In/Out Device
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ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I tested the service practice briefly today with the latest firmware.
The court calibration was fairly good in an indoor court. The court was found within a few attempts. I guess it helps if you move the camera just a little bit when the court is never found.
It was only 10 to 20 shots but calls were missed or ignored more than 50%. It'll be next major improvement if missing calls happen this much. There wasn't any false positive calls. Calls made were pretty much spot on.
The court calibration was fairly good in an indoor court. The court was found within a few attempts. I guess it helps if you move the camera just a little bit when the court is never found.
It was only 10 to 20 shots but calls were missed or ignored more than 50%. It'll be next major improvement if missing calls happen this much. There wasn't any false positive calls. Calls made were pretty much spot on.
Tennis_Monk
Hall of Fame
Did you use a tripod or netpost?
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I used the netpost. I’ve been using netpost and doing all right. I guess I’ll be all right in the future as well because the firmware is supposed to be improved a bit more.
Tennis_Monk
Hall of Fame
All I can say, having been a member for so many years, is that the moderators are very fair.Wow, more censorship, it seems any hint of criticism is removed here.
All it will do is to hurt the poor suckers who buy this product based on the obviously biased reporting here!
Tennis-warehouse loses credibility here.
Stick to their policies and all is well.
Criticism is also allowed. As long as it within bounds of policies.
newpball
Legend
Indeed it is generally fair, but certainly not in this topic!
You would not know because you are one of the cheerleaders and I bet none of your postings here are deleted!
tennisaddict03
Rookie
Timbuk2 Gearbox makes an awesome case for the In/Out. Hardshell case with plenty of room. I like Timbuk2 products.
.... I would be careful of scratching the camera lenses there....
eelhc
Hall of Fame
No issues. strap doesn't touch the lenses, also the in/out can be placed with the lenses facing in.
Tennis_Monk
Hall of Fame
Indeed it is generally fair, but certainly not in this topic!
You would not know because you are one of the cheerleaders and I bet none of your postings here are deleted!
Personally I never had any posts deleted, ever.
Obviously I wouldn't know, but I fail to see any specific reason beyond policies for posts deletion.
Tw doesn't sell or market this product.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I used in doubles matches today.
The court calibration took more than 20 attempts. It was all cloudy at an outdoor court. I made a lot of calibration reports. But I wasn't fair because I always did it when 4 players were playing on court. A strange thing is that once the court gets found, the calibration becomes a lot faster even the device is turned off.
The main purpose today was to check false positive calls. It was significantly improved even though it was double matches with the singles practice mode. I didn't check all the calls but there were only a few junk calls in 2 hours. Points were tracked pretty well overall. By the way, everybody should experience the point replay with video on the cloud application. It makes video review a lot easier.
So for me, the singles practice mode is good enough to have spent $200. I'd charge at least $50 dollars if someone ask me to turn 1 hour practice video into a shot placement database.
I wonder how Gregoire makes a match mode. It won't be easy if he intends to track scores. I wish he make it simpler like only detecting the service side and making line calls.
The court calibration took more than 20 attempts. It was all cloudy at an outdoor court. I made a lot of calibration reports. But I wasn't fair because I always did it when 4 players were playing on court. A strange thing is that once the court gets found, the calibration becomes a lot faster even the device is turned off.
The main purpose today was to check false positive calls. It was significantly improved even though it was double matches with the singles practice mode. I didn't check all the calls but there were only a few junk calls in 2 hours. Points were tracked pretty well overall. By the way, everybody should experience the point replay with video on the cloud application. It makes video review a lot easier.
So for me, the singles practice mode is good enough to have spent $200. I'd charge at least $50 dollars if someone ask me to turn 1 hour practice video into a shot placement database.
I wonder how Gregoire makes a match mode. It won't be easy if he intends to track scores. I wish he make it simpler like only detecting the service side and making line calls.
Did you succeed to record a 2 hours "Line Call + Record" session ? No overheating with bad behavior like not stable video or increased missed calls. No freeze of device screen freeze, no empty battery.
Which size and format kind of sd card did you use ? External battery plugged ?
FYI, I succeded to record to 5Gb video (1h13m) on my sdcard formated with exFat. With Fat32, the device is programmed to stop a recording at 3.5GB and restart it (because of FAT32 limitation).
Thanks.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I didn't record the 2 hour session straight. Someone accidentally touched the device a couple of times. I felt calls were missed too often sometimes. I restarted recording each time, even rebooted the device once, and ended up with 7 sessions.
None of the videos were broken. There was no fatal mal-function like a freeze. It was chilly outside. Obviously there wasn't any overheating.
One battery fully charged made it all the way. I didn't use an external battery. I've got a second battery instead. If a battery outage broke a video, I could test the fixing feature. That was my plan.
My SD card is 64GB and formatted by exFat. I can use the rec only for a few hours if I'm merely testing the file size. But I don't think I'll do it until I see a problem.
Overall, my concerns are narrowed down to frequency of missing calls at the moment.
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Ok thanks. I succeded to use the broken video repair feature. But is seems that you need, on your sd-card, a free space equal to the final video size.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Oh, then it’ll take a long time if the file is large. Does it show a progress bar or something?
No progress bar if I remember well. But it would not be hard for gregoire to add it. And it's not a main feature that we will use often... if the device works well
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Absolutely.
mrmoonball
New User
Mine still crashes and starts freezing, shutting itself off randomly after like 30-40 min. Never got anything longer than 30 min.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Are you on the latest firmware? Were you able to repair the video? Other than that, I’d test another SD card.
Greg G
Professional
On the latest firmware 12-05-2017.
The good:
Court detection seems better- the court that it had previously failed to detect was finally detected, still with some difficulty. Took about 10 tries.
The bad:
Line calls were more inconsistent, but I suspect it may be the poor lighting conditions of the court. The mapping of ball placement was pretty good though.
The good:
Court detection seems better- the court that it had previously failed to detect was finally detected, still with some difficulty. Took about 10 tries.
The bad:
Line calls were more inconsistent, but I suspect it may be the poor lighting conditions of the court. The mapping of ball placement was pretty good though.
Firmware 2017-12-05.
Court detection seems better - It recognized the lines at first try. However, I went to a court that was used for kiddy tennis and there were extra lines on the court (from the peeled off tape). In/Out consistently detected the kiddy lines on one side of the court where the baseline and sidelines were much shorter. LOL. I did "Find Court" multiple times and for a few times, it detected the correct lines but green lines were poorly drawn. I would try again and it would return to detecting the kiddy court lines.
Non-ball items - I did not experience these calls at all - yay - it did not mistake my white shoes, navy blue sweat pants, shadow on lines for a tennis ball.
Has anyone thought about doing some precision testing? It is a challenge. I notice In/Out will not call a vertically dropped ball, e.g. when I start a practice rally. It "knows" to call balls that travel over the net. Thus, it's a challenge to test for precision. I am not good enough to consistently toss or hit balls to a specific spot on the other side of the net.
Court detection seems better - It recognized the lines at first try. However, I went to a court that was used for kiddy tennis and there were extra lines on the court (from the peeled off tape). In/Out consistently detected the kiddy lines on one side of the court where the baseline and sidelines were much shorter. LOL. I did "Find Court" multiple times and for a few times, it detected the correct lines but green lines were poorly drawn. I would try again and it would return to detecting the kiddy court lines.
Non-ball items - I did not experience these calls at all - yay - it did not mistake my white shoes, navy blue sweat pants, shadow on lines for a tennis ball.
Has anyone thought about doing some precision testing? It is a challenge. I notice In/Out will not call a vertically dropped ball, e.g. when I start a practice rally. It "knows" to call balls that travel over the net. Thus, it's a challenge to test for precision. I am not good enough to consistently toss or hit balls to a specific spot on the other side of the net.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Maybe you can just play with it and check close calls on the device when it happens. You can report them, too, this way.
For the kiddy tennis lines recognition, it's anormal because the soft should have a pattern of a standard tennis court. Did you submit a ticket for it ?
Yes, I submitted a support ticket. Thank you.
From "Troubleshooting on Court" web page:
Some courts more problematic than others
No tennis court is perfect but some conditions can make the detection much harder.
Additional lines (for kids courts or for basket ball playground) are not really supported at the moment. It will be supported in a future upgrade but it's not a priority at the moment.
pnw_hardcourt
Rookie
Gregoire has posted a detailed updated on the device launch progress etc.
http://support.inout.tennis/status-mid-december-2017
And new firmware is out, 2018-01-01 https://inout.tennis/firmware/2018-01-01
http://support.inout.tennis/status-mid-december-2017
And new firmware is out, 2018-01-01 https://inout.tennis/firmware/2018-01-01
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I updated the device to the beta 2018-01-01 but I don't have a chance to use it until one week later. Has anyone tested the ball speed and the net clearance height? It'll be a great aspect to add to the statistics. I'm also interested in the export data of the stats. I wish the data have time stamp on each call.
Personally, the improvement on the video audio was a good thing. I use a Mac that is basically based on QuickTime Player. Now I can hear the sound without switching to Windows.
Personally, the improvement on the video audio was a good thing. I use a Mac that is basically based on QuickTime Player. Now I can hear the sound without switching to Windows.
I tried today the new firmware.
The ball speed is correclty shown in the line call screen but not the height over the net if I didn't miss it.
And displayed in stats like this :
The corresponding csv file is the following :
Code:
Firmware version: 2018-01-01
Date session: 20180104-152820
Type session: 0
Unit: Imperial
Format:
inout x y speed netheight
1 -33.39 5.80 41 3.7
1 36.75 -10.11 55 9.2
0 -25.29 16.67 85 37.6The x,y is the coordinate of the ball's bounce in feet with the following coordinates system :
The speed is in Mph. For the net height,I don't guess the unit.
And the timestamp is missing.
And there also a zoom feature in the bounce review on the device.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
I tried today the new firmware.
The ball speed is correclty shown in the line call screen but not the height over the net if I didn't miss it.
And displayed in stats like this :
The corresponding csv file is the following :
The first column tell if the ball is in (1) or out (0)Code:Firmware version: 2018-01-01 Date session: 20180104-152820 Type session: 0 Unit: Imperial Format: inout x y speed netheight 1 -33.39 5.80 41 3.7 1 36.75 -10.11 55 9.2 0 -25.29 16.67 85 37.6
The x,y is the coordinate of the ball's bounce in feet with the following coordinates system :
The speed is in Mph. For the net height,I don't guess the unit.
And the timestamp is missing.
And there also a zoom feature in the bounce review on the device.
You clocked 136km/h? That's really impressive. The net height is a sort of mystery. Hmm.
The review mode of the companion app obviously uses time stamps, so they're stored somewhere. I wish Gregoire add them in the future.
eelhc
Hall of Fame
I tried today the new firmware.
The ball speed is correclty shown in the line call screen but not the height over the net if I didn't miss it.
And displayed in stats like this :
The corresponding csv file is the following :
The first column tell if the ball is in (1) or out (0)Code:Firmware version: 2018-01-01 Date session: 20180104-152820 Type session: 0 Unit: Imperial Format: inout x y speed netheight 1 -33.39 5.80 41 3.7 1 36.75 -10.11 55 9.2 0 -25.29 16.67 85 37.6
The x,y is the coordinate of the ball's bounce in feet with the following coordinates system :
The speed is in Mph. For the net height,I don't guess the unit.
And the timestamp is missing.
And there also a zoom feature in the bounce review on the device.
Haven't had a chance to play lately week so I've not had the chance to test the new firmware but this stuff is getting me excited. I've maintained since the very beginning the line calling feature is less interesting than the stats tracking. Already, this is much more useful information than the tennis sensors.
mrmoonball
New User
I wish it could show serve speed real time on the screen after practice.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Is it like showing data with the video replay on the device? That’ll be really nice.
Today, these new stats (ball speed and height over the net) are not displayed in the replay in the wep application.
And the unit for the height over the net is feet. I tested it yesterday and it had been quite accurate under 1 meter. For this, I put a panel against the net with 1 meter above the net.
I made shot near the panel and remember where the ball cross it and measure the height.
But not sure it's accurate all the time and especially above my panel (not very easy to check)
mrmoonball
New User
In his prototype on the main page it does show the serve speed right away on the screen when Gregoire hits a few serves.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
You mean on the line call screen? It should show something according to the release log.
mrmoonball
New User
Yes just like in this screenshot you can see serve speed 74 MPH https://i.imgur.com/pPRWqKB.png
My device is still crashing. My gut feeling says its overheating.
Yes the ball speed is displayed on Line call screen in practice simple and serve training modes. And you can swtich between ball speed and height over the net by clicking on the actual displayed stat.
FYI I got these checks about the height over the net stat :
In/Out device -> My measure
1,1m -> 0,9m
0,8m -> 0,8m
3,3m -> ??
0,8m -> 0,6m
0,2m -> 0,2m
mrmoonball
New User
I had to enable it in the hidden menu. Will try again tomorrow. Are your devices also crashing randomly, freezing up and shutting itself off after a while?
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Mine crashes sometimes, too. My impression is a memory leak because it happens even on a cold outside court.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
Try a portable fan to see if that helps?
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
I hopefully get mine back soon. He said I inserted the battery upside down. The device should prevent this, if true.
The root cause is the battery pulled out of the device when I unplugged the USB charger. That is another design flaw.
The root cause is the battery pulled out of the device when I unplugged the USB charger. That is another design flaw.
Maximus XXIV
Rookie
That is a troll. A troll that posted personal attacks and insults and rarely anything of true value to potential buyers. Best to ignore.
mrmoonball
New User
Theres a hidden menu that displays the temp. When you just start the device and its IDLE its around 45 C for me. It ALWAYS works good for 10 first minutes after that it starts to crash, touch screen doesnt work or becomes sluggish, it jumps front and back from menus by itself e.g. If I let it cool down for 10 min and then start again. It works for a while. It's overheating.
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Yes, sounds like overheating. Unfortunately I won’t be able to test it because my courts are basically cold now.
As said in Gregoire support, this temperature is internal to the processor :
In my test, with the device only on with no record/line call, the temperature grows like in the following diagram :
Then for me no crash during 120 minutes with no record/line call.
When recording only (no line call), I've got these results :
- Initial t° : 35°c
- Record only lanched
- Screen freezed after 16 min 27 sec.
- I've stoped the video after 25 min 48 sec.
- Video seemed to be recorded
- T° : 86 °c
- When I tried to replay the video, I've got a black screen and the device was freezed.
- Hard reboot
- T° 79°c
- Record only lanched again
- Screen freezed again after 16 min 41 sec.
I will do these tests agin with the new firmawre.
mrmoonball, your crash are only with the new firmware ? during recording ?
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Has anyone used the debug report through the web interface?
It's a binary file, then we can't do anything with it
ElMagoElGato
Semi-Pro
Only Grégoire can use it, I guess. Firmware writers sometimes are very good at finding problems through debug files. Though I don’t put priority on it myself at the moment, it has to be worked out somewhere on the road.
