Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
Man that's a fast serve without that much effort.
Teach me.
Teach me.
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megamind
Legend
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
Are you going to sell t-shirts for this year's tour?
MaxTennis
Professional
I don't mean to brag, but I can do a "very nice!" impersonation of Borat.
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LOL @Slowtwitcher and just about everyone else crushes me. I am no match for you guys. Only area I have improved in is being able to hang in there for about a half an hour at a time with better guys.
Last Saturday, I won two sets of doubles. But 2 of the 4 players were old farts.
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
LOL. How do you dare take advantage of people living in retirement homes to pad your lega.s.s.y? You are starting to look like Djokovic taking advantage of Fed in all those Wimbledon finals.
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Well, one of the regulars (who I did not play on Saturday) is currently in hospital after an angina attack and is supposed to undergo triple bypass surgery. Scary. Till last week, he was serving great and winning, and this week ....
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
I hope he recovers soon. Will you catch him fresh off the ER for a pay per view event?
MaxTennis
Professional
I'd pay money to hit some balls with Kournikova and... never mind.
megamind
Legend
a win is a win
Rubens
Hall of Fame
@MaxTennis , this is probably the equivalent of an elevator music composer giving advice to Mozart, but what the heck, I'll shoot.
It seems that after the trophy pose, as you start pushing from the ground, you lower your right elbow a bit, which kind of negates the perfect elbow position you had at trophy. This may be from lack of shoulder flexibility, or just a bad habit? I guess it's one thing you could fix to bring your serve from 120 to 125.
It seems that after the trophy pose, as you start pushing from the ground, you lower your right elbow a bit, which kind of negates the perfect elbow position you had at trophy. This may be from lack of shoulder flexibility, or just a bad habit? I guess it's one thing you could fix to bring your serve from 120 to 125.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
I don’t see that happening at all.
Rubens
Hall of Fame
Could just be the camera angle. Only Max knows.
MaxTennis
Professional
Thanks for the tip! My right shoulder is not very flexible for whatever reason. I'll look into that and see if I can squeeze out some extra MPH out of it.
Rubens
Hall of Fame
This is what I mean:
Perfect elbow position at trophy:
Then, a fraction of a second later, elbow looks lower?
Anyway, **** it, I'm probably just seeing things.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
That’s not elbow dipping. That’s when the throw starts and elbow starts moving TO THE RIGHT, not going down.This is what I mean:
Perfect elbow position at trophy:
Then, a fraction of a second later, elbow looks lower?
Anyway, **** it, I'm probably just seeing things.
In most pro serves you’ll see more shoulder over shoulder cartwheeling action and with the start of the throw the elbow starts going up whereas Max does a fast uncoil at vertical axis like more left to right instead of low to high rotation. That’s why his elbow starts moving to the right instead of upwards. But again that’s not elbow dipping.
Rubens
Hall of Fame
Yea ok it's whatever you call it that most pros don't do but that he does. I think he would gain from adjusting that , and he's good enough to emulate the pros in that aspect.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
This is what I mean:
Perfect elbow position at trophy:
Then, a fraction of a second later, elbow looks lower?
Anyway, **** it, I'm probably just seeing things.
Well done. Very astute observation.
J
I took the trouble because I'm tired of these repeated claims that have no resemblance to reality whatsoever.
Rubens
Hall of Fame
I took the trouble because I'm tired of these repeated claims that have no resemblance to reality whatsoever.
Exactly. And it could be a shoulder flexibility issue. But if it's not, why not fix it and see what it gains.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Apologies guys. I was solely focusing on the movement of the elbow and missed another thing: yes he doesn’t maintain the shoulder-shoulder-elbow line which should be kept straight ideally. Now is he dropping the elbow or dropping the left shoulder too fast to break that straight line, that’s not very clear.
Rubens
Hall of Fame
It's clear to most of us here, with normal eyesight. In the right picture the elbow is clearly anatomically lower than the imaginary line going through his shoulders. Not even close. Heck, it's about at the level of an imaginary line going through his middle ribs. And no, he's not dropping his left shoulder too fast at all. Omg. *facepalm*
Slowtwitcher
Legend
Didn't Roddick drop his elbow after trophy?
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Ok test your normal eyesight again and see if he ever gets the elbow-shoulder-shoulder line straight then. Maybe he’s not dipping the elbow, his elbow is always lower than the shoulders line!
Please watch the serves from the ad court. 0.25x speed and go frame by frame.
Rubens
Hall of Fame
No. Can you find a video that shows this?
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Excellent power position. Never has the elbow below the imaginary line connecting shoulders though.
Slowtwitcher
Legend
Pretty low elbow
Rubens
Hall of Fame
Watched it. At trophy his elbow may be a small bit lower than the shoulders line (not significant), but then gets significantly lower at launch. Btw the pictures on the posts above also clearly show this. We see it on both angles. But it must be an optical illusion, right?
Rubens
Hall of Fame
Not relative to the shoulders line, and especially not getting lower after trophy.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Yes, I think so. He pulls the elbow really far back which is great imo, and that gives you the illusion that it’s initially higher than it actually is.
ballmachineguy
Hall of Fame
Good video. The farther the right shoulder travels to the time of contact, the faster the serve should be. Roddick would toss and get to trophy quickly, then do a little extra windup by pulling his elbow down. Seemed to work.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
It’s great you mentioned him actually. As we’ve been discussing in the other thread about the elbow position, having the racket in front of you at the beginning of the upward swing, Roddick seems to be the king of power position, along with Groth.
Slowtwitcher
Legend
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
Ok, keep going, what else do you see in this picture?I took the trouble because I'm tired of these repeated claims that have no resemblance to reality whatsoever.
J
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Its the hair. Its adding to the rotational momentum...
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Come one J011y the theater was calling. Can you blame him??
This is at the max knee bend position for both. Look at the knee bend, feet separation, open vs closed mouth .... just to name a few.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
I misread angina and wondered if there was a line or something.
MaxTennis
Professional
Theater and acting is one of my big passions. I actually landed a small acting role in an indie film so it's something I'm trying to break into during quarantine.
yossarian
Professional
A lot of throwers develop glenohumeral internal rotation deficit (GIRD). I have it. If that's the case you probably have posterior capsular tightness, and there are stretches you can do for it
Easy way to check is to quickly screen your internal rotation like so. Not a huge huge deal, but it can potentially lead to shoulder issues down the line
that's extremely cool
Slowtwitcher
Legend
Just word of caution here. These stretches mostly don't hurt when you're doing them and you might be inclined to really go for it... don't. You're going to feel it next time you're serving.
This is at the max knee bend position for both. Look at the knee bend, feet separation, open vs closed mouth .... just to name a few.
Which one is Federer?
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Why do you lift your arms up and down before the motion? I see other players do this, does it have a practical purpose?
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