Men US Open semifinalist avg 1st serve speed < 120mph

[ByeByePoly]

During one of the semis ... one of the commentators said 3 of the 4 semifinalist had avg 1st serves for the tournament under 115 mph. Delpo was the exception at 120 mph.

Does anyone know if there is somewhere to look those stats up. I looked, including us open website stats but couldn't find it.

 

[jm1980]

During one of the semis ... one of the commentators said 3 of the 4 semifinalist had avg 1st serves for the tournament under 115 mph. Delpo was the exception at 120 mph.

Does anyone know if there is somewhere to look those stats up. I looked, including us open website stats but couldn't find it.

Sounds about right. You can find match stats here. I think some of the "advanced" stats like serve speeds are hidden on mobile:
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/1701.html

You'd have to go through each match individually to get the average

I've done that and calculated the average first and second serve speeds for each of the semifinalists (from R1 to QF):

del Potro: 119 mph / 95 mph
Nadal: 110 mph / 91 mph
Djokovic: 109 mph / 88 mph
Nishikori: 106 mph / 86 mph

 

[ByeByePoly]

Sounds about right. You can find match stats here. I think some of the "advanced" stats like serve speeds are hidden on mobile:
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/1701.html

You'd have to go through each match individually to get the average

I've done that and calculated the average first and second serve speeds for each of the semifinalists (from R1 to QF):

del Potro: 119 mph / 95 mph
Nadal: 110 mph / 91 mph
Djokovic: 109 mph / 88 mph
Nishikori: 106 mph / 86 mph

Outstanding response ... thanks. Obviously avg 1st serve pace is going to include deuce out wide serves which are likely to bring averages down. Still ... kind of a lesson there ... still do not need 130-140 mph serve at the highest level.

 

[ChaelAZ]

I serve as fast as any pros.......























....second serve.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Sounds about right. You can find match stats here. I think some of the "advanced" stats like serve speeds are hidden on mobile:
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/1701.html

You'd have to go through each match individually to get the average

I've done that and calculated the average first and second serve speeds for each of the semifinalists (from R1 to QF):

del Potro: 119 mph / 95 mph
Nadal: 110 mph / 91 mph
Djokovic: 109 mph / 88 mph
Nishikori: 106 mph / 86 mph

"I think some of the "advanced" stats like serve speeds are hidden on mobile:"

And Kindle tablet. I went and checked on PC and "FULL STATS" was available to click on. I found out on Kindle tablet link not available in landscape ... but was if I turned sideways to landscape. Cr@p UI design ... but now I know how to find it.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I serve as fast as any pros.......

....second serve.

No.

 

[jm1980]

Outstanding response ... thanks. Obviously avg 1st serve pace is going to include deuce out wide serves which are likely to bring averages down. Still ... kind of a lesson there ... still do not need 130-140 mph serve at the highest level.

All these guys, except delPo, top out in the low 120s

I think even Fed's average is in the mid 110s

 

[dominikk1985]

Fed can serve 130 occasionally. Novak tops out like mid 120 and Nadal maybe low 120s. Nishikori is one of the worst servers in the top100.

You can win with a 120 mph serve but then you better be a top grinder like Nadal, Djokovic or nishikori.

Other more offensive players like thiem, wawrinka, Anderson, cillic, isner serve well over 130. On the other hand Nadal or Djokovic could probably beat most top100 without topping 100 at all but they are exceptions

 

[ByeByePoly]

Fed can serve 130 occasionally. Novak tops out like mid 120 and Nadal maybe low 120s. Nishikori is one of the worst servers in the top100.

You can win with a 120 mph serve but then you better be a top grinder like Nadal, Djokovic or nishikori.

Other more offensive players like thiem, wawrinka, Anderson, cillic, isner serve well over 130. On the other hand Nadal or Djokovic could probably beat most top100 without topping 100 at all but they are exceptions

100 mph to a corner is still an ace. 140 mph at the opponent may not come back, so they don't have to have pinpoint accuracy.

My guess is Fed is the most accurate server at 120ish in the history of the game.

 

[jm1980]

Fed's average and top serve speeds for the tournament:

Average 1st serve: 116 mph
Fastest 1st serve: 127 mph
Average 2nd serve: 97 mph
Fastest 2nd serve: 113 mph

And this guy is widely considered one of the best servers ever (1st and 2nd serves).

 

[ByeByePoly]

Fed's average and top serve speeds for the tournament:

Average 1st serve: 116 mph
Fastest 1st serve: 127 mph
Average 2nd serve: 97 mph
Fastest 2nd serve: 113 mph

And this guy is widely considered one of the best servers ever (1st and 2nd serves).

pace for show, target for $dough$

 

[jm1980]

Fed can serve 130 occasionally. Novak tops out like mid 120 and Nadal maybe low 120s. Nishikori is one of the worst servers in the top100.

You can win with a 120 mph serve but then you better be a top grinder like Nadal, Djokovic or nishikori.

Other more offensive players like thiem, wawrinka, Anderson, cillic, isner serve well over 130. On the other hand Nadal or Djokovic could probably beat most top100 without topping 100 at all but they are exceptions

Let's look at these guys' USO serving speed stats:

Wawrinka:
Avg 1st serve: 114 mph
Avg 2nd serve: 89 mph
Fastest 1st serve: 130 mph
1st serve %: 57.6%

Cilic:
Avg 1st serve: 116 mph
Avg 2nd serve: 92 mph
Fastest 1st serve: 135 mph
1st serve %: 57.2%

Thiem:
Avg 1st serve: 116 mph
Avg 2nd serve: 94 mph
Fastest 1st serve: 137 mph
1st serve %: 56.2%

Anderson:
Avg 1st serve: 125 mph
Avg 2nd serve: 105 mph
Fastest 1st serve: 139 mph
1st serve %: 64.0%

Isner:
Avg 1st serve: 124 mph
Avg 2nd serve: 109 mph
Fastest 1st serve: 141 mph
1st serve %: 68.5%

And just because you can crank 130-140 mph, it doesn't mean you are doing it regularly. Unless you are 6'8" or 6'10" like Anderson and Isner, you probably aren't going to make a lot them in at that speed anyway.

Look at the low percentages for Thiem and Wawrinka. Nadal and Djoko may serve 5-6 mph slower on average, but they are also making them in almost 10% more often (65% in for both of them)

 

[Dan Huben]

Fed's average and top serve speeds for the tournament:

Average 1st serve: 116 mph
Fastest 1st serve: 127 mph
Average 2nd serve: 97 mph
Fastest 2nd serve: 113 mph

And this guy is widely considered one of the best servers ever (1st and 2nd serves).

That .000000009% serve in the second set will put his lifetime average closer to mine.


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[StringSnapper]

No.

Havent you seen Chaels videos?!? He's a big guy looking guy. Most big guys that i play tend towards a massive serve and hard hit groundies

 

[ByeByePoly]

Havent you seen Chaels videos?!? He's a big guy looking guy. Most big guys that i play tend towards a massive serve and hard hit groundies

Just giving Chael some grief ... I'm sure he hits 140 mph

 

[tennis_balla]

The reason the averages aren't that high is because the pros save their shoulders.
I've talked about this before on here. The pros serve on average at 80-85% pace, which more or less corresponds to their average serve speeds and top serve speed. The reason for this is, the serve motion puts a lot of stress on your body and hitting serves for 3 sets, much less 5 sets, 10 or so months of the year will wear and tear you down. Rotator cuff injuries will creep up and destroy your career.

I had a talk about this with Pavel Kovac who traveled with Federer early in his career. Fed got to know Kovac through Mirka and he was his personal physiotherapist. I got a rotator cuff problem because of this from being a dumbass and going out and serving hard after not playing many matches and only coaching.
Anyways, the pros will only go full out a few points a year. Of course everyones top speed and average speed will be different, but they are not out there blasting away at 100% on each serve. This is a big mistake many club players make and end up getting hurt.

 

[Bender]

Sounds about right. You can find match stats here. I think some of the "advanced" stats like serve speeds are hidden on mobile:
https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/1701.html

You'd have to go through each match individually to get the average

I've done that and calculated the average first and second serve speeds for each of the semifinalists (from R1 to QF):

del Potro: 119 mph / 95 mph
Nadal: 110 mph / 91 mph
Djokovic: 109 mph / 88 mph
Nishikori: 106 mph / 86 mph

This should put to rest that Nadal is a puff ball server...110 / 91 are some good numbers

 

[Dragy]

This should put to rest that Nadal is a puff ball server...110 / 91 are some good numbers

And tons of spin!
Actually, Nadal mostly goes for conservative targets and shapes the serve so that it has more margin and remains very uncomfortable for the returner. The guy is confident in his ground game, in his fuel for long matches, and doesn't play the Ace gamble.
Ah, you know this since 2001? Huh...

 

[ByeByePoly]

This should put to rest that Nadal is a puff ball server...110 / 91 are some good numbers

I heard you guys had a bit of rain. Glad to see you are alive ... not sure about the posting.