How much is too much tennis for a 6 yr old?

CROB410

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Hi all, I am new to this site... I have a just about 6 1/2 year old daughter who went thru the quickstart balls and transitioned this summer to real tennis balls.. She played 5 times a week all summer and wants to continue playing very regularly now that we are moving back indoors (we live in NE) - is 4 times a week too much for her developing muscles? She will do a combo of priv lessons , a clinic and once a week with the ball machine... but how much is too much for a little kid with the real tennis balls? We didn't worry about court time when she was using the lighter quickstart balls...

thanks so much!
CR
 
Hi all, I am new to this site... I have a just about 6 1/2 year old daughter who went thru the quickstart balls and transitioned this summer to real tennis balls.. She played 5 times a week all summer and wants to continue playing very regularly now that we are moving back indoors (we live in NE) - is 4 times a week too much for her developing muscles? She will do a combo of priv lessons , a clinic and once a week with the ball machine... but how much is too much for a little kid with the real tennis balls? We didn't worry about court time when she was using the lighter quickstart balls...

thanks so much!
CR

CR, can you tell us more about how she transitioned into real tennis balls?who decided? How long has she been on QS? what did they work on? can she rally more than 20 shots with real ball? what kind of racquet is she using? Is she an athlete? other sports ? etc...... more info needed to answer these question accurately. You just said four times a week? are they one hour each? I am assuming two two hour privates, an hour clinic and one hour on the ball machine? In general yeah that is ok, it is not too much depending how the coach is feeding her with these "real" balls? are they brand new real balls? most likely they are not. so she should be fine, she is playing with softer "real" balls that have been used, making them low compression green balls.

My 8.5 son played five times at week ( six days) all summer ( two months) it consisted to 2 two hour morning session, then lunch followed by 2-3 two hour match play in the after noon, it was a summer tennis camp. Now that school started and we moved indoor, the playing time is cut in half if not more.
 
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CROB410

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She is using brand new balls believe it or not (the clubs all put out brand new for the new fall season) and she uses the 23 size BLX so it is a graphite racquet.. And you are right - 2, one hour privates, one hr clinic and one hour with ball machine. She began playing tennis the summer right after she turned 4 - kind of complicated, her first year was real balls, and she had a 2 handed forehand... she played a couple of times a week that summer and then that first winter season only one clinic a week, no privates but still with the real balls (the clubs had yet to make the switch to QS). She has excellent hand-eye so she did very well... that next summer at age 5 she switched to a one handed forehand and the orange quickstart balls. Our tennis/pool club did not do the actual quickstart program which was fine for her, as she already had her strokes down (my son is 4, started with red balls this summer and is doing true quickstart program with the cones, smaller net and all the hand eye and footwork drills- my daughter never did this)... she played orange ball clinics- 4 times a week all last year and then the beginning of this past summer she used the green transition. She was having consistent 30 ball rallies with the pro with running forehands and backhands using the transition balls (ie swinging her from side to side) so she was switched to real balls and is now working on patterns, strategy, getting more topspin etc. She was taught an eastern grip but switched herself this summer to semiwestern. She played a few matches this summer against older kids (i think this gave us a good indication of where she is as a player as she didn't know where the next shot would be) - many shots they hit quite high and it was great to see her run around the high balls that came to her backhand and hit inside out/in forehands... her footwork is amazing (she did 8 weeks of spring soccer and will likely do again next spring, for now she is just playing tennis and once a week of swimming). She is able to cover the whole court and move back well for the high shots.. I am glad she switched to real balls - she won't be able to play tournaments now for a few years but she is okay with that... for now! hoping that doesn't change...
 
To answer your original question, I think you are fine with the amount of tennis, as long as she likes it. And mixing in soccer is great. Now on to my real issue, please don't take this wrong, but I am just in shock about what you say this child can do.

What you are describing would be a talent above anything even Rick Macci has ever seen. In my 20 years of being around all sorts of future elite kids, I have never seen a 6.5 year old who can do the things you describe. A 6.5 year old who can have practice "matches" with older kids, use regulation balls, cover the entire court....all while using proper stroke technique? Not only that, she is now able to work on strategy and topspin while chasing down regulation balls?

I have seen kids that age being properly fed balls that can do great things, as long as the coach keeps reminding them of their technique. Sonya Kenin appeared in USPTA videos and is considered as good a 6 year old as there had ever been, and she needed Macci to feed her the balls and could not play real tennis with regulation balls in a practice match setting until about 8. I have never heard of a kid who can play what you are describing, which sounds like actual solid tennis, with proper technique, using regulation balls on a full court.

And the kick in the gut for me....this amazing sounding, greatest prodigy I have ever heard of....is doing is with a 23 inch racquet! Once again an all time first for me, Macci, and any coach I can think of....a kid who can play real tennis with regulation balls, using a 23 inch racquet.

Hitting regulation balls coming off of someone else's racquet and covering a full court....returning them with "topspin" and hitting "inside out forehands".....with a 23 inch racquet? That hurts my arm just thinking about it.

The matches with "older kids" smells really fishy. Even if older meant 7-9 years old. Our kids by that age are using 27 inch frames and hitting 70 mph forehands. And even in NE, I bet the kids that age can wallop the ball pretty good. A 6.5 year old with a 23 inch frame would not be able to get one ball back over, let alone "hit inside out forehands". Heck, even our pros would have trouble against our 7-9 year olds if they had to use a 23 inch stick!

If the older kids are hitting the balls back to her nice and soft on purpose, that I can see. Sure, a kid that age could no doubt bat regulation balls back and forth with a 9 year old who is hitting them nice and soft on purpose. But actually playing to win the points? Why wouldn't they just blast the balls right at her since they have huge advantages in their size and the size of their racquets?

The icing on the cake....ball machine? Your 6.5 year old hits against a ball machine, shooting the often hard and dead regulation balls in those machines, with a 23 inch racquet? Any tennis coach that allows that should be fired yesterday.

Sorry dad, my hunch is that you and the pro are rushing kids along and they are having short moon ball rallies with regulation balls, and since the score is kept, thats considered a 'match'. My hunch is also that the technique used would make us cringe....bunted strokes, etc. If that is the case, slow down, get the strokes right.

The tip off is the 23 inch racquet and a ball machine. No adult would allow that to happen who has a clue about tennis. That leads me to believe the rest is awful, technique, etc. The same adult who would allow a 6 year old to hit with a ball machine and regulation balls with a 23 inch racquet would also have no clue what proper technique looks like.

I hope I am wrong, because if I am, you have potentially the greatest player in tennis history.
 
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ga tennis

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my 6 year old plays about an hour a day.we drill with real balls we rally with quickstart balls.He plays with a 27 inch racket.
 

CROB410

New User
She is little- so she uses a 23 inch racquet. She played with 8 year old boys who aren't great - don't get me wrong- it was interclub play during the summer. If she played a strong 9 year old boy, sure, she would get crushed. She played against kids who are just learning, just like herself.

Whenever we travel she takes lessons. The first q we get is "how old is she again" and the second "has the doctor told you how tall she will be" - I am her mom writing btw ... and yes she covers the court amazingly. We were at a sizeable tennis center in the costa brava area of spain, with 19 clay courts in the springtime right when she turned 6, and they told us they don't have any kids who hit like her under the age of 9. All of the people who coach there came to watch her hit. Her coach here has said if we are serious about pursuing tennis we will have to move to Florida when she is 9.. we'll see if she still loves it by then. .. We do have a 25 inch BLX racquet here but have never tried it ... the one she is using seems correct for her size and seems to be the correct weight. It is a real racquet (not a 30 dollar junky one from Target, it is just a mini Wilson BLX) and she plays well with it. And I don't know if I agree, I have seen a few unbelievably talented kids on youtube from around the world... She is working on topspin --- doesn't mean she does it every time especially in match play but she does instinctively run around high backhands and hits inside outs/ins- that is her fav shot :) She is working on patterns and we can see she puts them into play when she plays games against her dad and she has only used the ball machine once, we are going to do now do once a week - she herself moves her feet to mimic the patterns she practices with her coach. She knows when she mishits, too close to her, racquet too open, needed one more step back etc - she calls it outloud and then self corrects.

I am going to look up Sonya Kenin and see if I can see how she plays as compared with my daughter.

For us , the main thing is keeping her healthy, we just don't want her to get injured from too much muscle strain.
 
you have potentially the greatest player in tennis history.

well all the coaches at costa brava in spain came to watch her hit, and said they have never seen a kid hit like her under nine, all this in a few years without any privates until just recently :confused:

I too have never seen this
 

CROB410

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The coaches at this particular tennis center came to watch her as she had her lessons and they asked me a lot of q's about her "training" ... And she did private lessons all summer long- 5 hours a week in addition to clinics. But the issue isn't how good she is now or will be ! It is how many hours are appropriate for training at this age so a child doesn't get injured.
 
CROB410, I think you will see she hits with the 25 inch very well. The advanced kids can move up to the 26-27 pretty quickly if the technique is solid.

Here is a video of an advanced 6 year old with decent technique. He can do very well with regulation balls as long as the pro keeps them coming back without too much pace and kick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B1TlwYfu_s

Good luck with your girl.
 
Get your girl/boy on a regular size racket asap and feed regulation balls to them , hand feed to them over the next 4-6 years till they are around 12 yrs old , hand feed from the same side they are on ,move them around a little but overall perfect the strokes.

this could happen 5 days a week about 1 1/2 to 2 hrs depending on their attention span.
 
this is a six year old Yani silva who has been taking privates since he can walk using a 26 inch head extreme Jr. frame with a ball machine and he is all over the place, does she look like him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvwyXr0GmgI&feature=related

Cute video. Here is another kid vs ball machine video. It depends what you are looking for. Maya gets every ball back, but Macci and others would not allow her to do this before her technique was more solid. Practicing a straight take back over and over isn't going to help long term.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVAui4alvsY
 
Get your girl/boy on a regular size racket asap and feed regulation balls to them , hand feed to them over the next 4-6 years till they are around 12 yrs old , hand feed from the same side they are on ,move them around a little but overall perfect the strokes.

this could happen 5 days a week about 1 1/2 to 2 hrs depending on their attention span.

You just described the practice I had last night with my girl who turned 7 on Friday. All we care about now is having fun, making the strokes second nature, and moving, moving, moving.
 

CROB410

New User
I am going to get a video of her this week- No - my daughter has a 2 handed backhand that starts much lower - to me it looks like all of this boy's shots would be better if he took one step back. My daughter's coach is getting her to move back then lean in and drive through the ball and she definitely stands a little bit further back from where this boy is standing. She stands right behind the baseline and often has to move further back to get shots. Her racquet is much MUCH smaller than his! I can see what you guys mean. .. But she does cover the court similarly but I cannot tell the ball speed from the video compared with what my daughter gets- the ball isn't smacked super hard to her each time, it is hit with a decent pace... She does have a forehand loop though, but the backhands are completely different.
 

CROB410

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Oh and we will be in Jupiter FL in January- if you guys have any recs for a coach - we def. want to get her lessons while we are there!
 
Oh and we will be in Jupiter FL in January- if you guys have any recs for a coach - we def. want to get her lessons while we are there!

I live in the next town over called Palm Beach Gardens. My girl just turned 7 two days ago. Lets get the girls together and practice a little.

Let me know your email when you are firm with your dates.
 

CROB410

New User
Her serves are pretty good - she gets most of them in and her form looks fairly good- she has had one lesson on going for the outside or the t - she just started with aiming. In the matches she plays (even if just with her dad) she rarely double faults- once in a while... They are smoother now than early in the summer when they went very high- they are more like normal serves now!
 

ga tennis

Hall of Fame
She is using brand new balls believe it or not (the clubs all put out brand new for the new fall season) and she uses the 23 size BLX so it is a graphite racquet.. And you are right - 2, one hour privates, one hr clinic and one hour with ball machine. She began playing tennis the summer right after she turned 4 - kind of complicated, her first year was real balls, and she had a 2 handed forehand... she played a couple of times a week that summer and then that first winter season only one clinic a week, no privates but still with the real balls (the clubs had yet to make the switch to QS). She has excellent hand-eye so she did very well... that next summer at age 5 she switched to a one handed forehand and the orange quickstart balls. Our tennis/pool club did not do the actual quickstart program which was fine for her, as she already had her strokes down (my son is 4, started with red balls this summer and is doing true quickstart program with the cones, smaller net and all the hand eye and footwork drills- my daughter never did this)... she played orange ball clinics- 4 times a week all last year and then the beginning of this past summer she used the green transition. She was having consistent 30 ball rallies with the pro with running forehands and backhands using the transition balls (ie swinging her from side to side) so she was switched to real balls and is now working on patterns, strategy, getting more topspin etc. She was taught an eastern grip but switched herself this summer to semiwestern. She played a few matches this summer against older kids (i think this gave us a good indication of where she is as a player as she didn't know where the next shot would be) - many shots they hit quite high and it was great to see her run around the high balls that came to her backhand and hit inside out/in forehands... her footwork is amazing (she did 8 weeks of spring soccer and will likely do again next spring, for now she is just playing tennis and once a week of swimming). She is able to cover the whole court and move back well for the high shots.. I am glad she switched to real balls - she won't be able to play tournaments now for a few years but she is okay with that... for now! hoping that doesn't change...
keep an eye on that grip.my 9 year old is full western.:(
 
Her serves are pretty good - she gets most of them in and her form looks fairly good- she has had one lesson on going for the outside or the t - she just started with aiming. In the matches she plays (even if just with her dad) she rarely double faults- once in a while... They are smoother now than early in the summer when they went very high- they are more like normal serves now!

Wow my man, she sounds utterly amazing for her age! Congratulations. Looking forward to seeing you guys in Jan.
 

CROB410

New User
Us too ! And yes her grip was a huge concern but once I read the talented kids work out their own grips it made me feel better. If she gets too western, the pro moves it back to semi. Excited to try the newer bigger racquet... Thanks again
 
Us too ! And yes her grip was a huge concern but once I read the talented kids work out their own grips it made me feel better. If she gets too western, the pro moves it back to semi. Excited to try the newer bigger racquet... Thanks again

Just for giggles, hand her a 27 inch in a practice sometime. She will struggle with serves and volleys but I bet she will smack the heck out of the balls and should maintain her form.

For reference, my girl went to 27 inch on her 5th birthday. We went down to a 26 inch at age 6 for 6 months to get the serves and volleys down. Now back to a 27 inch for everything.
 

CROB410

New User
wow okay ! well we'll try the 25 first - she is small - average for her age although projected to be tall .. a late bloomer... :) see you soon.
 
wow okay ! well we'll try the 25 first - she is small - average for her age although projected to be tall .. a late bloomer... :) see you soon.

This girl was hand fed for 2 years then started using the racket but always kept the feeds at a close distance so they keep their technique as clean as possible focus on that and you will raise a player with clean striking ability. Best to you and your girl.
http://youtu.be/36n1jBxMwxE
 
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wellingtondad

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Just for giggles, hand her a 27 inch in a practice sometime. She will struggle with serves and volleys but I bet she will smack the heck out of the balls and should maintain her form.

For reference, my girl went to 27 inch on her 5th birthday. We went down to a 26 inch at age 6 for 6 months to get the serves and volleys down. Now back to a 27 inch for everything.

Hi TennisCoachFl. I am a huge fan of yours. I have 2 boys (7 and 9), and also live in Palm Beach county. I know you are familiar with Rick Macci and am thinking about trying him out. I would love to ask you some questions about Macci and the state of tennis here in Palm Beach. Is there any way that I could contact you some time to pick your brain. Thanks.
 
Hi TennisCoachFl. I am a huge fan of yours. I have 2 boys (7 and 9), and also live in Palm Beach county. I know you are familiar with Rick Macci and am thinking about trying him out. I would love to ask you some questions about Macci and the state of tennis here in Palm Beach. Is there any way that I could contact you some time to pick your brain. Thanks.

Oh no you have two boys!!!!! be vewy vewy careful , TCF may call you out as a not so smart parent. Too bad you don't have two girls, you could have had potential of being a smarter and wiser parent :)
 

klu375

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Oh no you have two boys!!!!! be vewy vewy careful , TCF may call you out as a not so smart parent. Too bad you don't have two girls, you could have had potential of being a smarter and wiser parent :)

Maybe not, heavily depends on their skin color...
 
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wellingtondad

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Oh no you have two boys!!!!! be vewy vewy careful , TCF may call you out as a not so smart parent. Too bad you don't have two girls, you could have had potential of being a smarter and wiser parent :)

Actually I also havea nearly 3 year old daughter who may be getting started soon. She spends so much time around the tennis courts and last week I actually did get her out with some foam balls.
 

10schick

Rookie
Get your girl/boy on a regular size racket asap and feed regulation balls to them , hand feed to them over the next 4-6 years till they are around 12 yrs old , hand feed from the same side they are on ,move them around a little but overall perfect the strokes.

this could happen 5 days a week about 1 1/2 to 2 hrs depending on their attention span.

I thought you were a massage therapist? :confused: Oh, wait, see next response.
 

10schick

Rookie
This girl was hand fed for 2 years then started using the racket but always kept the feeds at a close distance so they keep their technique as clean as possible focus on that and you will raise a player with clean striking ability. Best to you and your girl.
http://youtu.be/36n1jBxMwxE

Didn't take long for BB to blow his cover :) LOL..... He's even in the video... super LOL.
 
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Didn't take long for BB to blow his cover :) LOL..... He's even in the video... super LOL.

hey chick, common, BB is an excellent coach I wish I was doing the things he is doing when I was working with my niece, it only took me 7 years to figure some of this stuff out for my son and I still do not know 1/2 as much as he does. Nice of him for doing this (more than his share) and showing us. Let us keep the LOL to a minimum. Thank you.
 

ga tennis

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hey chick, common, BB is an excellent coach I wish I was doing the things he is doing when I was working with my niece, it only took me 7 years to figure some of this stuff out for my son and I still do not know 1/2 as much as he does. Nice of him for doing this (more than his share) and showing us. Let us keep the LOL to a minimum. Thank you.

Im proud of you pro tour.Very nice!!!!!!
 

chalkflewup

Hall of Fame
Actually I also havea nearly 3 year old daughter who may be getting started soon. She spends so much time around the tennis courts and last week I actually did get her out with some foam balls.

Well if she's almost 3 you had better get her started on an intensified weight program to catch up with the rest of her peers. ;) I also think there's a massage therapist that roams on this board too. All kinds of free advice here.
 

BMC9670

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Well if she's almost 3 you had better get her started on an intensified weight program to catch up with the rest of her peers. ;) I also think there's a massage therapist that roams on this board too. All kinds of free advice here.

Don't forget to move to a city adjacent to the hood with a name that sounds similar so you can build some street cred. That's just good PR.:)
 

10schick

Rookie
Does it start off "this girl " or "my girl" ? anyone can pull a youtube video up TCF pulled up Shiskena's youtube video once does that mean he is her dad ?
Didn't say anything about any dad. I just called you out. You're hiding behind a screen name saying you're a massage therapist. Suddenly you're giving advice on how to train a 6 year old. :oops: The truth always comes out.
 

10schick

Rookie
hey chick, common, BB is an excellent coach I wish I was doing the things he is doing when I was working with my niece, it only took me 7 years to figure some of this stuff out for my son and I still do not know 1/2 as much as he does. Nice of him for doing this (more than his share) and showing us. Let us keep the LOL to a minimum. Thank you.
Oh you're right, my bad. At least he's not bragging as usual. :oops:
 

Tennis_Bum

Professional
btw I am bringing the 25 size racquet to her next lesson to see if it makes a difference...

Coach is right, something is amiss. If your kid is so talented, then why not go with 25", 26" or 27". Why use 23" to hit real, hard balls. I tried the 23" on real ball and my arm hurt. That's how I know. I waited until my son was ready and bought a 26" for him. He now plays with old, used real balls. Like low compression but a little heavier.

Your stories don't add up.
 

Tennis_Bum

Professional
This girl was hand fed for 2 years then started using the racket but always kept the feeds at a close distance so they keep their technique as clean as possible focus on that and you will raise a player with clean striking ability. Best to you and your girl.
http://youtu.be/36n1jBxMwxE

Brad, your daughter has really good footwork. She moves more naturally than your son. Too bad she didn't stick to tennis otherwise she could do something with it.
 
As far as too much, I'd say if your child wakes up in the middle of the night suffering from severe leg cramps or can not lift their arm due to sholder pain, then that's too much. I myself was a very competetive athlete who tended to OVER TRAIN when I was younger and actually began setting myself backward in terms of progress and ended up needing back surgery at the age of 42. Encourage your child to listen to her body and report honestly what she feels as this will serve her best throughout life as a barometer on training amount. I also have a very athletically gifted 6.5 year old daughter with her only impediment being laziness. with that said, we all think our child is the choosen one when in reality repetition and starting incredibly young has more to do with their skills at this age (compared to others their age) than actual prodigious genetic gifts! I've seen kids that were freakishly athletic participating in other sports who appeared totally uncoordinated on a tennis court when playing against a child (with significant tennis experience) but far less natural athletic ability. many times it's the perception of those skills by the parent that is the reality. It is way too early to know how good your child is as there is a great chance she has simply had way more training than others close to her age but good luck, as there are literally thousands of us with kids like yours you will meet down the road when it really matters...
 
As far as too much, I'd say if your child wakes up in the middle of the night suffering from severe leg cramps or can not lift their arm due to sholder pain, then that's too much. I myself was a very competetive athlete who tended to OVER TRAIN when I was younger and actually began setting myself backward in terms of progress and ended up needing back surgery at the age of 42. Encourage your child to listen to her body and report honestly what she feels as this will serve her best throughout life as a barometer on training amount. I also have a very athletically gifted 6.5 year old daughter with her only impediment being laziness. with that said, we all think our child is the choosen one when in reality repetition and starting incredibly young has more to do with their skills at this age (compared to others their age) than actual prodigious genetic gifts! I've seen kids that were freakishly athletic participating in other sports who appeared totally uncoordinated on a tennis court when playing against a child (with significant tennis experience) but far less natural athletic ability. many times it's the perception of those skills by the parent that is the reality. It is way too early to know how good your child is as there is a great chance she has simply had way more training than others close to her age but good luck, as there are literally thousands of us with kids like yours you will meet down the road when it really matters...

Not in my experience. Sometimes a kid just jumps out of a group. I have seen a group of kids start the same time, practice about the same amount, love the game the same, and every now and then one kid is just better. Better the first time they pick up a racquet, better in a year, better all the way to a D-1 scholarship.

My daughter's best friend is a solid athlete, and loves tennis. She actually plays about 5 hours more tennis per week than my girl. She has amazing coaches. She has better equipment, is a little older, a little taller, even a half step faster. Yet my girl was way, way better at tennis a year ago and is way, way better today.

Some people are simply better at tennis than others are, despite equal or even more training. You mention laziness. That is the ultimate test in tennis. You say your daughter tends to be lazy. Well Sonya Kenin would run through walls to get to balls at ages 5-6, same with Shishkina, same with the Williams girls, and Jimmy Evert says Capriati was the same way at age 5. They will be better than a lazy kid from age 5 all the way until they stop playing tennis. Sometimes you can tell early on whether a kid will have a nice tennis career.

Rick Macci gives parents a very easy acid test. If your kid is lazy and does not love to run after every ball, find another sport.
 
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TCF,

Interesting your opinion that about some kids are just better at tennis naturally than others that may be more genetically athletic. Oddly, I have noticed the same thing with some of my friends who were far less athletic than me growing up, but turned out to have a natural proclivity for tennis and are better at it than me today. My little girl is a natural in that at age 4, she could already hit forehands and backhands when I fed her balls. She is extremely ambidextrious and can hit running forehands equally with either left or right hands although she plays lefty. She also has good speed and great hand-eye coordination but enough of my irritating bragging. She is lazy and if anything de-rails her rise, it will be my inability/her to light that fire!
Only time will tell but thanks for the insight.
 
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