If Nadal outplays Djokovic from the baseline on Sunday, do you think Nadal will win, or will Djokovic still win because of the serve?

[Deleted member 791948]

Because I'm certain Nadal will outplay Djokovic from the baseline, and specifically Nadal's backhand is better than Djokovic's backhand at this Wimbledon.
Also another question, do you think Norrie will beat Nadal on Sunday?

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

DJokovic will win easy because Nadal can't hold serve here.

 

[Deleted member 791948]

DJokovic will win easy because Nadal can't hold serve here.

Neither can Djokovic, especially when he's being outplayed from the baseline

 

[junior74]

I'm not convinced Nadal reaches the final. He is injured and Kyrgios is a lot better than Fritz.

 

[spottishwood]

Djokovic could only win their Wimbledon '18 match cuz it was rigged in his favor. Nadal could've easily beaten him if they hadn't closed the roof.

 

[TripleATeam]

Depends on the degree. 1% more baseline points? Probably Djokovic. 10% more? Probably Nadal.

 

[Martin J]

I don't think Nadal will win if he outplays Djokovic from the baseline. As the matter of fact, he did outplayed him in the baseline rallies in 2018 at Wimbledon, but a player who has a superior serve & return dynamic is the one who usually wins on grass. When you add to that Novak's athleticism (that matches Nadal's), it's going to be hard.
Djok is the favorite regardless of Nadal's state, but if anyone can beat him in a Slam these days, it's Rafa.

 

[helterskelter]

Djokovic could only win their Wimbledon '18 match cuz it was rigged in his favor. Nadal could've easily beaten him if they hadn't closed the roof.

Nadal did beat him easily! Djokovic had to ask them to close the roof, which makes it a clear moral defeat. He basically admitted he needed third party help to compete with Bull!

 

[jl809]

Nadal didn’t do a single full power serve today in practice and there are threads being made about him
in the final on Sunday

 

[Deleted member 791948]

Nadal didn’t do a single full power serve today in practice and there are threads being made about him
in the final on Sunday

But there is no reason to give full power serves in practice when you are saving your stomach for the semi-final.
The fact he chose not to serve big in practice, doesn't tell us anything about what he'll do in the match....
Plus we saw him serve over 110mph in the tiebreaker
Whether you like it or not, there is a very good possibility Nadal will be in the Final.

 

[Bumbaliceps]

Djokovic will eat Nadal's serve... The only chance Rafa has is if Djokovic is overwhelmed by pressure, which would surprise me a lot

 

[TripleATeam]

Nadal did beat him easily! Djokovic had to ask them to close the roof, which makes it a clear moral defeat. He basically admitted he needed third party help to compete with Bull!

Wait then that means Kevin Anderson was the only W2018 finalist to actually participate in the final.

Anderson is a Wimbledon champion by default?

 

[T23]

Fed GOAT!

 

[jl809]

But there is no reason to give full power serves in practice when you are saving your stomach for the semi-final
The fact he chose not to serve big in practice, doesn't tell us anything about what he'll do in the match....

It would be very funny to see this site if he does turn up tomorrow cracking 125+mph regularly

 

[helterskelter]

Wait then that means Kevin Anderson was the only W2018 finalist to actually participate in the final.

Anderson is a Wimbledon champion by default?

Don’t be ridiculous! Bull got the moral win against him too.

 

[TripleATeam]

Don’t be ridiculous! Bull got the moral win against him too.

Can't moral win when you're not morally there

#KAndyMoralChamp

 

[USMC-615]

Nadal gotta get there first...

 

[Bhagi Katbamna]

If they meet, the key is gong to be Nadal's variety. Djokovic eats up the younger players because they typically hit topspin shots at their normal rally speeds. Nadal will need short, biting slice shots mixed in with high backhand shots down the line and then follow up with big forehands. Of course, Djokovic is good enough that even if Nadal has the right plan but doesn't execute it really well, Nadal will lose.

 

[helterskelter]

It would be very funny to see this site if he does turn up tomorrow cracking 125+mph regularly

He will, of course.

 

[Kralingen]

lol

is this what I sound like to people with my Nadal hype?

 

[Deleted member 791948]

It would be very funny to see this site if he does turn up tomorrow cracking 125+mph regularly

The interesting thing is, I don't think Nadal needs to serve big to beat Djokovic, because I've always wanted Nadal to serve with more kick and into the body vs. Djokovic.
Serve fast to Djokovic, is not a great idea, unless you have a huge serve that overwhelms Djokovic. Djokovic uses the pace against you

 

[helterskelter]

Can't moral win when you're not morally there

#KAndyMoralChamp

He was morally there. He got the moral win in the semis so he was in the moral final. That’s how moral draws work.

 

[Deleted member 791948]

Nadal gotta get there first...

Well I don't think anyone really trusts Kyrgios to beat Nadal. They may want him to, but everybody has doubts about Kyrgios
Nadal is definitely the safer bet in that semi-final.

 

[TripleATeam]

He was morally there. He got the moral win in the semis so he was in the moral final. That’s how moral draws work.

I didn't feel his presence. That's one of the moral prerequisites. Didn't you read "moral victories 101"?

 

[helterskelter]

I didn't feel his presence. That's one of the moral prerequisites. Didn't you read "moral victories 101"?

I did. Entry 1.0: Bull is always severely injured and always overcomes his severe injuries to win heroically and against the odds.

 

[The Blond Blur]

I mean Joker's own serve hasn't been impressive at this tournament. That being said, he should still be the favorite in a hypothetical F due to his return + RAFA's crappy serving due to his abdominal strain.

 

[TripleATeam]

I did. Entry 1.0: Bull is always severely injured and always overcomes his severe injuries to win heroically and against the odds.

Hmmm... that part seems to have been removed in the newer versions. Are you using the new, revised 2021 edition? My professor made me get it for a class last semester and now it's just collecting dust. Says
"Entry 1.0: A moral victory is granted to the victor of a close match where the conditions were unfavorable.
Corollary A: A moral victory can only be claimed a match at a time.

Entry 1.1: A moral tournament win can happen through multiple opponents, but necessitates a beatdown in the coming or previous tournaments.
Example A: Federer narrowly loses to Goffin. Nadal beats Goffin to win G'staad. Federer then beats Goffin the next tournament in straight sets. Federer can only then claim moral G'staad"

The algebra got more complex in the recent years. It was so easy back in the golden days...

 

[Rosstour]

Nadal will slice and drop-shot Novak into oblivion

 

[prosperned]

Nadal slice to Djoko may turn out to give Djoko more problems than playing with pace. Djokovic was always going to return his serve too, make sure to give him more spin. Djokovic hasn’t been impressive on second serve returns this tournament.

If Nadal can use a shoulder serve of some sort and reduce the need for his abdomen why not? He’s the greatest baseliner we’ve ever seen

 

[spottishwood]

I didn't feel his presence. That's one of the moral prerequisites. Didn't you read "moral victories 101"?

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