How to teach tennis successfully?

magnut

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Interesting read, Mugnut.
You should write a book based on your experiences.

any tennis pro in the industry who has been around for a while will have similar stories. Its just the job. A big majority drink to deal with it.

I never judge people for not making it as a teacher pro. its a really difficult job to be good at. you can do it half hearted but you wont make any money.
 
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Fxanimator1

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any tennis pro in the industry who has been around for a while will have similar stories. Its just the job. A big majority drink to deal with it.

"...Any tennis pro" hasn't written a book about it though, you could be the first, hell, you could start a reality TV show based on tennis pro's teaching and the daily routine involved.
If Honey Boo-Boo is worthy of a reality show...

Think about it, Wild West Guns, American Chopper...all based on the work place and the relationships therein.
 

magnut

Hall of Fame
"...Any tennis pro" hasn't written a book about it though, you could be the first, hell, you could start a reality TV show based on tennis pro's teaching and the daily routine involved.
If Honey Boo-Boo is worthy of a reality show...

Think about it, Wild West Guns, American Chopper...all based on the work place and the relationships therein.

LOL...not my style. The thought of that much constant attention is not goign to appeal to many teaching pros. most would rather be out in the woods alone more like survivorman.

i dont want to discourage people. there are a lot of good times as well. its not all bad. its really how you deal with all the issues in terms of a mental outlook. i think its a great short term job for young adults. you really have to grow up and learn to deal with people. You have to get over things like being jealous of people with money or dealing with people you just dont like.

its great preparation for raising kids actually. you have to be very selfless when it comes to teaching tennis and have good control over your emotions. A willingness to get dirty etc. this is not unlike raising infants. When you raise kids your entire day is based around their needs and wants. when your not cooking for them or educating them your either wiping their butts or cleaning up messes they make.

with tennis instruction its largely all or nothing. you can try to have a family and a career but most ofthe time it ends up with a teaching sitting in a bar or apartment, getting drunk, divorced, never seeing your kids, paying child support, accepting that some random boyfriend is playing father figure for your kids. meanwhile your wondering what happened to your life and end up.hating tennis.

the best route is do it while your young with no responsibilities, make some money, have some fun, and then move on. Like i said earlier its similar to a drug addict. an addict doesnt want to be an addict. they have been sucked into a lifestyle and been forced to make short term decision based on desires that have long term effects at the expense of their families. next thing you know their lives are a disaster. hey dont even like the drug anymore but its something they are almost trapped into doing.

you just have to know when its time to put the crack pipe down and move on with your life. for me i felt it when i never saw my wife awake. the birth of my first child was the clincher.

the sucky thing for me is that I am good at it. i like the grind and all the chaos of being a teaching pro. like i said i still have to teach a few hours a week when I can to deal with the withdawls. I am not sure i will ever be able to go full time again. once you have responsibilities towards your kids its a whole different ball game.

something like bar tending is a good transition for teaching pros if they like the adult aspect. Physical education as well if you like kids. those jobs you get to go home and be somewhat normal. There are some others out there but those come to mind. i could see myself bar-tending again.....funny for a guy with two degrees and a MBA LOL.

my dream job, other than a male stripper of course, is being an ice cream truck driver. i would go for the male stripper gig but there is no way i would be able to stay married with women shoving money down my pants. i might try the ice cream truck gig when my kids get older. Use it to teach them about business,work ethic, responsibility etc.

my youngest son will probably go the chip and dales route. He gets out of the bathtub and runs around the house naked doing flips and bouncing off the furniture. my oldest son i have no idea. He is like Nadal but instead of being a tennis nut he is some sort of mathematics genius. everything is numbers all the time. i think he is semi ********.
 

rkelley

Hall of Fame
Magnut, thanks for sharing your experiences. Great read.

One of my regular hitting partners is a (mostly) ex-pro. He still subs for our club's regular pro on occasion, but he has a job managing computer networks that pays the bills. We chatted recently about his teaching experiences. His coolest experience was that he got to hit with Rod Laver a couple of dozen times (this would have been aboit 20 years ago). Ultimately though he didn't feel he could make a living as a pro. There's a lot of competition in San Diego. He also has a wife and kid now.
 

magnut

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Magnut, thanks for sharing your experiences. Great read.

One of my regular hitting partners is a (mostly) ex-pro. He still subs for our club's regular pro on occasion, but he has a job managing computer networks that pays the bills. We chatted recently about his teaching experiences. His coolest experience was that he got to hit with Rod Laver a couple of dozen times (this would have been aboit 20 years ago). Ultimately though he didn't feel he could make a living as a pro. There's a lot of competition in San Diego. He also has a wife and kid now.

wow nice story. I am not one to get starstruck but if i saw rocket i would approach him and ask for a picture of him with my two boys. That puppy would get blown up and put on the mantel.

Mary Carrillo was in my area a while back and i really wanted to try and get a picture of her with the boys. I am a big fan of Carrillo and i think she is one of the few that actually care about the game. Vic braden is another one...Vic is the teaching GOAT IMO.

the rocket is a legend though. hitting with him would be dream like. There are very few ex pros i would approach. One of these days i am going to track down edberg or rafter if they are in the area and get a picture of them with my boys. They have seen more rafter and edberg matches than 99% of tennis fans. My two and a half year old wont go to sleep without his precision response racquet in bed with him.
 

Fuji

Legend
Hahaha magnut, your stories are so accurate it's amazing. Honestly, if anyone is thinking about being a tennis pro, just read what he has written. It is by far the most accurate account of anything I've read relating to my experiences as a pro at a country club.

It's true what he says about your coaching clients though. From my own work experience, I spent about 75% of my time with kids, and about 20% with the moms. It's honestly insane. I run a ton of kids group lessons, and then privates / semi privates with the moms later on in the day. It's such a bizarre life style, and the pay is phenomenal for the hours. Definitely have to find ways to cope though and find ways to blow off steam. It helps if you are friends with other coaches (that aren't at your own club) so at least you can swap stories and experiences. It helps!

-Fuji
 

magnut

Hall of Fame
Hahaha magnut, your stories are so accurate it's amazing. Honestly, if anyone is thinking about being a tennis pro, just read what he has written. It is by far the most accurate account of anything I've read relating to my experiences as a pro at a country club.

It's true what he says about your coaching clients though. From my own work experience, I spent about 75% of my time with kids, and about 20% with the moms. It's honestly insane. I run a ton of kids group lessons, and then privates / semi privates with the moms later on in the day. It's such a bizarre life style, and the pay is phenomenal for the hours. Definitely have to find ways to cope though and find ways to blow off steam. It helps if you are friends with other coaches (that aren't at your own club) so at least you can swap stories and experiences. It helps!

-Fuji

LOL, winding down is pretty ridiculous sometimes too. i taught 14 straight hours one day in crazy hot temperatures and high humidity. on the way home i parked my jeep, stripped down to my underwear and jumped in a river. better than blowing off steam banging some lonely housewife and getting fired.

here is a good tip...always keep some ky jelly handy. when your in sweat soaked clothes all day you might need to rub it between your legs to relieve chafing on your inner thighs. i had a few times where it felt like sandpaper was between my legs. mind over matter doesnt work in that situation.
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
There is no reason to teach for 14 hours in one day. If you're smart, did your courses and know how to coach and established a good pay per hour, 8 hours max is enough to make a proper living. However, if you're making $15/hr well thats another story. In that case you're not a tennis coach but a ball machine that jokes around with the members.
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
Besides, there are other professions that are way more stressful. If you're a tennis coach at a country club, you work with kids and keep MILF's happy and the occasional talented junior.
What about a lawyer or doctor. Sure their pay is higher, but the hours are just as long and they don't see their families a lot either sometimes. Plus you got way more stress in those jobs.

Its all in how you setup your profession and how much effort you put into it to advance and not be the low end feeding machine who gets sh*t on daily from the director and other members. Just like any other job in life.
 

magnut

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There is no reason to teach for 14 hours in one day. If you're smart, did your courses and know how to coach and established a good pay per hour, 8 hours max is enough to make a proper living. However, if you're making $15/hr well thats another story. In that case you're not a tennis coach but a ball machine that jokes around with the members.

LOL...when your trying to make money you dont turn down lessons. i dont think i have ever turned down a lesson in my life. teaching tennis is very much about taking advantage of opportunities. One month you are red hot....the next it could be slow...people going on vacations, health issues, etc. etc. You cant get to picky.

honestly once you get into the flow its easier to keep things moving. i hated down time. the heat and humidity were the toughest thing to deal with that day. i had a nice tennis tan the next day thats for sure. i looked like a blond mexican.
 

tennis_balla

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LOL...when your trying to make money you dont turn down lessons. i dont think i have ever turned down a lesson in my life. teaching tennis is very much about taking advantage of opportunities. One month you are red hot....the next it could be slow...people going on vacations, health issues, etc. etc. You cant get to picky.

honestly once you get into the flow its easier to keep things moving. i hated down time. the heat and humidity were the toughest thing to deal with that day. i had a nice tennis tan the next day thats for sure. i looked like a blond mexican.

I've been coaching for over 10 years I know. Sometimes you've got a lot and other times half of the clients leave of vacation or the weather is crappy. Its the nature of the profession. I've found that telling them I can't on this day but I can here or here makes them respect you more. Saying yes all the time just turns you into a puppet and some people latch onto that pretty quick and you become their pet. Just my experience.
 

magnut

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Besides, there are other professions that are way more stressful. If you're a tennis coach at a country club, you work with kids and keep MILF's happy and the occasional talented junior.
What about a lawyer or doctor. Sure their pay is higher, but the hours are just as long and they don't see their families a lot either sometimes. Plus you got way more stress in those jobs.

Its all in how you setup your profession and how much effort you put into it to advance and not be the low end feeding machine who gets sh*t on daily from the director and other members. Just like any other job in life.

somewhat true. the difference is that a tennis pro is taxed physically and emotionally during those long hours. going home to screaming kids and a stressed out wife is tough when you have been around screaming kids and high maintenance women all day. at the club if your good you learn to manipulate your emotions to bring out different personalities and energy levels. when a tennis pro gets home hearing the wife or girlfriend talk about work gossip or relationship concerns is like nails on the chalk board. If its bad enough tennis pros get to the point where they dont even want to go home sometimes. next thing you know they are sleeping around.

if you think your going to set up a schedule and expect members to work around it ....good luck. you might make it work but your going to lose a lot of income. next thing you know 30% of your students are going to other teaching pros and you have lost them. then your spending all kinds of time trying to fill empty slots in your day when you could be teaching and making money.
 

magnut

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I've been coaching for over 10 years I know. Sometimes you've got a lot and other times half of the clients leave of vacation or the weather is crappy. Its the nature of the profession. I've found that telling them I can't on this day but I can here or here makes them respect you more. Saying yes all the time just turns you into a puppet and some people latch onto that pretty quick and you become their pet. Just my experience.

sounds like you have a lot of open slots to work with. I was always trying to make more time.

Rain outs were an absolute nightmare for me. watching it rain was like seeing money get flushed down the toilet.

i did a lot of work booking myself solid to make as much money as possible. Once i started teaching i never thought about money. then you flip into tennis instruction mode.

tennis is just different....off court your an entrepreneur....on court your a teacher....among other things depending on the student. You pretty much control everything in those areas. hat you cant control...other peoples schedules, last minute cancelations, weather etc. If you want to make a good living you have to stay booked to make up for things you cant control.
 

President

Legend
^Where did you live/coach magnut? Sounds like a tennis hotspot. Really enjoyed reading your stories by the way, good insight into a profession I've never really thought much about before.
 

magnut

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^Where did you live/coach magnut? Sounds like a tennis hotspot. Really enjoyed reading your stories by the way, good insight into a profession I've never really thought much about before.

kind of all over. country clubs, swim and racquet clubs etc. my last full time was in a small town outside a tennis hotspot with lots of old money. lots of potential with younger,non tennis families which i was able tap into. Lot of women league players. Sometimes the bigger money is in the smaller clubs if you approach it right.

the i went about 50 percent after my first first child was born at a club with no tennis program. went to the board with a plan and built it up pretty well. as much as i could handle anyways. not really a rich club....more blue collar. i was basically doing it for fun. nice thing was the club let me run all the tennis and,had no involvement whatsoever. that was kind of the deal i made with them.

after our second child was born i cut it down even more. now i live in a fairly small town. there is tennis but not a whole lot of 5.0+ level players that still play and i have yet to see a 4.0-4.5 ish level player that actually knows how to play tennis as opposed to just hitting whatever shot they feel like at the time. I dont belong to a club though. its hard for me to be around tennis clubs as i get the itch to want to go full time again. I still teach a little but mostly for fun and am very selective. i have regulars that dropped their club memberships and followed me. most of the club kids i taught either quit when i left or have grown up. i dont market myself. once in a while i will get a call out of the blue to do a camp for a team but it has to work around my schedule and its not flexible at all. i was able to help a few small hacker teams this summer though.

not sure where it all goes from here. i have an ex student who is an early 20s director pulling in big money now. hes like a little brother to me now. i have always told him we would work together eventually but its just impossible right now. i might be able to pull it part or half time if he moves closer. i dont see him going anywhere though. hes making too much money right now. maybe if he burns out a bit but he is a grinder too and loves it. We would make a good team though. There are just not enough hours in the day to make it work.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Nice reading and too bad it's so hard to make it as a tennis coach!

My only minor comment would be that at my club (in Canada), most of the adult students (especially individual lessons) tend to be males.
 

Fuji

Legend
Nice reading and too bad it's so hard to make it as a tennis coach!

My only minor comment would be that at my club (in Canada), most of the adult students (especially individual lessons) tend to be males.

Where are you at in Canada??? Fellow canuck here!

I'm in a major city in AB, and when I do "publicly accessible" lessons through Tennis Alberta etc, I get a ton of males, usually about 8/10. However at my club it's the complete opposite. :razz:

Definitely for the weekend warrior players, there are a ton more guys. But in the private sphere it's flipped.

-Fuji
 

Coolio

Professional
Tennis coaching is a difficult full time job unless you get a nice gig.
Coaching is the perfect part-time job for me. It doesn't feel like work at all, more of a hobby.
I can do a few lessons a week and still have enough time and energy to concentrate on my own tennis.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Where are you at in Canada??? Fellow canuck here!

I'm in a major city in AB, and when I do "publicly accessible" lessons through Tennis Alberta etc, I get a ton of males, usually about 8/10. However at my club it's the complete opposite. :razz:

Definitely for the weekend warrior players, there are a ton more guys. But in the private sphere it's flipped.

-Fuji

Hi Fuji!

In the capital (just to keep my location secret - in some cases lol) and yes it's a private club, the only one actually with both har-tru during summer and hard courts in the bubble in the winter. There is one more club with some red clay (but not too good quality) in the bubble year around and har tru in the summer.
 

LakeSnake

Professional
Low-paying clients refer low-paying clients, high-paying ones know other people who can pay. Low end work is like weeds in the garden, you want to get rid of it, not encourage it. It's easy to fill your schedule with cheap clients and even easier with non-paying. But if you energetically nurture the good contacts, eventually you can fill your schedule with them (market willing, of course). This is all easy to say and not so easy to do if you are starving. By the way, consider trading--my coach gets 2 hours of piano lessons a week out of trade and it's a good deal for her.
 

magnut

Hall of Fame
Low-paying clients refer low-paying clients, high-paying ones know other people who can pay. Low end work is like weeds in the garden, you want to get rid of it, not encourage it. It's easy to fill your schedule with cheap clients and even easier with non-paying. But if you energetically nurture the good contacts, eventually you can fill your schedule with them (market willing, of course). This is all easy to say and not so easy to do if you are starving. By the way, consider trading--my coach gets 2 hours of piano lessons a week out of trade and it's a good deal for her.

yeah, you dont ussually just walk into a club and set your rates to whatever you want. Say your at a membership owned club...private lesson $50 an hour. You want to raise it to say $60. before you can just start charging that you have propose it to the board and they must approve. Now if your freelance thats a different story. If you dont stay close to what the other pros in the area are charging then you will struggle no matter how good your personality is.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
The biggest challenge, IMHO, is if you're not a great player AND you have no skills teaching little kids. You need one or both. Teaching little kids well is valuable and rare skill.

Were you a Div 1 player or better or just a 4.5 that quit his day job? If so focus on day caretennis & Moms.

As an independent teacher of course you can make bank but it's a constant hustle.
 
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