In which categories can Djokovic finish ahead of Federer?

[HashDump]

There is a lot of discussions about GOAT, but I want to ask all of you people what is necessary Djokovic to acheive to become greater then Federer? Can he do it with less slams or less weeks at no1 and if so, why or what he must acheive in that case?

1) Already ahead or tied:
a. Masters Series titles: Djokovic leads 26-24
b. Career head-to-head: Djokovic leads 23-22
c. Career head-to-head record against others: Djokovic trails only Roddick. Federer trails Nadal and Kafelnikov.
d. Career winning percentage: Djokovic leads 82.70% to 81.64%

2) Can realistically catch up:
a. Years at #1: Federer leads 5-4 I don't see who can stop Djokovic to finish this year at #1.
b. World Tour Finals: Federer leads 6-5 Djokovic playing well at the end of the year so I see he can tie this one.

3) Not much chance:
a. Grand Slam titles: Federer leads 17-11 I don't see Djokovic wins six more, Federer should be safe.
b. Weeks at #1: Federer leads 302-184 This is also big challenge, I don't think he can overtake this record.
c. Career titles: Federer leads 88-61 Djokovic constantly wining the titles but 27 is still huge number.

 

[tennis_pro]

Which former poster are you again?

 

[CYGS]

There is a lot of discussions about GOAT, but I want to ask all of you people what is necessary Djokovic to acheive to become greater then Federer? Can he do it with less slams or less weeks at no1 and if so, why or what he must acheive in that case?

1) Already ahead or tied:
a. Masters Series titles: Djokovic leads 26-24
b. Career head-to-head: Djokovic leads 23-22
c. Career head-to-head record against others: Djokovic trails only Roddick. Federer trails Nadal and Kafelnikov.
d. Career winning percentage: Djokovic leads 82.70% to 81.64%

2) Can realistically catch up:
a. Years at #1: Federer leads 5-4 I don't see who can stop Djokovic to finish this year at #1.
b. World Tour Finals: Federer leads 6-5 Djokovic playing well at the end of the year so I see he can tie this one.

3) Not much chance:
a. Grand Slam titles: Federer leads 17-11 I don't see Djokovic wins six more, Federer should be safe.
b. Weeks at #1: Federer leads 302-184 This is also big challenge, I don't think he can overtake this record.
c. Career titles: Federer leads 88-61 Djokovic constantly wining the titles but 27 is still huge number.

Djokovic has a losing H2H against 8 players. Nadal 10 & Federer 20+, if I remember correctly.

 

[HashDump]

Djokovic has a losing H2H against 8 players. Nadal 10 & Federer 20+, if I remember correctly.

It counts only with players with 5 or more matches.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Only categories that matter are hard court slams, no of slams and weeks at no1.

 

[CYGS]

It counts only with players with 5 or more matches.

Why?

 

[Emperor of Belgrade]

It is quite amazing that he has found himself in a position to be ahead in several categories. Kudos to him for everything he has done recently to shrink the gap.
My bet would be - where he is ahead he will stay ahead, while he will overtake Federer in the WTF and YE #1.
You might as well say he has 201 weeks, mathematically he is assured the number 1 spot until the end of Roland Garros.

 

[ultradr]

There is a lot of discussions about GOAT, but I want to ask all of you people what is necessary Djokovic to acheive to become greater then Federer? Can he do it with less slams or less weeks at no1 and if so, why or what he must acheive in that case?

1) Already ahead or tied:
a. Masters Series titles: Djokovic leads 26-24
b. Career head-to-head: Djokovic leads 23-22
c. Career head-to-head record against others: Djokovic trails only Roddick. Federer trails Nadal and Kafelnikov.
d. Career winning percentage: Djokovic leads 82.70% to 81.64%

2) Can realistically catch up:
a. Years at #1: Federer leads 5-4 I don't see who can stop Djokovic to finish this year at #1.
b. World Tour Finals: Federer leads 6-5 Djokovic playing well at the end of the year so I see he can tie this one.

3) Not much chance:
a. Grand Slam titles: Federer leads 17-11 I don't see Djokovic wins six more, Federer should be safe.
b. Weeks at #1: Federer leads 302-184 This is also big challenge, I don't think he can overtake this record.
c. Career titles: Federer leads 88-61 Djokovic constantly wining the titles but 27 is still huge number.

Definitely the year end #1.

I would value Novak's 5+ YE#1 much higher than Roger's 5.

And it is very significant record (to chase). He is approaching toward guys like Sampras(6), Laver(6) and Gonzalez(7).

 

[HashDump]

Why?

I think it is not relevant to consider as rivalry if the players play less than 5 times and not giving the real picture who is better. If the players 20 years old faces 35 years old and loses once or twice that doesn't mean that he is better, it means he didn't faced him enough.

 

[CYGS]

I think it is not relevant to consider as rivalry if the players play less than 5 times and not giving the real picture who is better. If the players 20 years old faces 35 years old and loses once or twice that doesn't mean that he is better, it means he didn't faced him enough.

5 is a bit arbitrary though. Either way, Djokovic is already ahead.

 

[HashDump]

Definitely the year end #1.

I would value Novak's 5+ YE#1 much higher than Roger's 5.

And it is very significant record (to chase). He is approaching toward guys like Sampras(6), Laver(6) and Gonzalez(7).

Basically if Nole finishes his career with 6 or maybe 7 YE#1, even with less slams, you will consider him as greater?

 

[metsman]

There is a lot of discussions about GOAT, but I want to ask all of you people what is necessary Djokovic to acheive to become greater then Federer? Can he do it with less slams or less weeks at no1 and if so, why or what he must acheive in that case?

1) Already ahead or tied:
b. Career head-to-head: Djokovic leads 23-22
c. Career head-to-head record against others: Djokovic trails only Roddick. Federer trails Nadal and Kafelnikov.

 

[HashDump]

I said minimum 5 matches. What is wrong here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer_career_statistics

 

[uscwang]

There is a lot of discussions about GOAT, but I want to ask all of you people what is necessary Djokovic to acheive to become greater then Federer? Can he do it with less slams or less weeks at no1 and if so, why or what he must acheive in that case?

1) Already ahead or tied:
a. Masters Series titles: Djokovic leads 26-24
b. Career head-to-head: Djokovic leads 23-22
c. Career head-to-head record against others: Djokovic trails only Roddick. Federer trails Nadal and Kafelnikov.
d. Career winning percentage: Djokovic leads 82.70% to 81.64%

2) Can realistically catch up:
a. Years at #1: Federer leads 5-4 I don't see who can stop Djokovic to finish this year at #1.
b. World Tour Finals: Federer leads 6-5 Djokovic playing well at the end of the year so I see he can tie this one.

3) Not much chance:
a. Grand Slam titles: Federer leads 17-11 I don't see Djokovic wins six more, Federer should be safe.
b. Weeks at #1: Federer leads 302-184 This is also big challenge, I don't think he can overtake this record.
c. Career titles: Federer leads 88-61 Djokovic constantly wining the titles but 27 is still huge number.

By the end of their career, compared to Federer, Novak will likely have:
A winning H2H.
A better H2H against Nadal, their common rival.
A better career winning percentage.
More YE#1.
More weeks at #1.
More WTF titles.
More Master 1000 titles.
Greater dominance at a single GS (AO vs. Fed's WB)
He may or may not beat Federer in total GS titles and total titles won.
Fed will have more ATP 500+250 titles, and more Edberg Sportsmanship Awards.

 

[tennisaddict]

By the end of their career, compared to Federer, Novak will likely have:
A winning H2H. - Useless
A better H2H against Nadal, their common rival. - Useless
A better career winning percentage. - - Useless
More YE#1. - Good
More weeks at #1. -Tough ask
More WTF titles. - Good
More Master 1000 titles. - Really ?
Greater dominance at a single GS (AO vs. Fed's WB) - Do you see Novak making 10 finals ?
He may or may not beat Federer in total GS titles and total titles won. - Most important and Will not.
Fed will have more ATP 500+250 titles, and more Edberg Sportsmanship Awards. - Disappointing for Novak , since his fans claim he is the most popular player in the locker room

 

[Emperor of Belgrade]

Djokovic needs two more AO titles to have greater dominance, not another 4 finals.
Sportsmanship and popularity are not the same.

 

[tennisaddict]

Djokovic needs two more AO titles to have greater dominance, not another 4 finals.
Sportsmanship and popularity are not the same.

Dominance at 2 majors far triumphs dominance at 1 major. Or for that matter dominance at 3 is even better.

 

[Emperor of Belgrade]

Dominance at 2 majors far triumphs dominance at 1 major. Or for that matter dominance at 3 is even better.

Nobody is denying that. But Djokovic's dominance at his best Slam and Federer's dominance at his best Slam were compared.

 

[tennisaddict]

Nobody is denying that. But Djokovic's dominance at his best Slam and Federer's dominance at his best Slam were compared.

I know . I was LOL at the poster who sliced and diced stats to his advantage.

 

[Emperor of Belgrade]

I know . I was LOL at the poster who sliced and diced stats to his advantage.

There is no advantage seeking. Djokovic is far from becoming the GOAT since he is trailing by 6 Slams and 100 weeks, but there are several categories where he is ahead and is about to be ahead. Simple.

 

[tennisaddict]

There is no advantage seeking. Djokovic is far from becoming the GOAT since he is trailing by 6 Slams and 100 weeks, but there are several categories where he is ahead and is about to be ahead. Simple.

I agree with stats like Weeks at #1, WTF, etc.,

But dominance at 1 major (AO vs Wimb) is not the correct way to look at.

 

[Emperor of Belgrade]

I agree with stats like Weeks at #1, WTF, etc.,

But dominance at 1 major (AO vs Wimb) is not the correct way to look at.

Well you can look at any category really. Lets say Djokovic does finish with more AO titles than Federer has at Wimbledon, it will not give him an advantage in the general debate, since Federer has more Slams overall. Just like saying that Federer is more dominant at his favorite Masters tournament than Djokovic is at his. Nice dominance stat, but not important for the big Masters picture, where Djokovic leads.

 

[ultradr]

Basically if Nole finishes his career with 6 or maybe 7 YE#1, even with less slams, you will consider him as greater?

I'm just saying he dominated longer compared to Federer's dominant 4 years (+1 not so dominant year).
If he does 6+ YE#1, his final slam count should be similar to 17.
Then he will be considered better than Federer by many, not just me.

 

[TommyA8X]

I'm just saying he dominated longer compared to Federer's dominant 4 years (+1 not so dominant year).
If he does 6+ YE#1, his final slam count should be similar to 17.
Then he will be considered better than Federer by many, not just me.

And why is that??
He won one slam in 2012 and still finished as No.1.
He won one slam in 2014 and finished as No.1
He could win no more slams this year and end as No.1.
He could win one slam in 2017 and again finish as No.1.
His major total would be 12. Faaaaar from similar to 17.

Also,
Fed in 2009 was more dominant than Djokovic in either 2012 or 2014 (when Djokovic almost finished second behind Federer with ZERO slams).

 

[xFedal]

Definitely the year end #1.

I would value Novak's 5+ YE#1 much higher than Roger's 5.

And it is very significant record (to chase). He is approaching toward guys like Sampras(6), Laver(6) and Gonzalez(7).

Novak if he wins RG, will have the Nole slam the 4 in a row over Roger, another Multi slam season, another dominant season, another Year End tying Fed, close to 30 Masters, 6WTF by the end of the year, 235 Weeks at No.1 by the end of the year + 2 Months of off season, Many of Feds records or feats or under big time threat.

 

[xFedal]

By the end of their career, compared to Federer, Novak will likely have:
A winning H2H.
A better H2H against Nadal, their common rival.
A better career winning percentage.
More YE#1.
More weeks at #1.
More WTF titles.
More Master 1000 titles.
Greater dominance at a single GS (AO vs. Fed's WB)
He may or may not beat Federer in total GS titles and total titles won.
Fed will have more ATP 500+250 titles, and more Edberg Sportsmanship Awards.

The pink is meaningless when it comes to GOATHOOD. Novak has a lot of pathways to GOATHOOD. I will list a few now, 6/7 YEAR End No.1, Non Calendar Slam.

 

[CYGS]

Novak if he wins RG, will have the Nole slam the 4 in a row over Roger, another Multi slam season, another dominant season, another Year End tying Fed, close to 30 Masters, 6WTF by the end of the year, 235 Weeks at No.1 by the end of the year + 2 Months of off season, Many of Feds records or feats or under big time threat.

Agreed. This year is a critical year to determine his place in the history.

 

[xFedal]

Agreed. This year is a critical year to determine his place in the history.

Have you got the info about Feds and Nole yearly points? The list me and Tacinfo made about points? I can't find it.

 

[Emperor of Belgrade]

The pink is meaningless when it comes to GOATHOOD. Novak has a lot of pathways to GOATHOOD. I will list a few now, 6/7 YEAR End No.1, Non Calendar Slam.

Having pathways is not enough. He better win 7 matches at this FO or the Non Calendar Slam path will probably be gone forever.

 

[xFedal]

Having pathways is not enough. He better win 7 matches at this FO or the Non Calendar Slam path will probably be gone forever.

Yes he must win RG to break many Nadals, Lavers and Federers records! Nadal held slams on every surface in 2010. Federer won RG,Wimby and & AO10. So Novak can shatter many records by winning RG, Make incredible history.

 

[Emperor of Belgrade]

Yes he must win RG to break many Nadals, Lavers and Federers records! Nadal held slams on every surface in 2010. Federer won RG,Wimby and & AO10. So Novak can shatter many records by winning RG, Make incredible history.

Good thing is that he has won loads of titles in the last year and a half which strengthened his legacy incredibly. Entering that group of Tier 1 greats was the main goal and he has done that. Everything won from this point is a bonus. FO 2016 is his biggest chance of reaching incredible heights, everything he's been working on in all the trainings and mathces he should summon at that tournament.

 

[xFedal]

And why is that??
He won one slam in 2012 and still finished as No.1.
He won one slam in 2014 and finished as No.1
He could win no more slams this year and end as No.1.
He could win one slam in 2017 and again finish as No.1.
His major total would be 12. Faaaaar from similar to 17.

Also,
Fed in 2009 was more dominant than Djokovic in either 2012 or 2014 (when Djokovic almost finished second behind Federer with ZERO slams).

Very interested math, Fed wins 2 slams in 2009 but is just 2 sets away from CYGS (he was just 2 sets away from stay slamless that year just as well, even closer)?! And in the great years of Fed, 2004-2007 and 2009 in 3 of this 5 years (04, 05, 09) hi had less points than No1e in 2012 (which is a very poor year in your eyes with #1 measurement, which determines by ATP points)! Take a look at Feds #1 years if we take points to to-days system.

Feds 06 – 15510p < 16585p - No1es 15
Feds 07 - 13345p < 13630p – No1es 11 (and 15)
Feds 04 – 12235p < 12920p – Noles 12 (and 13, 11, 15)
Feds 05 – 11655p < 12260p – No1es 13 (and 12, 11, 15)
Feds 09 – 10550p < 11360p – No1es 14 (and 13, 12, 11, 15)

So if you look just at points (and it is only points which determines rankings and no1) for each of Feds great years No1e has at list one with more points! And in all of No1es eras years (2011-2015) No1e accumulate more points (with some margin, bigger then Rafa had on Nole in 2013) than Fed in 2009!

And how about that No1e didn’t secure #1 already before WTF in 2012?! His advantage over Fed on no2 in the end of the year was 2655p! Fed made F in WTF (1000p) and No1e won it (1500p). So, No1es advantage before WTF was 2155p! And even if No1e lost all matches and didn’t make a point in that WTF and if Fed won all 1500p, No1e would be 655p ahead of him!

If anyone of Fed and No1e didn’t secure the YE no1 to the very last tournament of the year it will be Fed in 2009! He outperform Rafa with just 1345 points that year. Fed had 2 RR wins (400p) and Rafa 0 (0p). So if Rafa won WTf he would have 1500 points more and finished year with 155 more points. And if Fed lost those 2 matches he would have 400 less points and if Rafa won the tournament Rafa would finish the year with 555 more points than Fed.

And when we talk about 2014, No1e wasn’t named just best tennis player both from ATP and ITF, he was named the best sportsman of the world from the most prestigious organization who named the best sportsman of the year, Laureus World Sports Award.

 

[TommyA8X]

Very interested math, Fed wins 2 slams in 2009 but is just 2 sets away from CYGS (he was just 2 sets away from stay slamless that year just as well, even closer)?! And in the great years of Fed, 2004-2007 and 2009 in 3 of this 5 years (04, 05, 09) hi had less points than No1e in 2012 (which is a very poor year in your eyes with #1 measurement, which determines by ATP points)! Take a look at Feds #1 years if we take points to to-days system.

Feds 06 – 15510p < 16585p - No1es 15
Feds 07 - 13345p < 13630p – No1es 11 (and 15)
Feds 04 – 12235p < 12920p – Noles 12 (and 13, 11, 15)
Feds 05 – 11655p < 12260p – No1es 13 (and 12, 11, 15)
Feds 09 – 10550p < 11360p – No1es 14 (and 13, 12, 11, 15)

So if you look just at points (and it is only points which determines rankings and no1) for each of Feds great years No1e has at list one with more points! And in all of No1es eras years (2011-2015) No1e accumulate more points (with some margin, bigger then Rafa had on Nole in 2013) than Fed in 2009!

And how about that No1e didn’t secure #1 already before WTF in 2012?! His advantage over Fed on no2 in the end of the year was 2655p! Fed made F in WTF (1000p) and No1e won it (1500p). So, No1es advantage before WTF was 2155p! And even if No1e lost all matches and didn’t make a point in that WTF and if Fed won all 1500p, No1e would be 655p ahead of him!

If anyone of Fed and No1e didn’t secure the YE no1 to the very last tournament of the year it will be Fed in 2009! He outperform Rafa with just 1345 points that year. Fed had 2 RR wins (400p) and Rafa 0 (0p). So if Rafa won WTf he would have 1500 points more and finished year with 155 more points. And if Fed lost those 2 matches he would have 400 less points and if Rafa won the tournament Rafa would finish the year with 555 more points than Fed.

And when we talk about 2014, No1e wasn’t named just best tennis player both from ATP and ITF, he was named the best sportsman of the world from the most prestigious organization who named the best sportsman of the year, Laureus World Sports Award.

Lol at even putting Fed's 2004 and Djokovic's any year apart from 2011 and 2015 in the same sentence in terms of dominance. The same goes for 2005,06 and 07. Fed's 2009 also beats Djokovic's 12/13/14. 2 slams (all 4 finals) > 1 slam + WTF.
1000 point here and there mean zilch. Would Djokovic's (and his fans) rather see him win 1 more slam this year or 1 Masters 1000 + WTF. (Heck, 2 MS1000 and WTF). Would you rather see Djokovic win 3 slams this year or 6 MS1000 + WTF??

The part about Fed being No1 without a slam was for 2014, and it's a fact.
Fed's won the Laureus 4 times, but that doesn't mean that much for tennis greatness.

 

[xFedal]

Lol at even putting Fed's 2004 and Djokovic's any year apart from 2011 and 2015 in the same sentence in terms of dominance. The same goes for 2005,06 and 07. Fed's 2009 also beats Djokovic's 12/13/14. 2 slams (all 4 finals) > 1 slam + WTF.
1000 point here and there mean zilch. Would Djokovic's (and his fans) rather see him win 1 more slam this year or 1 Masters 1000 + WTF. (Heck, 2 MS1000 and WTF). Would you rather see Djokovic win 3 slams this year or 6 MS1000 + WTF??

The part about Fed being No1 without a slam was for 2014, and it's a fact.
Fed's won the Laureus 4 times, but that doesn't mean that much for tennis greatness.

Novak had very strong years, he has a year to counter every Feds year. 2012 was very strong year competition wise.

 

[TommyA8X]

Novak had very strong years, he has a year to counter every Feds year. 2012 was very strong year competition wise.

No he doesn't. 2012 was a pretty strong year, although, Nadal was absent for half of it for ex.

2015 is similar to 2006.
2011 is similar to 2007.

That's were the similarities stop.

2004/05 are miles better than any of the 2012/13/14 of Djokovic.
2009 is "only" better than those years.

No one cares if Djokovic collected more points in 2014 than Federer in 2005. Fed won 2 slams, with 81-4 record.

PS

Fed skipped a bunch of MS1000 in his prime (9 in 2004-06), and the finals were BO 5 at the time. Even some 250/500 tournaments had BO 5 finals.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Due to how weak the current field is today, he's going to need 20+ slams to surpass Pete and Roger.

 

[HashDump]

Due to how weak the current field is today, he's going to need 20+ slams to surpass Pete and Roger.

“I always believe that I have improved over the last 10 years, you know, that I’ve not gone backwards, and I’ve been able to win (the Open) 10 years ago, so I always feel as I move forward I am a more complete player, a better player,” Federer said.
“That’s why I will always believe that I can win, as long as my body is holding up and mentally I’m really hungry travelling the world and playing matches, and that is the case right now – I’m very healthy and training extremely hard." Federer said.
"The match is easy to analyse," said Nadal. "I played against a player who did everything perfectly. I don't know anybody who's ever played tennis like this. Since I know this sport I've never seen somebody playing at this level. So I just congratulate him and that's it. Nadal said.
Weak era argument invalid.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

“I always believe that I have improved over the last 10 years, you know, that I’ve not gone backwards, and I’ve been able to win (the Open) 10 years ago, so I always feel as I move forward I am a more complete player, a better player,” Federer said.
“That’s why I will always believe that I can win, as long as my body is holding up and mentally I’m really hungry travelling the world and playing matches, and that is the case right now – I’m very healthy and training extremely hard." Federer said.
"The match is easy to analyse," said Nadal. "I played against a player who did everything perfectly. I don't know anybody who's ever played tennis like this. Since I know this sport I've never seen somebody playing at this level. So I just congratulate him and that's it. Nadal said.
Weak era argument invalid.

Federer said he improved in 2013 too, yet he ended that year ranked 6th in the world. Nadal's also declined heavily. Both comments seem PR driven anyway.

Weak era valid 'cause a 34 year old Fed is taking sets off peak Djoko at the AO.

 

[HashDump]

Federer said he improved in 2013 too, yet he ended that year ranked 6th in the world. Nadal's also declined heavily. Both comments seem PR driven anyway.

Weak era valid 'cause a 34 year old Fed is taking sets off peak Djoko at the AO.

Michael Joradan 34 years old dominated easily his opponents. You saying that Federer isn't real GOAT cause this is weak era, otherwise he should be at 50-100 placed on atp rankings and Djokovic couldn't dominate like this even if his opponents say that he is playing like no one ever before?
I don't know anybody who's ever played tennis like this. Since I know this sport I've never seen somebody playing at this level.
I don't remember Nadal said this for Federer. Even at his peak 2004-2007 as you clam (Fed fans).
Maybe you should consider to reassess your opinion.
And if he's too old he should retires, why he's still playin'?

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Don't see him overtaking slam count and no of weeks as number 1 .

 

[veroniquem]

Possible:
- more master titles (26-24 right now)
- winning head to head (vs Fed)
- year ends at #1 (he needs 1 more to tie)
- better head to head vs Nadal (lol)
- WTF record (needs 1 more to tie)
- more titles at 1 slam (needs 1 more at AO to tie Fed's 7 at W)
- more different masters won (8 vs 7 for Fed) or all tier 1 won if he wins RG too
- clay sweep (3 masters + RG)
- most consecutive tier 1 finals and tier 1 titles
- most dominant season
- 4 slams in a row (if he wins RG 2016)
- golden career slam (if he wins Olympics 2016 + RG before he retires)
- most slams on hard court (needs 1 more to tie Fed's 9)

Very difficult if not impossible:
- most weeks at #1
- most slam titles overall

Most titles overall is impossible to say because it depends how long he'll want to hang around. Obviously, a player can always add minor titles even when he's not competitive anymore in the big events. No idea if Djoko will ever have any interest in padding his resume that way.

 

[MichaelNadal]

All of them, everything. We all need to accept Djokovic is the end-all be-all of tennis.

 

[Sentinel]

All of them, everything. We all need to accept Djokovic is the end-all be-all of tennis.

/end thread

that was the be all and end all of all poasts and all tennis related discussions, MN !

 

[MichaelNadal]

/end thread

that was the be all and end all of all poasts and all tennis related discussions, MN !

Lol idk about you but I'm being serious. It's a reynolds wrap on the slam record. Ultron is somehow in better shape than ever and everyone else besides him is in freefall besides Raonic (as if that matters).

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

All of them, everything. We all need to accept Djokovic is the end-all be-all of tennis.

Slams count and Number of weeks as number 1 are quite tough, don't see Novak getting them but he can overtake Fed in other categories.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Lol idk about you but I'm being serious. It's a reynolds wrap on the slam record. Ultron is somehow in better shape than ever and everyone else besides him is in freefall besides Raonic (as if that matters).

"A reynolds wrap"?! Haha, I love these crazy expressions you Yanks come out with at times!

 

[MichaelNadal]

Slams count and Number of weeks as number 1 are quite tough, don't see Novak getting them but he can overtake Fed in other categories.

All he needs is 2 more years at #1 and 6 slams (he's won 3 just in the last 7 months), dude isn't going anywhere ANY time soon and who should he be losing to? Who should even be taking sets from him? Tsonga and Dolgo? Might as well get used to the idea now imo.

 

[mavsman149]

Only categories that matter are hard court slams, no of slams and weeks at no1.

Why don't natural surfaces matter? Nole can't conceivably catch up on grass, I'd say he's already been better on clay but he really needs a RG to solidify that belief.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Why don't natural surfaces matter? Nole can't conceivably catch up on grass, I'd say he's already been better on clay but he really needs a RG to solidify that belief.

Only Category Novak can catch Fed is one I mentioned. Natural surfaces matter equally, although I wouldn't care 1 bit about clay once Novak wins it, but Novak is not going to challenge Rog on Grass. He will and should overtake on hard courts though.

Masters, WTF are all great records to have but not worth same.

 

[mavsman149]

Dominance at 2 majors far triumphs dominance at 1 major. Or for that matter dominance at 3 is even better.

I'd agree, but I think Djokovic has a pretty solid shot to get to 8 Australian and 5 Wimbledon which would be better than 7 Wimbledon and 5 USO (assuming Fed doesn't add).