Monfils disrespectful?

pabletion

Hall of Fame
disrespectful? Djokovic was the disrespectful one, he stuffed a 7/6 6/1 6/2 battering to Monfils!!

NO RESPECT!
 

edmondsm

Legend
Yeah Monfils kind of just mailed it in. He had another epic fail on a trick shot in the 3rd set. There's flashy, and then there's silly. He spends too much time doing the latter IMO. I've never really liked Monfils.
 

thejoe

Hall of Fame
I've never found Monfils the remotest bit likeable or even enjoyable to watch. People talk endlessly about the guy's ability and his talent, but whenever I've seen him play, I've never really seen this. Sure, he can hit hard, but he never does. He seems to push opponents into submission by using his speed and athleticism and that god-awful sliding.

He made himself look like a complete idiot. I'd hate to coach the guy.
 

jorel

Hall of Fame
and wat was that move at net putting his arms out... you are not a goalie in a soccer match,.. this is tennis... maybe his problem with winning is that he doesnt know what sport he's playing

personally... i think he was trying to show off to that famous French soccer player and the cute blond sitting next to him in the stands,
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
the often grossly misused word in TW, "clown", actually fits him on many occasions !
 

safinator

Rookie
Well, I see very rough comments on poor Monfils....

I don't think that it is disrespectful by any means to try to make a trick shot, if it was successful or not is another matter.

I don't think either that making trick shots makes him such an ugly or unpleasant to watch player.

Maybe you don't like to watch him try the trick shots and slide around, others get entertained this way, so in the end there are more ppl watching tennis, for some ppl his game might be attractive.
 

MixieP

Hall of Fame
Perhaps he is a troubled genius. He gets bored producing regular shots and to keep himself interested he attempts these seemingly moronic tricks.
 

willshot

Semi-Pro
so dumb.... if he makes it then everyone will not stop talking about "that shot".... but when someone misses they get stoned. lol.
 

jorel

Hall of Fame
Playing in front of 20000 people live on tv in the biggest tennis stadium in the world late into a Grand slam is not the time to hot dog it…(unless ur Fed)

Can you imagine Kobe Bryant trying a between the legs slam dunk in the middle of a playoff game… even he might get benched after a move like that…
 
Playing in front of 20000 people live on tv in the biggest tennis stadium in the world late into a Grand slam is not the time to hot dog it…(unless ur Fed)

Can you imagine Kobe Bryant trying a between the legs slam dunk in the middle of a playoff game… even he might get benched after a move like that…

No but I can imagine Kobe shooting 6-24 in game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals. Oh wait, I didn't imagine that.

And I can imagine him going scoreless in the 2nd half of game 7 vs Phoenix in 2006 playoffs 1st Round and refusing to shoot because his coach criticized him for shooting too much.
 

jorel

Hall of Fame
No but I can imagine Kobe shooting 6-24 in game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals. Oh wait, I didn't imagine that.

And I can imagine him going scoreless in the 2nd half of game 7 vs Phoenix in 2006 playoffs 1st Round and refusing to shoot because his coach criticized him for shooting too much.
someone doesnt like kobe

not that im a fan either
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
Just saying, he's not a great example of excellence.
What has Kobe's excellence (or lack of) got to do with Monfils?

Nobody is criticizing Monf for not being some exemplary MVP saint excelling above all others, but only because of his unnecessary/badly timed show antics coupled with lack of dedication/desire to win.
 
What has Kobe's excellence (or lack of) got to do with Monfils?

Nobody is criticizing Monf for not being some exemplary MVP saint excelling above all others, but only because of his unnecessary/badly timed show antics coupled with lack of dedication/desire to win.

Well, the statement was "Can you imagine Kobe Bryant trying a between the legs slam dunk in the middle of a playoff game… even he might get benched after a move like that…" and the fact is I can imagine Kobe doing things much worse than that. He does tend to take the worst shots, and a silly dunk is no different to that.
 
Kobe is an example of excellence, he had a bad game in Game 7 cause the C's had an awesome defense throughout the year (i'm a C's fan). The point re the original Kobe comment is that u won't find great players across sports generally hot dogging it when they are getting destroyed by their opponents.
 
Kobe is an example of excellence, he had a bad game in Game 7 cause the C's had an awesome defense throughout the year (i'm a C's fan). The point re the original Kobe comment is that u won't find great players across sports generally hot dogging it when they are getting destroyed by their opponents.

He saves his worst basketball for the NBA Finals where he always shoots between 40 and 43%, even against the Orlando Magic lol. Thank god they got Gasol (and before that Shaq).
 

dh003i

Legend
and wat was that move at net putting his arms out... you are not a goalie in a soccer match,.. this is tennis... maybe his problem with winning is that he doesnt know what sport he's playing

personally... i think he was trying to show off to that famous French soccer player and the cute blond sitting next to him in the stands,

What happens if a player is at net, the ball hits them from another player going at them with the ball, but it bounces back onto the other side of the net?
 

dh003i

Legend
so dumb.... if he makes it then everyone will not stop talking about "that shot".... but when someone misses they get stoned. lol.

Federer hits a lot of amazing shots, but I've never seen him go for a more flashy shot that is very unlikely to work just for the sake of doing so.
 

willshot

Semi-Pro
Federer hits a lot of amazing shots, but I've never seen him go for a more flashy shot that is very unlikely to work just for the sake of doing so.

maybe monfils makes it all the time during practice and other non televised matches..... who knows. i thought it was funny. Its better than someone quitting the match.
 

jorel

Hall of Fame
What happens if a player is at net, the ball hits them from another player going at them with the ball, but it bounces back onto the other side of the net?
they lose the point if they dont use the racquet..its called tennis and not soccer.. thats why u dont see Nadal kicking the ball over with his foot even tho he is a good soccer player

thinking about it more.. it was foolish of Monfil to do that soccer goalie thing at net cuz if it hits him on any part of his body ..he loses the point... the smart play is to make yourself smaller and give him a smaller target if possible

plus its unsportsmanlike... its a distraction

i like wat cahill said about if I was Djokovic... i would aim it straight for his chest.. then made a reference to how Lendl used to do that
 
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TourTenor

Professional
A couple of formulas ...
Tough overhead lob by opponent + Only one way to return shot + Federer talent = BRILLIANT PLAY :cool:
Short ball by opponent + Multiple ways to put ball away + Monfils clown = DIMWITTED MOVE :roll:
 

RogerRacket111

Semi-Pro
Whats disrespectful about trying to get the ball back and with some zing. That's his job. He probably figured in his head that's the shot that might work. Maybe he should be wearing long white pants to be respectful?
 
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Deleted member 21996

Guest
It never Monfils when it Gorans...

that said, it would take a nice pair of Wilanders to make a winning "Goran" shot, wich La Monf clearly doesnt have...
 

Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/te...?id=5548130&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

"As a ball headed toward him, Monfils jumped and brought his racket around his body and through his legs, when a regular swing would have sufficed. His attempt at a trick shot -- a variation of one Federer hit for a winner against Djokovic in the 2009 semifinals at Flushing Meadows -- landed in the net."

Thoughts?

Hmm! I didn't see the match, but, it seems to me that for Monfils to do that at 1-2 in the first set shows he disrespects himself and his game more than anything else. It's almost as if he mailed it in from the beginning because, deep down, he doesn't believe that he could win against a premier opponent in a major qf match.
 

Nadalfan89

Hall of Fame
Monfils has the record for fastest forehand ever, and 4th fastest serve ever, but decides to push like a 3.0 hacker and try stupid trickshots that fail. What a complete waste of talent.
 

JT_2eighty

Hall of Fame
It never Monfils when it Gorans...

that said, it would take a nice pair of Wilanders to make a winning "Goran" shot, wich La Monf clearly doesnt have...

you made me laugh today. good show.

by the way, someone needs to tell mr rodman fan he's in the wrong sport forum.

the tweener is pointless if you are facing forward there, monfils... that's what made that shot downright dumb
 

supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
Disrespectful? Of who? Or what?

Stupid? Hells yeah. He could've gone for a decent passing shot or a lob on that ball and instead he decided to throw the point away. At 2-all in the first set of a major quarterfinal. That's idiotic, not disrespectful. There are times to go for carnival shots. That wasn't one of them.
 

Juges8932

Rookie
Dennis Rodman 5-time NBA Champion, greatest rebounder of the 90s and 2-time Defensive Player of the Year.

Kobe Bryant:
5-time NBA champion
2-time Finals MVP
Regular season MVP
12-time All-Star
8-time All-NBA first team
2-time second team
2-time third team
2-time NBA scoring champion
8-time All-NBA first defensive team
2-time All-NBA second defensive team
3-time All-Star game MVP

Yet, you have no problem hand-picking certain stats to fit your agenda. Yes, Kobe historically struggles in the Finals. However, he does not play poorly in all of them (40-43%). He shot 51% in 2002 Finals. Also, he has always played his best in the Western-conference Finals, which until recent years, was MORE of a challenge than playing the Eastern-conference champion in the Finals. Until the Celtics in '08, the only team worth mentioning in the East were the Pistons. Then in '08 it changed, with the East having a few powerhouses.

Regardless, even in the first three-peat, Kobe was instrumental in getting the Lakers to the Finals with his spectacular play in the WCF. And as of the last three years- yeah, Gasol is a huge help. I'm not going to diminish Gasol as a player, but the Lakers would not have even sniffed the Finals if it weren't for Kobe. The entire team, minus Fisher, Artest, and Kobe got so complacent at times, just not giving a **** because "Oh, we're the Lakers, we can just win the next game." Kobe had to put them on his back and carry them to the Finals for the majority of these past playoffs. In '09 against the Rockets- what a joke. That series shouldn't have gone past 5 games once Yao went out. But the rest of the team, aside from Kobe, Fisher, and Ariza got lazy and didn't put forth effort. They would lose a game, then miraculously win by 20 the next. It was painfully evident when watching them play, including Gasol, that they were not putting out. They just expect Kobe to bail them out.

There is a lot more to basketball than just scoring buckets. Defense, passing, leadership, rebounding, etc. In the entire playoffs, Kobe played great defense. He set the tone with it. He left everything he had on the floor, which you can't say for the others. In that 6-for-24 game 7, he also had 15 rebounds and great defense. Both teams were stinking up the floor scoring-wise. It isn't like it was just Kobe. All of them were rushing, playing stupidly, and couldn't hit the Atlantic Ocean from 2-feet away. What largely gets overlooked though, is how both teams were fighting, tooth and nail, and playing great defense on one-another. There were a lot no-calls going on, especially in the first half, which is fine because it let's them play and that's how a game 7 should be played IMO, but it certainly helps to explain the poor play by ALL of the players.

Yes, post-Shaq/pre-Gasol, the Lakers never made it out of the first round. If you are trying to blame that **** on Kobe, what a joke. He was playing in the Western Conference, not the East, where you could (and still can) be sub .500 and make the playoffs. Should they have won the series against Phx? Of course, you have a 3-1 lead. However, they had no business having that lead in the first place. Phx was one of the hottest teams for a stretch of seasons, and should have swept those Lakers. Smush Parker as your starting PG and Kwame Brown as your starting C? Loooooooool. The same Smush who got ran out of the league for sucking horribly? Yeah, give me a break. In game 7, Kwame got fed at least 8 times in the first-half alone, right by the basket, where he bricked every one of those. Kobe had 23 points in the first half and the Lakers were still down, what, 20? He shot 3 times in the second half, yes. He realized that they weren't going to come back or win with him scoring all the points and taking all the shots. He tried getting the team more involved and they simply failed him. Kobe didn't have **** from '05-'07 to work with. The Lakers at the time weren't doing anything to get him a squad to build around him.

As for the current Gasol-era. Gasol is a great player (top-10/15 or so in the league right now). He was a good player before coming to the Lakers, but he also has the benefit of playing alongside Kobe. Kobe can penetrate and have the defense collapse on him, and bam, there he finds Gasol for the easy bucket. Gasol, Odom, and Bynum get countless easy buckets from Kobe's double-team attracting moves and play, especially Bynum. Gasol/Odom set him up a lot as well for the most easy baskets of anybody on the team. In '08 Gasol was still soft and scared. He got punked by the C's frontline. I like him, but please, let's not act like Gasol led the Lakers to the championship. He was instrumental, of course, in making that happen. He can run the floor, pass, shoot the mid-range, spin and hook with either hand, and dribble well for a big guy. He is one of the most versatile big men, if not the most, in the NBA right now. He has worked on his defensive intensity and definitely isn't the soft guy he was in the '08 Finals.

Kobe is a top-10 (lower, around 9-10) GOAT basketball players. How is that not a standard of excellence? He has great work ethic and does everything he can to win the game. Prior to last season, he worked with Hakeem Olajuwon on his post game to add more to his arsenal. His athleticism has gone down noticeably since '07, but he constantly looks for ways to improve so he can stay at the top of the game. He embraces competition and a challenge, not backing down from it. There is no way you would see him attempt an under-the-legs dunk in a game, much less a playoff game, much less a finals game, ESPECIALLY while down on the scoreboard. This the same guy, who when they are down, won't throw down dunks and just lays it in on a fast-break because he wants to make sure he scores.
 

JT_2eighty

Hall of Fame
^^Nice, but, not to be mean or anything, not too many people are going to spend time reading your detailed post.

This is a tennis forum, and most of us already knew kobe is better than rodman, and a poor comparison to monfils when comparing one sport to the other.

Back on topic... Monfils mailed it in, and now has to live with sports channels replaying his sad choices. Maybe he had a poker tourney to make... since he is signed with pokerstars and they have the online championships going on all this week and next... or he put money on djoker to win in 3... sorry just rambling nonsense now...
 
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The_Question

Hall of Fame
When Monfil did that trick shot, he was probably thinking 2 things...
1 - the match is lost...
2 - why not show off and top Fed?

Well, the end result was pure embarrassing...
 

pug

Semi-Pro
Dennis Rodman 5-time NBA Champion, greatest rebounder of the 90s and 2-time Defensive Player of the Year.


Very good stats. He did not win the championships by himself so he is only partly responsible there. Individually he could have been much, much better if he was not a world class head-case. Same for Monfils.
 
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Deleted member 21996

Guest
you made me laugh today. good show.

by the way, someone needs to tell mr rodman fan he's in the wrong sport forum.

the tweener is pointless if you are facing forward there, monfils... that's what made that shot downright dumb

it takes an "old school head" hunter to know what i refer to when i speak about "Goran" shot...

people's monday it was right?
 

Chanto

Rookie
Oh please. Will the elderly here stop complaining about Monfils? He's a top 50 player because he has the skill. He's got no obligation to play to the exact way that you want him to play, I guarantee that he appeals to the person that doesn't know tennis. A flashy, yet gritty player is just what tennis needs. He's got skills, and let's face it; tennis is an occupation in which one makes money. He's making his money, and he's having his fun at the same time.
 

xrxpapi12

Rookie
Playing in front of 20000 people live on tv in the biggest tennis stadium in the world late into a Grand slam is not the time to hot dog it…(unless ur Fed)

Can you imagine Kobe Bryant trying a between the legs slam dunk in the middle of a playoff game… even he might get benched after a move like that…
but Kobe is one of the greatest so that would be ok lol
 
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