Insight Appreciated: Pros & Cons of repeating 8th grade for development?

cgardner

New User
We have a rising ninth grader who is just under a 9 UTR. At the eleventh hour, it was suggested that we "reclass" and are wondering what the pros and cons might be.

He's mature and fully prepared academically to enter high school but for tennis purposes, we're wondering if this is a good call. My biggest concern is he's already one of the older kids in his grade and would turn 19 in October of his senior year and then be unable to compete in USTA junior events.

Does that matter? When do college coaches review players? E.g. if he can't play USTA in his senior year of high school, do they check UTR tournaments, ITFs, etc?

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
Not being able to play USTA his senior year would not matter, provided he's getting appropriate-level competition elsewhere (UTR, Futures, etc). Recruiting starts in June after sophomore year.

What is the goal with keeping him back a year vis a vis tennis, though? If he's currently a 9, it's unlikely (though not impossible) that an extra year is suddenly going to open up doors at all the top tennis programs. It's also probably not going to be a game-changer in terms of scholarship money. What are you being told is the potential outcome if you re-class? Does it seem reasonable?

Provided you have realistic expectations, then I'd say if he really wants to do it, sure why not. But if you're going into this thinking it's the difference between D2 & Florida, well, you'll be disappointed.

I know a kid who re-classed, but he was an 11.5 UTR when he was your son's age. He also had a school situation where classes had kids from different grades, so his reclassification had no real impact socially. And by his junior year he was doing online-only bc of tennis travel, so the social aspect was a non-issue anyway.
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
FYI: If he turns 19 in a certain calendar year, he cannot play junior ITFs beginning with January 1 of that year, even though he is still 18 on January 1.
 

jimmy8

Legend
Don't do it. Socially might be very detrimental. Academic boredom leads to many bad things. 9 UTR is already plenty developed at his age. You said he's rising so what's the problem? Why would you hold him back for tennis? I think all the gaming the system you see in USTA affects people in ways they don't realize.
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
We have a rising ninth grader who is just under a 9 UTR. At the eleventh hour, it was suggested that we "reclass" and are wondering what the pros and cons might be.

He's mature and fully prepared academically to enter high school but for tennis purposes, we're wondering if this is a good call. My biggest concern is he's already one of the older kids in his grade and would turn 19 in October of his senior year and then be unable to compete in USTA junior events.

Does that matter? When do college coaches review players? E.g. if he can't play USTA in his senior year of high school, do they check UTR tournaments, ITFs, etc?

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
How long has your son been playing tennis? Is he small for his age? Do you live in an area with a variety of tennis playing opportunities outside USTA juniors?

There was a local player who also had an October bday who repeated 8th grade-ended up playing line 6 for a top 16 D1 team. I dont know if he could have gotten there without the extra year. In retrospect, I wish we had considered this option for my son. Going into 8th grade, he was a 3 star and we werent even thinking about college tennis. Our goal was for him to make the varsity HS tennis team as a freshman which was very hard to do. However, my son improved his tennis to 4 star as a still scrawny 5'5 115 lb freshman. However between his junior year and summer after his senior year he grew to 6'2 and 170lbs. Unfortunately scholarship decisions are often made between May of junior year and Sept of senior year. Between when he accepted a midmajor offer in Sept of his sr year and August before his freshman year his USTA ranking jumped from 150 to 50 and his UTR jumped to 13 (equiv to 12.5ish on today's algorithm) If he had had another year in HS, he probably would have had better P5 offers; he had some interest entering sr year but very low $$ offers. Now he had a great experience playing MMs and still got to play some P5s each year so we have no regrets but you should definitely explore the option

Now your son is a 9. With all the growth and improvement in tennis my son made from end of freshman year to spring of senior year, his UTR went up 2.75-less than 1 UTR a year. With optimal training and competition, maybe your son could reach a 12 by start of his senior year if he repeats a grade. He probably could get a great package of academic and athletic scholarship at a D1 MM, I dont think he could make it to P5 level unless it was one of the mid to lower Big 10s-one of the P5s ranked outside the ITA top 40.

Skipping a year of USTA is not a big deal. It is actually better prep for college to start playing some adult events at 16-18yo-local prize $, UTR college circuits, etc. Once a player gets to college, he/she could be playing opponents 4-6 years older-might as well play some tourneys in HS that include high level juniors, collegians, post grads, etc. My son also started hitting with some international college players who were local when he was 15.

Colleges can make verbal offers junior year. Most of the scholarship $ going to US juniors is allocated by early fall of sr year. Now coaches may hold back some $$ for transfers or international students who commit later. If your son gets to 11-12 UTR level when he turns 19 while still in HS, he could get in Future Qualis as an alternate. There are also round robin UTR PTT Tour tourneys geared towards 12.5+ but sometimes have players in the 11.5+ range. Those tourneys only cost $40, and if you get in and play all your matches, you earn at least $400 up to $3000. Some top juniors have started playing them instead of USTA nationals and Jr ITFs. Outside of Kzoo hardcourts, my son hated playing USTA events-the draws were too large at the top events. He much preferred the UTR and adults events from 17 on. He played the minimum USTA events he could and still qualify for Kzoo.

if you go this route, I would recommend homeschooling for the one year. It might be socially awkward for him to return to 8th grade. Then when he goes to 9th grade, he can take higher level English or Math-possibly some dual enrollment classes or be better prepared for APs. Find a top ranked online homeschool program-dont just choose a state program. You will only be paying for it for a year. Also does your high school offer a hybrid schedule. In our state, students can take 4 classes on campus and leave at lunch with 2 courses online. Son and many of his HS tennis teammates did that

If your son doesnt want to repeat 8th grade, he could take a gap 6 months and still keep 4 years of college eligibility. He could train hard and play more adult events like Future Qualis and prize $ to be ready for college. However, that would only work if he was an extrovert. There are so many freshmen orientation events that help students make new friends, it could be hard for an introvert to make friends outside team coming in January. That said, D1 athletics consumes 30+ hours/wk even at MMs so the only people athletes tend to meet are other athletes, students on their hall, and in their classes. Since athletes register early, they tend to be in gen ed classes with other athletes or choose to do group projects with other athletes.
 

JW10S

Hall of Fame
I'm not sure I understand. Junior tennis is based on age, 12&U, 14&U, 16&U, 18&U, and not on what grade you are in so I can't see how staying back a grade would be any advantage. His age won't change by staying back. College coaches weigh junior rankings and results far more than high school results as many good juniors are home or internet schooled and don't even play regular high school tennis. Maybe someone can explain to me like I'm 2 years old how this would be of any benefit to the kid.
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
I'm not sure I understand. Junior tennis is based on age, 12&U, 14&U, 16&U, 18&U, and not on what grade you are in so I can't see how staying back a grade would make a difference. His age won't change by staying back. College coaches weigh junior rankings and results far more than high school results as many good juniors are home or internet schooled and don't even play high school tennis. Maybe someone can explain to me like I'm 2 years old how this would be of any benefit to the kid.
If a player repeats 8th grade, they have one more year of experience before playing college tennis. You can only attend 4 years of HS but you can attend 8th grade twice. Many top juniors are playing adult events either Futures, prize $$, UTR events or UTR PTT tour at 16-18 so college coaches have plenty results to review. Many kids who graduate with their class still are not eligible for jr iTF events spring of their senior year if they turn 18 in the fall. The advantage of juniors playing college circuits, Futures, or UTR PTT events is that coaches can see how those juniors play against older college players or pros. At the UTR PTT events held in our metro area, there have been juniors playing committed to or current college players from Michigan, South Carolina, Auburn, etc. Repeating 8th grade could make sense for an athletic player who started sport late, who is small for his age, and who has access to an academically strong homeschool curriculum. Player would not take same classes twice; player would basically be an advanced 8th grade student taking 9th grade level classes. It could benefit the player to have an extra year to get his/her SAT/ACT scores higher to earn more merit aid on top of athletic aid.

Also college coaches make many decisions on top recruits their junior year; even if a player repeated 8th grade, some would still be 18 and playing juniors at the time of recruitment. More coaches look at UTR vs a numerical ranking in U18s. Coaches now have to look at multiple ranking systems since neither WTN or UTR includes all results.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
I'm not sure I understand. Junior tennis is based on age, 12&U, 14&U, 16&U, 18&U, and not on what grade you are in so I can't see how staying back a grade would be any advantage. His age won't change by staying back. College coaches weigh junior rankings and results far more than high school results as many good juniors are home or internet schooled and don't even play regular high school tennis. Maybe someone can explain to me like I'm 2 years old how this would be of any benefit to the kid.

Legally change name at age 17, fake birth certificate, move to new school, sign up for 12&U tournament.
 

JW10S

Hall of Fame
If a player repeats 8th grade, they have one more year of experience before playing college tennis. You can only attend 4 years of HS but you can attend 8th grade twice. Many top juniors are playing adult events either Futures, prize $$, UTR events or UTR PTT tour at 16-18 so college coaches have plenty results to review. Many kids who graduate with their class still are not eligible for jr iTF events spring of their senior year if they turn 18 in the fall. The advantage of juniors playing college circuits, Futures, or UTR PTT events is that coaches can see how those juniors play against older college players or pros. At the UTR PTT events held in our metro area, there have been juniors playing committed to or current college players from Michigan, South Carolina, Auburn, etc. Repeating 8th grade could make sense for an athletic player who started sport late, who is small for his age, and who has access to an academically strong homeschool curriculum. Player would not take same classes twice; player would basically be an advanced 8th grade student taking 9th grade level classes. It could benefit the player to have an extra year to get his/her SAT/ACT scores higher to earn more merit aid on top of athletic aid.

Also college coaches make many decisions on top recruits their junior year; even if a player repeated 8th grade, some would still be 18 and playing juniors at the time of recruitment. More coaches look at UTR vs a numerical ranking in U18s. Coaches now have to look at multiple ranking systems since neither WTN or UTR includes all results.
Thank you. I still think the cons outweigh the pros. I was 17 when I graduated high school and was still 17 when I entered college. An extra year before college might have helped me tennis-wise but I still wouldn't have done it just for tennis. Also, I know a boy and a girl (not related) who took a gap year after high school and trained and played ITF tournaments full time for the year and then went on to play college tennis. Seems more reasonable than staying back 4 years early.
 
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socallefty

G.O.A.T.
All the good juniors I know are home schooled by high school - no time for academics when your parents’ retirement plan is for you to become a top pro!

It is a troll answer to what I’m guessing is a troll post. I hope the OP is not serious for the sake of his kid.
 

chic

Hall of Fame
Waiting till 8th grade is pretty late for the times I've seen this (which is not many, I'm outside of the highly competitive bubble in most cases).

Fwiw those who are on the older end of there peer group tend to do better academically, from the studies I've seen.
Does he already have friends in the grade below?
This could be a route to an academic scholarship in addition to whatever tennis funding he picks up
 

LiamMiguel

Semi-Pro
Not sure if I missed it but why not take a gap year after graduating high school? I’ve seen more than a few people do that and improved substantially.
 

chic

Hall of Fame
Not sure if I missed it but why not take a gap year after graduating high school? I’ve seen more than a few people do that and improved substantially.
There are rules about delayed enrollment for D1 (and I think D2) athletes.

I think once the kid begins high school is when the rules get a lot stricter, motivation of this post.
 
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andfor

Legend
I believe there are rules around how long it takes to finish HS, starting with the 8th grade year. I'd recommend knowing those before holding a child back if college athletics is a goal.

With college tennis, a HS graduate can delay starting college until the 2nd semester. But if they play tennis between HS graduation and the don't start of school the following second semester they will lose the entire year of eligibility. There may be an exception to losing any eligibility if they do not play organized tennis competition.

Again, look up the NCAA, NAIA and NJCAA rules before making any of these decisions, talk to a college coach or athletic department compliance officer or someone with knowledge who can guide you. I've dug the rules up and posted links to them many times before on this forum, it takes some time which I don't have right now, nor do I have the energy. Good luck
 
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cgardner

New User
How long has your son been playing tennis? Is he small for his age? Do you live in an area with a variety of tennis playing opportunities outside USTA juniors?

There was a local player who also had an October bday who repeated 8th grade-ended up playing line 6 for a top 16 D1 team. I dont know if he could have gotten there without the extra year. In retrospect, I wish we had considered this option for my son. Going into 8th grade, he was a 3 star and we werent even thinking about college tennis. Our goal was for him to make the varsity HS tennis team as a freshman which was very hard to do. However, my son improved his tennis to 4 star as a still scrawny 5'5 115 lb freshman. However between his junior year and summer after his senior year he grew to 6'2 and 170lbs. Unfortunately scholarship decisions are often made between May of junior year and Sept of senior year. Between when he accepted a midmajor offer in Sept of his sr year and August before his freshman year his USTA ranking jumped from 150 to 50 and his UTR jumped to 13 (equiv to 12.5ish on today's algorithm) If he had had another year in HS, he probably would have had better P5 offers; he had some interest entering sr year but very low $$ offers. Now he had a great experience playing MMs and still got to play some P5s each year so we have no regrets but you should definitely explore the option

Now your son is a 9. With all the growth and improvement in tennis my son made from end of freshman year to spring of senior year, his UTR went up 2.75-less than 1 UTR a year. With optimal training and competition, maybe your son could reach a 12 by start of his senior year if he repeats a grade. He probably could get a great package of academic and athletic scholarship at a D1 MM, I dont think he could make it to P5 level unless it was one of the mid to lower Big 10s-one of the P5s ranked outside the ITA top 40.

Skipping a year of USTA is not a big deal. It is actually better prep for college to start playing some adult events at 16-18yo-local prize $, UTR college circuits, etc. Once a player gets to college, he/she could be playing opponents 4-6 years older-might as well play some tourneys in HS that include high level juniors, collegians, post grads, etc. My son also started hitting with some international college players who were local when he was 15.

Colleges can make verbal offers junior year. Most of the scholarship $ going to US juniors is allocated by early fall of sr year. Now coaches may hold back some $$ for transfers or international students who commit later. If your son gets to 11-12 UTR level when he turns 19 while still in HS, he could get in Future Qualis as an alternate. There are also round robin UTR PTT Tour tourneys geared towards 12.5+ but sometimes have players in the 11.5+ range. Those tourneys only cost $40, and if you get in and play all your matches, you earn at least $400 up to $3000. Some top juniors have started playing them instead of USTA nationals and Jr ITFs. Outside of Kzoo hardcourts, my son hated playing USTA events-the draws were too large at the top events. He much preferred the UTR and adults events from 17 on. He played the minimum USTA events he could and still qualify for Kzoo.

if you go this route, I would recommend homeschooling for the one year. It might be socially awkward for him to return to 8th grade. Then when he goes to 9th grade, he can take higher level English or Math-possibly some dual enrollment classes or be better prepared for APs. Find a top ranked online homeschool program-dont just choose a state program. You will only be paying for it for a year. Also does your high school offer a hybrid schedule. In our state, students can take 4 classes on campus and leave at lunch with 2 courses online. Son and many of his HS tennis teammates did that

If your son doesnt want to repeat 8th grade, he could take a gap 6 months and still keep 4 years of college eligibility. He could train hard and play more adult events like Future Qualis and prize $ to be ready for college. However, that would only work if he was an extrovert. There are so many freshmen orientation events that help students make new friends, it could be hard for an introvert to make friends outside team coming in January. That said, D1 athletics consumes 30+ hours/wk even at MMs so the only people athletes tend to meet are other athletes, students on their hall, and in their classes. Since athletes register early, they tend to be in gen ed classes with other athletes or choose to do group projects with other athletes.
Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply.

To clarify, he's been playing tennis for five years, the past three homeschooled so he can focus on tennis which he absolutely loves. He is small for his age yet there is size in the family so maybe a late bloomer (maybe not). He's insanely extroverted/mature for his age and has friends, ages 12-18 (as a function of having an older and younger brother), with whom he plays tennis, surfs, mountain bikes, and golfs, so not concerned about the "friends" argument that seems to be prevalent on this thread.

We have zero misconceptions of P5, or even mid major, but the thought is that with an extra year to grow both physically and on the court, it likely cannot hurt to open up a few more collegiate opportunities.

Finally, after a conversation with the homeschool academy, if he repeats 8th grade, all his courses but one will be 9th grade level. In 9th grade, he'll do 10th grade work, and so on. By the end of his junior year he would have completed all his high school coursework with the exception of 1-2 classes which would allow him to travel to play various tournaments. Too early to tell what that looks like but that would be the plan.

Again, thanks much. You've been very helpful.
 

Fabresque

Legend
Please, no. Don’t do this to him. I see basketball players do this crap all the time for no reason. Just to hopefully get better offers.

He’s already developed enough, don’t ruin his social life and his self confidence by holding him back a grade.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I know someone who was “homeschooled” in 7th grade, but then ended up repeating 7th grade, effectively making him a year older than his peers.

His parents did it to give him a better chance to excel at high school basketball.
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply.

To clarify, he's been playing tennis for five years, the past three homeschooled so he can focus on tennis which he absolutely loves. He is small for his age yet there is size in the family so maybe a late bloomer (maybe not). He's insanely extroverted/mature for his age and has friends, ages 12-18 (as a function of having an older and younger brother), with whom he plays tennis, surfs, mountain bikes, and golfs, so not concerned about the "friends" argument that seems to be prevalent on this thread.

We have zero misconceptions of P5, or even mid major, but the thought is that with an extra year to grow both physically and on the court, it likely cannot hurt to open up a few more collegiate opportunities.

Finally, after a conversation with the homeschool academy, if he repeats 8th grade, all his courses but one will be 9th grade level. In 9th grade, he'll do 10th grade work, and so on. By the end of his junior year he would have completed all his high school coursework with the exception of 1-2 classes which would allow him to travel to play various tournaments. Too early to tell what that looks like but that would be the plan.

Again, thanks much. You've been very helpful.
Sounds like your son would be an ideal candidate if your family chooses that option-already homeschooled, older and younger friends, extroverted. There is no one path to college tennis-there are more typical paths but I've seen some players who took the road less traveled and still found their way to college tennis. I am glad to see your son still enjoys multiple sports. JJ Wolf who played for OSU and now is ATP top 50 played soccer and tennis until age 15 or 16. If your son continues to love other sports as well as tennis as he ages, P5 D1 might not be the best choice even if he reached that level. Some teams have rules like no pick up basketball in season. My son played bball, mountain biked, and occasionally snowboarded while in college-that probably would have been an issue at a P5. MM D1 seemed to be more flexible....

Too many posters have focused on age. Age is irrelevant in tennis if a player is mature and a good sport. Ages 13-18 play jr ITFs. When my son was in HS, he loved to play with college players in the summer. When he was a grad student with a freshman doubles partner, he found it refreshing to see college life through the eyes of a young kid in the US for the 1st time; it was a break from taking grad courses with 25-40+ year olds. In our metro area, in the top dubs rec leagues (AA-1 similar to 5.0 or 5.5), some fathers and sons played together, there were 17 yos to late 50s with many post college players in 20s.

As long as your son continues to love tennis, is improving, and still has some time for non tennis friends and other activities he loves, he has found the best path whether he repeats 8th grade or not! Also wonderful that you have no expectations for college yet-we were the same; we just want to support our son in the activity he loved. We didnt seriously consider his playing tennis in college until he was 16. Tennis in itself is so good for teaching discipline, strategy, and self-control. Our son played HS too to have the team spirit sense of belonging. However, close homeschooled friends in an academy that travel together can have a similar bond.

If you have other questions, feel free to message me.
 
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