the US of A or any country like that.

I'm a woman, by the way

 

[Bartelby]

Why not try reading a couple of pages or does intelllectual exhaustion set in from the first sentence?

It's easy to slam a 391-page article into someones face and tell them to "educate themselves," whilst not saying a single word on the matter. That isn't evidence or proof, that's you telling me that you're just as ignorant as I am on the matter. Come back when you have facts and figures backing up this ridiculous statement.

 

[ADuck]

Just because you're too lazy to read doesn't mean it isn't evidence I didn't want to make a huge post about it 'cause it isn't the main subject of this thread, but I'm more than willing to share the summary of the document I just sent you if that means I'll help you change your perspective

Spoiler

The Global Gender Gap Report is a research made by the World Economic Forum that quantifies the magnitude of gender disparities around the world (144 countries were studied in last year's report). The main areas analyzed are health, education, economy, and politics, and the following images sum up some of the results obtained:

Edit: In some of the graphics there's a scale called The Global Gender Gap Index Score. In short, the closer to 1.00 the data is, the more equality that area has.

I know it can be a tough to read the whole report, but it's an extremely well-developed study that shows how, regardless how much we want to ignore it, women are still being the subject of inequality around the world. It's worth reading it.

"too lazy?" gimme a break... Also those stats, what countries were used? It doesn't take into account that women *don't (edit) make the same choices as men. Women work less on average, and take jobs that pay less on average

 

[Bartelby]

The feminist movement eliminated the legal and political inequality of women over the course of the twentieth century and men fought them every inch of the way.

Economic inequality is, of course, still massive.

Not in the US of A or any country like that.

 

[Candide]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/07/homicides-women/534306/

Because it's a cop out. If he can't explain it himself, and he has to send me to a random 391-page article on the internet, then he doesn't know what he's talking about. Plus, you can find articles for just about anything on the internet, doesn't make those things true. If he wants he can use facts and statistics from those articles to back up his points on why he thinks men are somehow privileged with more opportunity than women in first-world countries.

Oh so now we're not talking about first-world countries? Because that article he gave me was explaining why men and women don't have equal opportunity in first-world countries? Of course not in all countries women have the same rights has men, everyone knows that...

Not in the US of A or any country like that.

Going on a tennis board demanding that people educate you on the history of sexism demonstrates such a high degree of intellectual laziness, incuriosity and simple lack of imagination that it is stunning. If you are interested in assimilating new information the go and do some reading or ask some women questions about their existence. You will be surprised. Waking down the street is a very different experience for a man and a woman.

The following list and asks people to check off the statements that apply to them, with the more boxes ticked indicating the more gender-based privileges they are likely to have in the workplace.

Try it for yourself:

• I can work comfortably (or walk down a public street) without the fear of sexual harassment.
• I have never felt unsafe because of my gender.
• If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won't be taken as a sign that people of my gender shouldn't be doing this type of work.
• The decision to hire me will never be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon.
• If I choose to have children, I'm not questioned about how having a family would hurt my ability to do my job.
• If I have children and a career, no-one will think I'm selfish for not staying at home.
• I can be assertive at work without being labelled "bitchy" or "bossy".
• My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.
• I can look up to plenty of professional role models of my gender in my field.
• When I ask to see "the person in charge", odds are I will face a person of my own gender.
• I can be confident that day-to-day language always includes my gender. "All men are created equal," mailman, chairman, the man in the street, etc.
• I make more money than my professional counterparts of the other gender.

 

[BlueClayGOAT]

I'm a woman, by the way

Haah sorry. For some reason I thought Alba was a male name. Googled it now, and it seems it's a girl's name.

 

[Alba Barragan]

Also those stats, what countries were used?

144 countries out of the 195+- that exist in this world were studied, here's the list:

Spoiler

It doesn't take into account that women *don't (edit) make the same choices as men. Women work less on average, and take jobs that pay less on average

Did you even take a look at what I shared with you? The results show that women work more than men yet they're paid less:

And the reason they don't have the same development is that there are barriers beyond women's control that don't allow them to receive the same opportunities to grow:

 

[Alba Barragan]

Haah sorry. For some reason I thought Alba was a male name. Googled it now, and it seems it's a girl's name.

It's okay, don't worry it's not a common name.

 

[ADuck]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/07/homicides-women/534306/

Going on a tennis board demanding that people educate you on the history of sexism demonstrates such a high degree of intellectual laziness, incuriosity and simple lack of imagination that it is stunning. If you are interested in assimilating new information the go and do some reading or ask some women questions about their existence. You will be surprised. Waking down the street is a very different experience for a man and a woman.

The following list and asks people to check off the statements that apply to them, with the more boxes ticked indicating the more gender-based privileges they are likely to have in the workplace.

Try it for yourself:

• I can work comfortably (or walk down a public street) without the fear of sexual harassment.
• I have never felt unsafe because of my gender.
• If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won't be taken as a sign that people of my gender shouldn't be doing this type of work.
• The decision to hire me will never be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon.
• If I choose to have children, I'm not questioned about how having a family would hurt my ability to do my job.
• If I have children and a career, no-one will think I'm selfish for not staying at home.
• I can be assertive at work without being labelled "bitchy" or "bossy".
• My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.
• I can look up to plenty of professional role models of my gender in my field.
• When I ask to see "the person in charge", odds are I will face a person of my own gender.
• I can be confident that day-to-day language always includes my gender. "All men are created equal," mailman, chairman, the man in the street, etc.
• I make more money than my professional counterparts of the other gender.

I never "demanded" people educate me, I only pointed out bullsh*t in someone elses argument, and they failed to explain why they were right, instead took the cop-out option and I pointed them out on it again. I never demanded anything of them so stop lying.

• I can work comfortably (or walk down a public street) without the fear of sexual harassment. (What does this have to do with gender inequality?)
• I have never felt unsafe because of my gender. (What does this have to do with gender inequality?)
• If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won't be taken as a sign that people of my gender shouldn't be doing this type of work. (Thinking and knowing are two different things, I expect a much larger percentage of women answering "yes" here because of their gender being discriminated against in the past)
• The decision to hire me will never be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon. (I'm pretty sure it's illegal to ask that question)
• If I choose to have children, I'm not questioned about how having a family would hurt my ability to do my job. (I'm pretty sure it's illegal to ask that question)
• If I have children and a career, no-one will think I'm selfish for not staying at home. (Has nothing to do with unequal opportunity for women)
• I can be assertive at work without being labelled "bitchy" or "bossy". (The real question here is who gets bullied more, men or women? And this question chooses to narrow down the list of insults used to only those that are commonly used against women. Pathetic question)
• My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is. (Sexism against women does exist in society, but to what extent?)
• I can look up to plenty of professional role models of my gender in my field. (Women and men make different choices in their careers, equal representation in jobs does not mean equal oppurtunity in jobs)
• When I ask to see "the person in charge", odds are I will face a person of my own gender. (Same as above, men and women are different)
• I can be confident that day-to-day language always includes my gender. "All men are created equal," mailman, chairman, the man in the street, etc. (mankind, humankind, same thing nobody cares. Feminism which supposedly means fights for equality of both sexes is called "feminism." Do i care? no)
• I make more money than my professional counterparts of the other gender. (It is against the law to pay women less money for the same work.

 

[ADuck]

Did you even take a look at what I shared with you? The results show that women work more than men yet they're paid less:

Fair enough, I did not know how many countries were included, so obviously there is inequality with all the countries that are included there.

 

[Bartelby]

You are the new head of the Harvey Weinstein fan club and you didn't even have to sleep with anyone to get selected!

I never "demanded" people educate me, I only pointed out bullsh*t in someone elses argument, and they failed to explain why they were right, instead took the cop-out option and I pointed them out on it again. I never demanded anything of them so stop lying.

• I can work comfortably (or walk down a public street) without the fear of sexual harassment. (What does this have to do with gender inequality?)
• I have never felt unsafe because of my gender. (What does this have to do with gender inequality?)
• If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won't be taken as a sign that people of my gender shouldn't be doing this type of work. (Thinking and knowing are two different things, I expect a much larger percentage of women answering "yes" here because of their gender being discriminated against in the past)
• The decision to hire me will never be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon. (I'm pretty sure it's illegal to ask that question)
• If I choose to have children, I'm not questioned about how having a family would hurt my ability to do my job. (I'm pretty sure it's illegal to ask that question)
• If I have children and a career, no-one will think I'm selfish for not staying at home. (Has nothing to do with unequal opportunity for women)
• I can be assertive at work without being labelled "bitchy" or "bossy". (The real question here is who gets bullied more, men or women? And this question chooses to narrow down the list of insults used to only those that are commonly used against women. Pathetic question)
• My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is. (Sexism against women does exist in society, but to what extent?)
• I can look up to plenty of professional role models of my gender in my field. (Women and men make different choices in their careers, equal representation in jobs does not mean equal oppurtunity in jobs)
• When I ask to see "the person in charge", odds are I will face a person of my own gender. (Same as above, men and women are different)
• I can be confident that day-to-day language always includes my gender. "All men are created equal," mailman, chairman, the man in the street, etc. (mankind, humankind, same thing nobody cares. Feminism which supposedly means fights for equality of both sexes is called "feminism." Do i care? no)
• I make more money than my professional counterparts of the other gender. (It is against the law to pay women less money for the same work.

 

[Big_Dangerous]

It's okay, don't worry it's not a common name.

I mean if you're like Jessica Alba, then yeah yeah!

Or you can just tell everyone it's short for Albatraoz!

 

[Candide]

I never "demanded" people educate me, I only pointed out bullsh*t in someone elses argument, and they failed to explain why they were right, instead took the cop-out option and I pointed them out on it again. I never demanded anything of them so stop lying.

• I can work comfortably (or walk down a public street) without the fear of sexual harassment. (What does this have to do with gender inequality?)
• I have never felt unsafe because of my gender. (What does this have to do with gender inequality?)
• If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won't be taken as a sign that people of my gender shouldn't be doing this type of work. (Thinking and knowing are two different things, I expect a much larger percentage of women answering "yes" here because of their gender being discriminated against in the past)
• The decision to hire me will never be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon. (I'm pretty sure it's illegal to ask that question)
• If I choose to have children, I'm not questioned about how having a family would hurt my ability to do my job. (I'm pretty sure it's illegal to ask that question)
• If I have children and a career, no-one will think I'm selfish for not staying at home. (Has nothing to do with unequal opportunity for women)
• I can be assertive at work without being labelled "bitchy" or "bossy". (The real question here is who gets bullied more, men or women? And this question chooses to narrow down the list of insults used to only those that are commonly used against women. Pathetic question)
• My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is. (Sexism against women does exist in society, but to what extent?)
• I can look up to plenty of professional role models of my gender in my field. (Women and men make different choices in their careers, equal representation in jobs does not mean equal oppurtunity in jobs)
• When I ask to see "the person in charge", odds are I will face a person of my own gender. (Same as above, men and women are different)
• I can be confident that day-to-day language always includes my gender. "All men are created equal," mailman, chairman, the man in the street, etc. (mankind, humankind, same thing nobody cares. Feminism which supposedly means fights for equality of both sexes is called "feminism." Do i care? no)
• I make more money than my professional counterparts of the other gender. (It is against the law to pay women less money for the same work.

Hah, my apologies. I didn't realise you were a comedian aiming to entertain everyone with ironic gags. No one could earnestly be this stupid. Nice work buddy. You really had me going there. Very funny indeed.

 

[ADuck]

Hah, my apologies. I didn't realise you were a comedian aiming to entertain everyone with ironic gags. No one could earnestly be this stupid. Nice work buddy. You really had me going there. Very funny indeed.

What's wrong? Unable to prove that i'm wrong? Resorting to criticizing the person instead of the argument is the sign of someone who is unintelligent. Nice try though

 

[Bartelby]

You never made any argument in the first place. You simply decared my statement wrong. So you are scarcely in a position to insist on rules of argumentation.

What's wrong? Unable to prove that i'm wrong? Resorting to criticizing the person instead of the argument is the sign of someone who is unintelligent. Nice try though

 

[ADuck]

You never made any argument in the first place. You simply decared my statement wrong. So you are scarcely in a position to insist on rules of argumentation.

Declaring your statement wrong is in itself an argument. And where am I insisting on rules of argumentation? Lmao

 

[Bartelby]

1. A declaration is not an argument and so far you have only asked others to make arguments and made none yourself.

2. Argumentum ad hominem is against a rule of argumentation and you invoked it, so why not try obeying all of these rules.

Declaring your statement wrong is in itself an argument. And where am I insisting on rules of argumentation? Lmao

 

[Candide]

 

[ADuck]

1. A declaration is not an argument and so far you have only asked others to make arguments and made nonw yourself.

2. Argumentum ad hominem is against a rule of argumentation and you invoked it, so why not try obeying all of these rules.

Use your brain. My argument is that no one gender (of societies like ours) is more "privileged" than the other, which was made obvious by my rejection of your post in which you argued that women have less life opportunities than men.. Incredulous! I have also made MANY arguments against this notion

 

[Bartelby]

That's a very brief opening statement, but scarcely an argument, and it took you this long to make it.

It contains the incredibly stupid error of conflating 'privilege' with 'life opportunities'. The two are quite distinct.

Use your brain. My argument is that no one gender (of societies like ours) is more "privileged" than the other, which was made obvious by my rejection of your post in which you argued that women have less life opportunities than men.. Incredulous! I have also made MANY arguments against this notion

 

[ADuck]

That's a very brief opening statement, but scarcely an argument, and it took you this long to make it.

It contains the incredibly stupid error of conflating 'privilege' with 'life opportunities'. The two are quite distinct.

Lmao you are presumptuous! I'm so sorry I didn't text u back right away i was busy and I don't owe you my time. If you want to know my arguments just scroll up and read them i'm not wasting my time with you

 

[Bartelby]

You have no arguments, only angry denials.

And 'privilege' is not the same as 'life opportunities', so when you finally do make an argument don't repeat this schoolboy error.

Lmao you are presumptuous! I'm so sorry I didn't text u back right away i was busy and I don't owe you my time. If you want to know my arguments just scroll up and read them i'm not wasting my time with you