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Oooof.... I can finally understand traveljam's quest...
That was harsh... here @travlerajm feel free to flame my WTA forehand
Oooof.... I can finally understand traveljam's quest...
We don’t need no water let that awful FH burn,
would love to see the new one!The vid in post #46 posted by @Shroud shows my old fh and no longer that relevant. I rebuilt it from scratch during the lockdown. The current fh is in post #22 above, and is quite a different technique that I switched to in May 2020 and much better - it lets me play 5.0 baseline level on hardcourt, but fails on clay - sorry I don’t have any other footage.
Lots of posters here have seen the old version in person, only two so far have seen the new and improved one.
That was actually 4 FH, including the feed.
I see you are hitting with @rkelley !
Luckily, my wheels are still the strength of my game.I had a meniscus tear in May. Took immediately the arthroscopic surgery and had to spend 2 months of rehab. Imagine i am an athletic built 45 yr old with no other myoskeletal issues. I decided at that period to address many of the physio related imbalances i knew i had and also take advantage of the rehab time to undergo a strengthening of the legs program. Despite having gone down the rabbit hole of perpetual specs tweaking etc (i ended up using at the same time 5-6 racquets jn my bag for different ambient conditions/ court type ) i took this off my mind as i could not use a racquet. 2 months later i hit the courts.... first session and i felt totally different. Now 6 months later i maintained a certain weekly regime of both court time and physio and currently play best tennis of my life. And I do that because I am most of the time correctly prepared (at the right place in court and in time) to make the shot and that is because I have the legs required to support the legwork/footwork needed in doing so. This is at least what has worked for me and only my 2 cents.
Reach early the place you want to be on court, and everything else will follow....
So yesterday I was matched up against young 5.0 teaching pro. His game is built around solid clay-court style forehand with semi-western grip. He’s especially good at balls in high strike zone around head level, and likes to dictate corner to corner with heavy balls. I’d already lost to him twice already in past two weeks. He plays style that I match up well against on hard court, but he has improved his consistency of his forehand weapon, and on clay I was finding my forehand handicap too much to overcome last week.
In warm-up, testing out my my new lag-lock style fh technique, I was a bit of a mess on mini. He’s offering advice. “mas topspin” ( one of the few English words he knows). Even motioning me to net to explain how I should be dropping racquet head lower below ball.
In baseline warm-up, I was spraying a few long. He’s still telling me to swing up more. But after a dozen balls or so (I’m running around a few bh to hit more fh practice), my fh starts to click a bit. I think I surprise him by suddenly stepping up the heaviness of my fh and blasting a few. Warm-up serves feel ok. The spec with lighter handle mass makes it easier to hit heavy spin serves with good explosive bounce.
We start match, and I feel immediately that my fh is already a step improved. I can do more with it. I even nail nice pass DTL on second ball. He holds to open... I bounce back and get up 2-1. But I’m not fully comfortable with fh yet, and my bh is also clearly not tuned as well as usual, so I can’t take risks with.
I get down 3-2. My instincts tell me I need a little more mass in hoop. I add a gram of gorilla at 11-and-2 spot on changeover. It messes up my serve, and I go down 4-2.
But then something amazing happened. First, the extra gram at tip fixed my 2hb issues. Now I could really hit heavy and accurate with my 2hb. And now the extra mass cleaned up the feel on my fh. I was still not fully confident, but I could take heavy low risk cuts high above net, and the heaviness of my fh was giving him trouble.
To be continued...
Update:
Yesterday, I decided to tweak spec of my shortened UT to a spec that would promote a different fh technique with lag lock. I stripped off some gorilla weight from above the top of the handle to get to 20.6 mgr/I. Felt ok using lag on shadow swings in my room.
I kept my other UT, which is still at std length, setup up at 20.8 mgr/i close to my usual spec that promotes fixed wrist fh with control (which as explained above, works great for me on hard court, as demonstrated in post #22, but fails miserably for me on clay).
Got to courts early and did some wall tuning. I ended up stripping some more weight from top of handle to get my full lag-lock fh feeling comfortable on wall (smith court cement surface at wall). Mgr/I probably down to 20.4 or so.
To be continued (remarkable story)...
Well... I think I will try to stick with this new racquet paradigm (and new technique paradigm forced by it) for a while and see how it goes.Heavy racquet + ATP FH ftw!
Make sure u check your dampener--is it rated for south of the Equator?--it's the details that will kill u.Update:
Tuesday’s match against ex-pro rained out.
Played again yesterday with the lag-lock promoting spec, again against the same 5.0 pro as Monday.
After measuring the racquet in my room, I was surprised to find that mgr/I was actually about 20.7.
361g 33cm 362sw
This is roughly same spec I used for a few months on the red clay in 2019, so maybe that’s why I was able to play at decent level with it.
Yesterday, in warmup, I focused on finding the lagged wrist position in advance in the takeback (like Djokovic and Moya). I felt pretty good in warmup. Blasting pretty big balls and keeping most of them in.
But then match starts. It’s tougher conditions. 5pm start in the sun. 85F. Humid. I played strong opening game to break, but then I sort of fell off the rails. It felt like I was spraying a lot of balls long. And when I tried to go back to my old chip fh return, it wasn’t there - the new spec seemed to pop these too high and I kept missing these long (normally I go a whole set without missing a single fh return when I use the the chip strategy). I dropped the first set 6-1 in a flurry of dumb risky misses, usually missing long. I think sometimes I wasn’t fully finding the lag lock. I also still felt sloppy at net again.
But then we start the second set, and my fh started to click. I discovered that I could take a full cut on second serve return and take control of the point with the heaviness of my ball. I played to safer targets. I got on roll and won second set 6-0. I just overpowered him. My weight of shot on my forehand was clearly a lot heavier than I’m used to hitting, and on the bad bounce clay this was a huge weapon.
So this was a mixed bag day.
Weird thing... my instincts tell me I need more mass in the head. If I’m going to compromise my usual crisp slice and dice control game to embrace the heavy ball claycourt baseline game, I need to go all in. I might experiment with some setups with sw up in the 370s and 380s.
You can laugh... but when you are blessed with 3.5 fh talent like me, your only chance to win when competing against 5.0+ players is to find advantages in the details. It doesn’t always work, but sometimes it does!Make sure u check your dampener--is it rated for south of the Equator?--it's the details that will kill u.
In both versions your elbow is very close to you your torso. Some space there and the old pat the dog in shadow swings might help a lot.The vid in post #46 posted by @Shroud shows my old fh and no longer that relevant. I rebuilt it from scratch during the lockdown. The current fh is in post #22 above, and is quite a different technique that I switched to in May 2020 and much better - it lets me play 5.0 baseline level on hardcourt, but fails on clay - sorry I don’t have any other footage.
Lots of posters here have seen the old version in person, only two so far have seen the new and improved one.
They cheat you. You don't want to add anything to your SW of 362 if heaviness is your priority. You actually could drop to 350 or lower, particularly taking into account long misses.my instincts tell me I need more mass in the head.
But you misunderstand the goal... the goal is not to beat lowly 5.0s... the goal is to level-hop to beat players above my level who have trained technique since they were 6 years old. I have no chance against them with my untrained fh at 350sw... but at 380? Maybe?They cheat you. You don't want to add anything to your SW of 362 if heaviness is your priority. You actually could drop to 350 or lower, particularly taking into account long misses.
But that vid is not me. It’s some random ex-ATP pro from San Diego I think.Compare your strokes one above the other & single frame in this post. To single frame on Youtube use the period & comma keys. Always select the video using alt key + left mouse click, otherwise the video starts playing. You can go to full screen and come back down and the video stays on the same frame. To use Vimeo, single frame by holding down the SHIFT KEY and using the ARROW KEYS. Compare similar impacts regarding impact height and pace, avoid pressure shots, avoid low intensity practice shots. List all stroke technique differences. Record the time scale of the impacts, example, 'backhand at 4:32', to identify the particular stroke clips being compared.
Justine Henin APAS display.
For the Justine Henin APAS video, notice especially the separation angle between the pelvis line (a line between the two hips) and the line between the two shoulders. The rib cage appears to move with the shoulders line.
Warning - The APAS video shows the lines between the two shoulders and the two hips move independently and involve twisting of the spine and trunk, a major power source. Twisting may be too stressful for some spines and trunks, take care and also limit your range of motion.
But that vid is not me. It’s some random ex-ATP pro from San Diego I think.
(the hidden agenda is to get forum posters to use and post video comparisons)
But that vid is not me. It’s some random ex-ATP pro from San Diego I think.
What do you mean hidden???
If I were you, I'd be looking at ATP bent elbow forehands to see if any have their upper arms on the side of their chests. It's time to face your problem.
Please keep track of the percentages.
what? If I knew that I never would have started my chicken wing thread!!I put up my video for mocking purposes. So... thank you!
what? If I knew that I never would have started my chicken wing thread!!
But is a chicken wing really a problem if it lets you do this:Your thread raised everyone's awareness to a problem that people like me have been in denial about for FAR TOO LONG!!!
Only if your stick is light enough!But is a chicken wing really a problem if it lets you do this: