Help for female low intermediate racquet

Underdog

Professional
Hello, everyone.
So, my friend is a female player, probably a 3.0, low intermediate (?). She’s got some good technique, especially the backhand, but her physique is on the small, weak side.
That causes her to get late, rushed contact and also when she tries to impart more pace, she loses her technique a lot and balls sail.
She’s using a Blade v7 100L. I tried putting 3g lead at 2-10 each, which helped a bit.
She can’t use stiff racquet because they hurt her wrist.
So, apart from the usual suggestions that she develops her footwork, technique and physique, what are the racquets you think she could gravitate towards to help her game?
Thanks in advance. :)
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Any light 110 sq in used frame in her grip size. Technique improvements where she used her legs, trunk and arm will actually be better for her. There’s less chance for injury. Strength is not mentioned.
 

McLovin

Legend
She can’t use stiff racquet because they hurt her wrist.
I wouldn’t rule out a frame based solely on the stiffness rating. Using a non-poly (synthetic gut or a decent multi) will go a long way to alleviating and arm/wrist issues. Also, dampening systems can help as well. Take a look at something like the Pro Kennex Ki15:


Or the Volkl V-Cell 4
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And being on the small side, using an extended frame can help w/ power and reach.
 
my MIL took some lessons in middle school before playing soccer competitively in high school and eventually becoming a D1 soccer player. because she saw me picking tennis up again after a break a couple years ago, she decided to take the plunge in the past year too. like your friend, she's petite.

she was initially playing with some Prince oversize with two crossbars she picked up at a thrift store that reminded her of the racquet she had as a girl but settled on some generation of VCore 100, which is pretty sweet. Blade 100 or Dunlop FX500 could also fit the bill for your friend. I'm not a big believer in oversize racquets that are stiff, head heavy, and light
 
my MIL took some lessons in middle school before playing soccer competitively in high school and eventually becoming a D1 soccer player. because she saw me picking tennis up again after a break a couple years ago, she decided to take the plunge in the past year too. like your friend, she's petite.

she was initially playing with some Prince oversize with two crossbars she picked up at a thrift store that reminded her of the racquet she had as a girl but settled on some generation of VCore 100, which is pretty sweet. Blade 100 or Dunlop FX500 could also fit the bill for your friend. I'm not a big believer in oversize racquets that are stiff, head heavy, and light
VCore 100 is supremely comfortable and very maneuverable, she could definitely do worse than trying that.
 

Brando

Professional
How tall is your friend, @Underdog? I ask because there's growing evidence that certain recoil-weighted frames work better with certain arm lengths, making the racquet come thru more naturally (vs. your having to muscle the face open or closed at contact). Upshot: you can easily find a frame tailored to swing effortlessly for your friend.
 

Underdog

Professional
How tall is your friend, @Underdog? I ask because there's growing evidence that certain recoil-weighted frames work better with certain arm lengths, making the racquet come thru more naturally (vs. your having to muscle the face open or closed at contact). Upshot: you can easily find a frame tailored to swing effortlessly for your friend.
She’s about 5’2, maybe a bit less.
 

ChanterRacquet

Professional
She can’t use stiff racquets because she’s late, not because they are stiff.

I don’t see how increasing the swingweight would help her not be late.

The Blade 100L v7 is a stiff racquet, RA 69ish. I’ll give you that it’s the most plush 69 you’ll ever feel.

That Blade was a good racquet for her. My 5’3” junior in high school who will never push 100 lbs uses the v8 100L. It is stiff, but plush. The stiffness is needed for power. 16g NXT, takes her months to break strings.

If less weight is really needed, the only other alternative would be a PD Lite (I wouldn’t do Team) or a FX 500 Lite (maybe LS). They can be stiff, but they are light enough she’ll be able to make contact out front.
 

Underdog

Professional
She can’t use stiff racquets because she’s late, not because they are stiff.

I don’t see how increasing the swingweight would help her not be late.

The Blade 100L v7 is a stiff racquet, RA 69ish. I’ll give you that it’s the most plush 69 you’ll ever feel.

That Blade was a good racquet for her. My 5’3” junior in high school who will never push 100 lbs uses the v8 100L. It is stiff, but plush. The stiffness is needed for power. 16g NXT, takes her months to break strings.

If less weight is really needed, the only other alternative would be a PD Lite (I wouldn’t do Team) or a FX 500 Lite (maybe LS). They can be stiff, but they are light enough she’ll be able to make contact out front.
Thanks for the assessment
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Hello, everyone.
So, my friend is a female player, probably a 3.0, low intermediate (?). She’s got some good technique, especially the backhand, but her physique is on the small, weak side.
That causes her to get late, rushed contact and also when she tries to impart more pace, she loses her technique a lot and balls sail.
She’s using a Blade v7 100L. I tried putting 3g lead at 2-10 each, which helped a bit.
She can’t use stiff racquet because they hurt her wrist.
So, apart from the usual suggestions that she develops her footwork, technique and physique, what are the racquets you think she could gravitate towards to help her game?
Thanks in advance. :)

She needs to work on her technique. She's late because she doesn't prep early enough. Balls sail because she swings too flat. I know you didn't ask for it but it's the truth. You can change frames until the cow comes home but none of those changes fix rushed contact and balls sailing.

Take it from someone that has been working with his intermediate wife for 20 years. Unless they are willing to make the necessary changes in technique to fix their game, the only racket that will help them is one with increased forgiveness (only because it can make up for poor focus to a degree). So a 110 Prince Legacy will make the most difference.
 

Brando

Professional
She’s about 5’2, maybe a bit less.
Per my calculations, @Underdog, 5'2" begs a 148rw. Assuming she uses an overgrip, that means a starting recoil weight of ~145-146. There aren't that many frames that low, but let me do some research and get back to you. In the meantime, are there any max or min spec preferences you'd like to specify re. weight, balance, SW, beam width, string pattern and/or flex?
 

K1Y

Professional
Hello, everyone.
So, my friend is a female player, probably a 3.0, low intermediate (?). She’s got some good technique, especially the backhand, but her physique is on the small, weak side.
That causes her to get late, rushed contact and also when she tries to impart more pace, she loses her technique a lot and balls sail.
She’s using a Blade v7 100L. I tried putting 3g lead at 2-10 each, which helped a bit.
She can’t use stiff racquet because they hurt her wrist.
So, apart from the usual suggestions that she develops her footwork, technique and physique, what are the racquets you think she could gravitate towards to help her game?
Thanks in advance. :)
I am curious, how does 3g lead help when she is already late to the ball?
 

Underdog

Professional
Per my calculations, @Underdog, 5'2" begs a 148rw. Assuming she uses an overgrip, that means a starting recoil weight of ~145-146. There aren't that many frames that low, but let me do some research and get back to you. In the meantime, are there any max or min spec preferences you'd like to specify re. weight, balance, SW, beam width, string pattern and/or flex?
Well, I haven’t thought specifically on detailed specs, but my general idea was of a forgiving frame, preferably on the lighter static weight side, but with some tolerable (I wouldn’t know exactly what range, though) SW, a medium-thick beam for stability and power without feeling overly clunky, mid-lower flex and probably 16x19 (although I think 18x20s could be interesting tries).
Thanks in advance for your help!
 

Underdog

Professional
I am curious, how does 3g lead help when she is already late to the ball?
Yeah, we were testing as if the problem to swing the racquet was whether because of swingweight or if it’s only a preparation matter (thus the extra swingweight helping to beef up stability and power a bit).
 

Fighting phoenix

Professional
My high school daughter is at roughly the same level and is 5’1”, not very strong, and I ended up getting her a head instinct MP, strung with head velocity (multifilament). Works perfect for her! Maneuverable, extra power, and it’s on the less expensive side as well.
 

Underdog

Professional
My high school daughter is at roughly the same level and is 5’1”, not very strong, and I ended up getting her a head instinct MP, strung with head velocity (multifilament). Works perfect for her! Maneuverable, extra power, and it’s on the less expensive side as well.
Thanks for the assessment
 

Underdog

Professional
I was considering maybe a Head Boom MP strung with Velocity MLT. Some test with lead as well.
Thoughts?
 

K1Y

Professional
Yeah, we were testing as if the problem to swing the racquet was whether because of swingweight or if it’s only a preparation matter (thus the extra swingweight helping to beef up stability and power a bit).
Dont think 3.0 needs lead. If she is late to the ball she needs to prepare faster, lighter racket will help. Power and stability come from being early, hitting in front and putting body weight in the ball. Also lighter weight will help with that.
 

Underdog

Professional
Dont think 3.0 needs lead. If she is late to the ball she needs to prepare faster, lighter racket will help. Power and stability come from being early, hitting in front and putting body weight in the ball. Also lighter weight will help with that.
Good point. Probably right.
 

Trip

Hall of Fame
@Underdog - You've gotten glimpses of the whole answer across several posts, but I'll tie it all together for you.

First off, the player. Yes, footwork, cognition and stroke mechanics need to improve. But that goes without saying, in almost any case. Beyond that, those who are discounting the racquet entirely are missing out on being able to at least hedge the bet in the player's favor. The racquet, or at least the way it's been customized, is very much contributing to her inability to execute. I'll explain why below:

Presuming that 100L v7 is on-spec and the only mods are just one over grip and 6g of lead at 10 and 2, strung spec should be 312g/34cm(1ptHL)/~330sw/15.2tw/150rw/20.36mgr/i . Positives: static weight, recoil weight and twist weight are likely close to appropriate enough for her. Negatives: primarily, the MGR/i is likely far too low to allow for easy/early-enough timing and frontal-enough contact, and secondarily, the 330 swing weight is probably a bit too much for her endurance and brute strength levels as well. For the unaware, see this MGR/i educational primer by Impacting Tennis -- I'll quote the implications of a high or low MGR/i on stroke mechanics and timing below, of which I've bolded the most important points as they are relevant to your friend, including the last sentence, which overall is the most important:
The weight, swingweight and balance all play a certain role, but when it comes to swing path, stroke mechanics and timing the ball, MGR/I is the most determinental.

High MGR/I
  1. Stroke mechanics feel like you are pushing the racket through the contact point instead of pulling it,
  2. Racket offers better depth control and feel for the ball,
  3. It is easier to hit the ball early and in front of the body.
  4. The balls penetrate the court more and don’t have a loopy trajectory, and if the mass is sufficient, the shots still have a lot of spin,
  5. Players with more »open« forehand grip (like eastern or even continental), can benefit more from a high MGR/I on the forehand side,
  6. It’s easier to time the ball well, especially in high-pressure situations and when you tighten up.
Low MGR/I
  1. Stroke mechanics feel like you are pulling the racket through the contact point instead of pushing it,
  2. Racket offers better feel for curving around the ball instead of hitting through it (think Zverev forehand),
  3. It is harder to hit the ball early and in front of the body.
  4. It’s easier to play »safe tennis« with just looping and spinning the ball, but harder to control direction and depth,
  5. In contrast to high MGR/I – harder to time the ball in high pressure situations and when you tighten up.
The overall ceiling of the racket might be higher with a lower MGR/I, but that doesn’t really help you to win matches if you can’t execute.

So, what needs to be done? Primarily, we need to increase MGR/i and ideally lower the swing weight.

Starting with the Blade 100L v7, there's only so much you can do, but for starters, I'd peel off the lead at 10 and 2 -- yes, sacrificing the newfound twist weight boost -- and relocate it (or just trash it and use a single 24" piece) onto the base grip pallet, wound in a spaced-out enough spiral that the lead winds its way from the top of the butt cap taper to just before where the pallet tapers towards the neck; or, replace the stock base grip with a 5-7g heavier one, like a Gamma Hi-Tech or similar, then re-apply the over grip. This will give you a racquet that has the same static weight but will be more maneuverable, easier to accelerate from zero (with a 316 swing weight) and easier to make contact with out in front (from an MGR/i of ~20.6, versus 20.36 previously). Whether all of that together is enough to help her nail her timing to a satisfactory level, you'll only know by trying. That said, it will come at the price of less lateral stability, free power and stroke guidance (from the now-removed hoop lead), but at least she'll be able to time and wield the thing with more ease, hopefully.

For something even more timing-optimized but also laterally stable in stock form, I would look for a similarly-weighted stick, but a stock strung swing weight of <=310, strung balance <=3pt HL (>=33.3cm) and strung twist weight of ideally >=15. If you were willing to use a platform frame, I would actually consider the Wilson Pro Staff 100 Team v14. Why? Because of all the sticks in that weight class, it has by far the highest stock strung MGR/i (at 21.1!), albeit a very low swing weight and recoil weight, so it will require customization, but you'll be able to get her to exactly the spec that will play best for her. In particular, I would add 5g of lead at 10 and 2, plus 8g of weight under the butt cap (7.5g of tungsten putty inside a .5g cotton ball) and an over grip (~6g). Strung spec will be: 317g/32.4cm(~6pts HL)/306sw/15+tw/147rw/21mgr/i -- perfect recoil and static weight for her size and physical condition and a way better mgr/i for allowing her to time properly and hit out front. The only question mark will be the low swing weight, which, yes, will produce a much lower-powered serve and ground stroke, but if it's timing we're really after here, then something has to give, at least for now. I would counter that with a full bed of springy, high-powered, comfortable multi (for her wrist as well), something like X-1 Biphase or similar, strung around 50, maybe low-50's. That should add some power back in, and make for an overall very playable, pretty comfortable setup.

Hope all of that helps. Any questions, feel free.
 
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Bill Lobsalot

Hall of Fame
Babolat Pure Drive EVO. Very light, 105 head size, 14 x 16. I have one. I'm a 55+ 4.0 player. This racket is very easy to move fast, is light, and the string pattern helps generate spin and power. They sell for $180 in the US, so a good price.
 

Underdog

Professional
@Underdog - You've gotten glimpses of the whole answer across several posts, but I'll tie it all together for you.

First off, the player. Yes, footwork, cognition and stroke mechanics need to improve. But that goes without saying, in almost any case. Beyond that, those who are discounting the racquet entirely are missing out on being able to at least hedge the bet in the player's favor. The racquet, or at least the way it's been customized, is very much contributing to her inability to execute. I'll explain why below:

Presuming that 100L v7 is on-spec and the only mods are just one over grip and 6g of lead at 10 and 2, strung spec should be 312g/34cm(1ptHL)/~330sw/15.2tw/150rw/20.36mgr/i . Positives: static weight, recoil weight and twist weight are likely close to appropriate enough for her. Negatives: primarily, the MGR/i is likely far too low to allow for easy/early-enough timing and frontal-enough contact, and secondarily, the 330 swing weight is probably a bit too much for her endurance and brute strength levels as well. For the unaware, see this MGR/i educational primer by Impacting Tennis -- I'll quote the implications of a high or low MGR/i on stroke mechanics and timing below, of which I've bolded the most important points as they are relevant to your friend, including the last sentence, which overall is the most important:


So, what needs to be done? Primarily, we need to increase MGR/i and ideally lower the swing weight.

Starting with the Blade 100L v7, there's only so much you can do, but for starters, I'd peel off the lead at 10 and 2 -- yes, sacrificing the newfound twist weight boost -- and relocate it (or just trash it and use a single 24" piece) onto the base grip pallet, wound in a spaced-out enough spiral that the lead winds its way from the top of the butt cap taper to just before where the pallet tapers towards the neck; or, replace the stock base grip with a 5-7g heavier one, like a Gamma Hi-Tech or similar, then re-apply the over grip. This will give you a racquet that has the same static weight but will be more maneuverable, easier to accelerate from zero (with a 316 swing weight) and easier to make contact with out in front (from an MGR/i of ~20.6, versus 20.36 previously). Whether all of that together is enough to help her nail her timing to a satisfactory level, you'll only know by trying. That said, it will come at the price of less lateral stability, free power and stroke guidance (from the now-removed hoop lead), but at least she'll be able to time and wield the thing with more ease, hopefully.

For something even more timing-optimized but also laterally stable in stock form, I would look for a similarly-weighted stick, but a stock strung swing weight of <=310, strung balance <=3pt HL (>=33.3cm) and strung twist weight of ideally >=15. If you were willing to use a platform frame, I would actually consider the Wilson Pro Staff 100 Team v14. Why? Because of all the sticks in that weight class, it has by far the highest stock strung MGR/i (at 21.1!), albeit a very low swing weight and recoil weight, so it will require customization, but you'll be able to get her to exactly the spec that will play best for her. In particular, I would add 5g of lead at 10 and 2, plus 8g of weight under the butt cap (7.5g of tungsten putty inside a .5g cotton ball) and an over grip (~6g). Strung spec will be: 317g/32.4cm(~6pts HL)/306sw/15+tw/147rw/21mgr/i -- perfect recoil and static weight for her size and physical condition and a way better mgr/i for allowing her to time properly and hit out front. The only question mark will be the low swing weight, which, yes, will produce a much lower-powered serve and ground stroke, but if it's timing we're really after here, then something has to give, at least for now. I would counter that with a full bed of springy, high-powered, comfortable multi (for her wrist as well), something like X-1 Biphase or similar, strung around 50, maybe low-50's. That should add some power back in, and make for an overall very playable, pretty comfortable setup.

Hope all of that helps. Any questions, feel free.
You are out of this world. I’ll try to tale the assessment to court.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Beyond that, those who are discounting the racquet entirely are missing out on being able to at least hedge the bet in the player's favor.

I discount the racket because the racket needs to play at least 6 different strokes and each of those racket strokes perform best with different racket specs. There is a reason golfers carry 14 clubs in their bag. And that's not taking into account different models that emphasize forgiveness vs control.

So if you optimize a racket for a person's FH, it may work less well on serve, slice and volleys. In that case you'd need to know what strokes this person prefers, which strokes this person uses most in a match and then min-max to that. That's not a process you are going to wisely figure out listening to someone on a message board.

AN intermediate woman is most likely to play her best with a forgiving racket that she can move easily. It may be detrimental to her technique but the number of adult women I've seen change their technique over time can be counted on one hand.
 

Trip

Hall of Fame
I discount the racket because the racket needs to play at least 6 different strokes and each of those racket strokes perform best with different racket specs. There is a reason golfers carry 14 clubs in their bag. And that's not taking into account different models that emphasize forgiveness vs control.

So if you optimize a racket for a person's FH, it may work less well on serve, slice and volleys. In that case you'd need to know what strokes this person prefers, which strokes this person uses most in a match and then min-max to that. That's not a process you are going to wisely figure out listening to someone on a message board
I get where you're coming from, but in this case the main issue is that she's late on ground strokes. Increasing MGR/i (while also lowering swing weight) will simply create a racquet whose natural swing dynamics allow for easier timing and earlier contact, with less forced effort required. No, that on its own of won't solve all of her problems; she still needs to do the mental and physical work, but the adjusted spec will make it easier to at least get her timing down on ground strokes. That's all I'm saying. I think it's at least worth as much of a try across a few sessions as anything else.
AN intermediate woman is most likely to play her best with a forgiving racket that she can move easily. It may be detrimental to her technique but the number of adult women I've seen change their technique over time can be counted on one hand.
100% agreed, which is why I proposed the modifications to lighten-up the swing feel of her current setup, or move to an even quicker-swinging one, and also agree that your idea of an even larger head size racquet would also be in order if she's still having issues centering the ball often enough.

Ultimately, I think it's worth keeping an open mind on all of the above. You never know what might unlock the door to better tennis.
 
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I get where you're coming from, but in this case the main issue is that she's late on ground strokes. Increasing MGR/i (while also lowering swing weight) will simply create a racquet whose natural swing dynamics allow for easier timing and earlier contact, with less forced effort required. No, that on its own of won't solve all of her problems; she still needs to do the mental and physical work, but the adjusted spec will make it easier to at least get her timing down on ground strokes. That's all I'm saying. I think it's at least worth as much of a try across a few sessions as anything else.

100% agreed, which is why I proposed the modifications to lighten-up the swing feel of her current setup, or move to an even quicker-swinging one, and also agree that your idea of an even larger head size racquet would also be in order if she's still having issues centering the ball often enough.

Ultimately, I think it's worth keeping an open mind on all of the above. You never know what might unlock the door to better tennis.
What is MGR/i?
 
I'm sure it's a useful metric, but we don't need to overthink it. demo widely and she'll figure out what feels best. you'd be surprised what racquets you can get on discount at your local shop

share the results here
 

Brando

Professional
OK, standing a slight 5'2" (158 cm), our Female Low Intermediate's ideal is 148rw (±2 points). B4 overgrip, she'll wanna start ~144-147rw. Here’s what’s currently out there as off-the-shelf options (though I'll admit a weak database when it comes to super-lite frames).

Babolat Pure Strike 103 [144rw, 65 RA, 20.65 MgR/I]
Dunlop CX 400 [144rw, 71 RA]
Dunlop FX 500 [146w, 71 RA]
Head Gravity Team 2023 [145rw, 60 RA, 20.49 MgR/I]
Head Instinct MP 2023 [145rw, 64 RA, 20.95 MgR/I]
Head 360+ Speed MP Lite [145rw, 64 RA, 20.18 MgR/I]

Volkl V-Cell 8 (285) [145rw, 70 RA]
Wilson Burn ULS v5 [143rw, 67 RA
Wilson Pro Staff 97L v13 [145rw, 69 RA]
Wilson Ultra 100 v2 [146rw, 74 RA]
Yonex Ezone 100L [144rw, 68 RA]
Yonex Ezone 110 [143rw, 66 RA]

My bolded picks all have the lower RA the OP requested; like @Trip, I vote a higher MgR/I for her.
P.S. I dig @Trip's mods. They'd make for an on-point stick!
 
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Brando

Professional
You're welcome, @Underdog. 'Just found out the 2023 Instinct MP is the same as the 360+. But unlike it, is currently available from TW ($169). I updated the list accordingly bc my instinct is, that's the best of the bunch. Get it? My instinct.. (Sorry, long day.)
 

Underdog

Professional
You're welcome, @Underdog. 'Just found out the 2023 Instinct MP is the same as the 360+. But unlike it, is currently available from TW ($169). I updated the list accordingly bc my instinct is, that's the best of the bunch. Get it? My instinct.. (Sorry, long day.)
Pun intended xD
 

Brando

Professional
People love talking about racquets lol
You never said a truer word, @optic yellow! Witness how I just replaced the 360+ Gravity Lite (unavailable) in the list with the 2023 Gravity Team, with even better specs for our girl. Yes, OUR girl. She's ours now. You do understand that, Underdog. We have taken racket possession of her. 'Make a deal with the devil and... Happy Halloween, guys! And do let us know how it all turns out, @Underdog.
 
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