Can they even avoid knowing it?Don't think any of them will try to know the result beforehand.
How will that change, if at all, how Fedal play their match?
Is this a joke?Don't think any of them will try to know the result beforehand.
I strongly disagree. If Djokovic turns up sick or injured (which is the only way he could possibly lose), then Fedal know that if they win the semi, they win the tournament. It's the same dynamic as last year when mug Anderson awaited them in the final. That makes the match even of higher magnitude. Nadal will be absolutely and insanely ruthless if he knows RBA awaits him, and will be even harder for Fed to beat. If he knows Djoker is waiting him, this will play a part in his mindset and approach... no question.It won't change anything. They still have to beat the person they are playing to make it further.
Is this a joke?
Most unobjective comment ever. No they won't fight any less because Djokovic wins.Yeah, they'll fight harder
It isn't them trying any less hard, Sport. It's about them pushing themselves to the breaking point. Also, I was mostly talking about Federer. Nadal is probably fighting at the same intensity either way.This kind of threads are overarrogant from Djokovic fans. How is that result going to change Nadal's mentality exactly? Nadal WANTS to be in the final, with or without Djokovic. He is not thinking "I don't have a chance" but rather "I want my 3th Wimbledon and a revenge of last year extremelly close final".
Most unobjective comment ever. No they won't fight any less because Djokovic wins.
I strongly disagree. If Djokovic turns up sick or injured (which is the only way he could possibly lose), then Fedal know that if they win the semi, they win the tournament. It's the same dynamic as last year when mug Anderson awaited them in the final. That makes the match even of higher magnitude. Nadal will be absolutely and insanely ruthless if he knows RBA awaits him, and will be even harder for Fed to beat. If he knows Djoker is waiting him, this will play a part in his mindset and approach... no question.
This kind of threads are overarrogant from Djokovic fans. How is that result going to change Nadal's mentality exactly?
Especially if he jumps out front quickly. Confidence goes up and then he'll start unleashing and playing freely.That works both ways. Federer will be harder to beat too.
You are suggesting the 2 ATGs will willingly put in less than 100% if Novak is in the final? Huh?
Yeah, these guys want to play the best because they think they can beat the best, and they have.This kind of threads are overarrogant from Djokovic fans. How is that result going to change Nadal's mentality exactly? Nadal WANTS to be in the final, with or without Djokovic. He is not thinking "I don't have a chance" but rather "I want my 3th Wimbledon and a revenge of last year extremelly close final".
Most unobjective comment ever. No they won't fight any less because Djokovic wins.
Yeah, these guys want to play the best because they think they can beat the best, and they have.
There is a reason they are all time greats, and it's not cause they want to win the easy ones.
OK, thanks for the clarification @TripleATeam. You are right in your analysis, maybe I am dismissing the psychological factors in tennis matchups. Sorry the effusive language that I employed. Have a nice evening and enjoy tomorrow's semifinal.It isn't them trying any less hard, Sport. It's about them pushing themselves to the breaking point. Also, I was mostly talking about Federer. Nadal is probably fighting at the same intensity either way.
Think about it this way.
1. You have to imagine Federer plays at a level that keeps him from being injured. He plays as good as he can without pushing his body to its limits and hurting himself. This allows him to compete for more slams when he sees an opportunity.
2. Beating Nadal then Djokovic is an incredibly tough task. He cannot be expected to win against Nadal and Djokovic playing less than 100%, but perhaps he can against RBA.
3. If Djokovic waits in the final, he can (not guaranteed, but also not a bad chance) beat Nadal and keep Nadal at only 18 GS, as opposed to 19 (one away from his GS count).
4. Nadal against RBA is practically a foregone conclusion.
Therefore if Djokovic loses, two realistic possibilities arise: Federer can win one more grand slam or Nadal can get within 1 of his slam count. (I do not count RBA beating 2 of the Big 3 as realistic.)
Of course, Federer would love the former and dislike the latter, so he'll push himself harder. If he sees the opportunity (Djokovic losing), then all he needs to do is beat Nadal. Of course, that isn't easy, but if it's an even match, I have no doubt Federer will start ignoring that voice in his head that says "don't get injured" and will push himself as hard as he can. If he still loses then, there was no way he was winning another GS. If he wins, he's practically already won #21.
I don't see what part of that is subjective, and I don't appreciate the false dichotomy. It isn't Nadal saying "I don't have a chance" or "I have a chance". It's Federer saying "I have to beat both Nadal and Djokovic" or "This is my last chance. I need to beat Nadal here, or else I'll never win another slam."
I would be highly surprised if that were the case. Anyhow, that is your different perspective and I respect it.If Nole had gone on to the match against Thiem knowing he would face Federer and not Nadal I think he would have pushed himself harder.
Quite all right! You have a great day too. I'll see you during the match thread for Federer/Nadal, I hope? In any case, I hope if Nadal makes the final, we see some sparks fly as they play.OK, thanks for the clarification @TripleATeam. You are right in your analysis, maybe I am dismissing the psychological factors in tennis matchups. Sorry the effusive language that I employed. Have a nice evening and enjoy tomorrow's semifinal.
The poll says they will push themselves harder with RBA in the final. I think that is ridiculous.I think mentally it would put them in a different stratosphere knowing they don't have to play Novak in the final. The effort will be there 100% whoever is in the final of Novak or agut, but mentally it will ease their mind a whole lot playing that SF.
Well fed does. He said that's the only reason he played the FO. To Beat Rafa...
Well fed does. He said that's the only reason he played the FO. To Beat Rafa...
I disagree, they may prefer a weaker opponent, but they definitely like playing the best. Now maybe I went a little far saying the prefer it, but they definitely would prefer to get the win over one of them.He just wanted to play Rafa once more at RG before the end of his career, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t prefer facing easier opponents in general. But my point was that just because you’re an ATG, it doesn’t mean you want to face the best opponents, it just means you’re good enough to beat everybody.
I strongly disagree. If Djokovic turns up sick or injured (which is the only way he could possibly lose), then Fedal know that if they win the semi, they win the tournament. It's the same dynamic as last year when mug Anderson awaited them in the final. That makes the match even of higher magnitude. Nadal will be absolutely and insanely ruthless if he knows RBA awaits him, and will be even harder for Fed to beat. If he knows Djoker is waiting him, this will play a part in his mindset and approach... no question.
You are suggesting the 2 ATGs will willingly put in less than 100% if Novak is in the final? Huh?
The man had no chance against Rafa in the final anyway, and a single loss is not adequate to establish a pattern. That being said, of course he's not invincible. He's just the favorite in the matchup.People are dreaming if they think Djokovic is as invincible as he was. He's losing best-of-3 finals, he's losing Slam semis he really wanted to win, he's making a shedload of unforced errors, and he's generally looking like a veteran tennis player. This is all to play for.
I somewhat agree with this, though I think it could in actuality put more pressure on Nadal and make him play worse. To have a straightforward final awaiting two years in a row so long as he can beat one of the greatest of all time in the semis. It might make him a little tight knowing he probably won’t get that kind of opportunity too many more times. But realistically I’m not sure it would affect the outcome of the match and even more realistically, Djokovic isn’t losing.I strongly disagree. If Djokovic turns up sick or injured (which is the only way he could possibly lose), then Fedal know that if they win the semi, they win the tournament. It's the same dynamic as last year when mug Anderson awaited them in the final. That makes the match even of higher magnitude. Nadal will be absolutely and insanely ruthless if he knows RBA awaits him, and will be even harder for Fed to beat. If he knows Djoker is waiting him, this will play a part in his mindset and approach... no question.
Djokovic isn’t losing.
AlwaysWhy would Ultron lose is the op trolling?
God might.God forbid Djokovic lose his semifinal.
OP says they will push themselves harder if RBA is in the final, meaning they will go into the match putting in less than 100% in a Wimbledon semifinal if it’s Novak waiting.It's not that they won't be trying hard if Djokovic awaits. It's that they will be more confident if Djokovic does not await.