JUSTINE vs. ROGER....

Wuornos

Professional
dont know if this is the match you were referencing but connors beat navratilova covering the doubles courts in two sets. the first was close, the second, he dominated her.

on a serious note, I am of the view that fed would dominate justine, because he hits stronger balls and is faster and would be able to counter anything she brought on. However, I can discuss this without being sexist. Marpiw, I'm sorry for the people who can't do this. there is alot of needlessly sexist posting in this thread, and I think its a shame, because when someone follows a point with sexist dribble, in my mind, they lose their credibility. you can make an intelligent point without saying "women suck at sports compared to men" (which is untrue; if you took a man and a woman and made them compete against each other, the man may win, but if you look at them statistically within their own realms, its a different story [i.e. pete sampras' 14 majors, steffi's however many), or "now go make my dinner" (which is blatantly sexist).

Thanks for the first point. this may be what I was thinking about. My memory is not what it was ! :)

Tim
 

Mister G

Rookie
Though some of the fellas here have made unnecessary sexist comments (which probably doesn't help this whole "macho" attitude that you complain about) you cant be serious if you think that Justine would give Roger a tough time on court.

Are you seriously serious? Seriously?

Come on now. Let's get with the program already. Roger would win no doubt, by quite a margin. I would bet my left nut on it. You are probably shaking your head by now because of my "chauvinism" (I assure you it is not) but think of it as the womans equivalent to losing a breast. Seriously now...Thats not to say Justine wont hit some amazing shots, but we are talking about Roger here. He toys with many of the top men... Team Justine up with me, and you have a good arguement there, yeah, she'll probably wipe my *** all over the court, but you cant be seriously serious? :confused:
 
from the Capetown Dispatch, 1/28/98

From the Capetown Dispatch, 1/28/98

"....It all started a few days ago when the Williams sisters wandered into the ATP tour office at the Australian Open and BOLDLY CLAMIED ("girly-macho"?) that THEY COULD BEAT ANY OF THE MEN RANKED 200 OR ABOVE. The bespectacled Braasch, a German who had sunk in the rankings happened to be in the office and took up the challenge.

Venus was still in the tournament at the timie so a match was set between Serena and Braasch for Sunday. Rain postponed that until yesterday and with the sun shining, Serena and Braasch showed up ready to defend the honour of their sexes.

At least that's how Serena saw it. For Braasch, it was a joke. He never even considered the possibility he might be ridiculed by the other men players if he lost.

"Everyone KNEW that there's no chance for them" he said. "They were talking to me, that I should go out and beat them by as much as possible. They said make it '24 points' and go off the court."

He played, he said, for fun, "because tennis doesn't have to be serious, especically when you are out of the tournament." Braasch lost last week in the 1st round of the singles and the doubles.

Serena fell 6-1, Venus 6-2. They played as intensely as they could, while Braasch performed with gentlemenly restraint. "It was extremely hard" said Serena. "I didn't know it would be this hard. I hit shots tht would have been winners on the women's tour and he got to them easily."

Afterwards, Venus claimed "I can beat men in the 300's and up."

Braasch smiled at their claims. "Against anyone in the top 500, no chance" Braasch said, "because I was playing like 600 today."

Braasch, a left-handed junk ball expert with a convoluted service motion, easily won the first five games against Serena. He ran her dizzy all over the court, taking pace off the ball and instead, showing her a befuddling assortment of spins.

NICK BOOKETTIERI, SERENA'S 'UNOFFICIAL' COACH NOTED AT COURSIDE: "HE COULD HAVE HIT HARDER IF HE WANTED, TAKEN HER OUT OF POINTS SOONER, BUT, HE'S BEING KIND TO HER." As Braasch breezed to a 5-0 lead against Serena, Venus' competitiveness got the better of her. "Maybe I should go get dressed" she said to Nick Bollettieri. "What do you think, Nick?"

"Go for it," he answered.

Venus arrived as Braasch netted a backhand after a couple of deuces to give Serena her only game. However at 5-1, Braasch refocused and quickly closed out the set just moments later, ending the set with a pair of aces.

Venus had as little success as Serena when the match got under way. She lost her first service game at love, managed only one point on Braasch's serve and then dropped her next serve.

Braasch then quietly served for a 4-0 lead which at that point, he began to hit serveral careless errors. Perhaps boredom was setting in because Braasch then lost the next game followed by his own serve to 4-2 when Venus cracked a forehand on her 2nd break point.

But then, just as quickly, Braasch then stepped up the pace, completely overpowering Venus on HER serve and as was the case with Serena, closed out the match with an ace.

"I took at least 50 percent off my serve," Braasch said. "I came out with a few hard ones, but not too much because then it's not fun anymore and it was supposed to be fun."



OP: Opinions and "learned" ones at that, do not constitue the "macho" postering that you are claiming is in play here--certainly not on the level that you think exists. Nothing of the kind. Many opinions have stated--using precedent--what ANYBODY who knows tennis will tell you: it would be a 6-0; 6-0 mismatch. I cited in a previous post that Tracy Austin and Chris, both CHAMPIONS, who stated that their respective brothers (ranked in the 500-1000 range) would clobber them.....badly, with Chris I recall, saying that she wouldn't be able to get a game of him her brother John.

6-0; 6-0. Live with it.
 

Rhino

Legend
The end result would be a double bagel. Nobody wants to see such a one sided match but you.

It's funny, almost everyone but Rickson here has avoided the OP's question - would you like to see it?

Everybody's so busy telling us what would happen, but if there actually was a Federer v Henin match scheduled, I would like to see it, and I bet all you suckers would watch it too.
 

ohlori

Rookie
this is so dumb, marpiw is the most obliviouse person in the world....she is complain of lack of evedence......where almost every post have substancial evedence in it. women suck at sport compaired to men professionally, plain and simple if there was no difference physical and abillity wise there would be one tour but there isnt becuase the women would make no mony on a single tour so they have to seperate them. though i would love to see a match between federer and henen it would be a bagle shop

marpiw must be a womens rights or treatment activist so her oppinions are not going to chage




....or shes a manly lesbian gym teach who is strong than most guys....


If you like bagels, you should watch more of the women's tour. That's because there is a lack of depth compared to men's tennis:)

...The problem with these statements however is that some people only read the words "suck" or "lack of depth" and ignore the phrase "compared to men".
There are lots of people who think tennis sucks as a whole. Maybe we should invite them to join tenniswarehouse :p
 

crazylevity

Hall of Fame
It's funny, almost everyone but Rickson here has avoided the OP's question - would you like to see it?

Everybody's so busy telling us what would happen, but if there actually was a Federer v Henin match scheduled, I would like to see it, and I bet all you suckers would watch it too.

I WOULD see it...unfortunately no woman in her right mind would agree to it. Many of the top women have very competent male hitting partners, who are competitive with them even though they're nowhere near the top 200. They know what they're up against.

Henin agreeing to play Yannick Noah for fun, that can happen. (Indeed she did, and lost to Yannick Noah who was clowning around in a bra and tight skirt) Henin playing Federer? Doubt she'd agree. Unless the money was REEEEALLY good.
 

ATPballkid

Professional
Through this posting I am asking all of you if you would like to watch a mixed tournament...men against women or women against men...I would crave to see a match between Justine and Roger...would you also?...
This is simply because I would wish to dissipate some MACHO philosophy that is in the tennis environment and that states that ''men play better than women''...I want to see what happens...

Imagine no WTA weakness
It's easy if you try
No difference in power
Women as good as men
Imagine all the feeble
Actually being able to play...

Imagine no sex difference
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to keep women weaker
And no superiority in the men
Imagine men and women
Playing at the same levels...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no pace and power
I wonder if you can
No athletic superiority
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
 

caesar66

Professional
Imagine no WTA weakness
It's easy if you try
No difference in power
Women as good as men
Imagine all the feeble
Actually being able to play...

Imagine no sex difference
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to keep women weaker
And no superiority in the men
Imagine men and women
Playing at the same levels...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no pace and power
I wonder if you can
No athletic superiority
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

you're either amazingly creative on the fly, or you have waaaaaaay too much time on your hands.
 
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