More Observations and Perspectives from Masters Canada...

Deuce

Banned
On to the next day (Wednesday)...

Walking by a practice court, I saw Kevin Ullyett and Wayne Black hitting. But they were doing more than just hitting... they were trading cross-court forehands. But they were doing more than just hitting cross-court forehands... they were each trying to hit a small target placed in the corner of the court. The target was a small bottle of water. I asked Ullyett if they have money on this. He said "No - just favors" - likely meaning things like washing the other's Porsche or Jaguar. Ullyett hit the bottle twice. Black didn't hit it on the forehand. They then switched to backhand. Again, Ullyett hit it twice, prompting me to tell him he should film this as a commercial for Wilson racquets. Again, Black, using a Babolat Pure Drive (or at least the graphics of the Pure Drive) was shut out, thus offering yet more evidence that the Pure Drive is not a control racquet.

I then headed over to one of the outside courts they play matches on early in the week to watch some doubles. As I often do, I sat near a coach - this time, Leander Paes' coach, Balkishen Singh. I soon realized that I was literally in the center of the Paes 'entourage'. They were all nice people and we all had some fun when Paes rather insistently questioned a call on the baseline (which is where we all were sitting). Finally, after the humor died down, I said to Mr. Singh: "I guess the guys aren't very happy about the doubles changes, huh?" He replied, rather emphatically, "Nobody is happy." We engaged in a discussion on the subject, during which he said "The players don't know how or when these changes happened. The ATP is supposed to be an organization working with, for, and by the players - but the people at the top are making decisions on their own."

When I put forth the idea of a doubles-only circuit, Mr. Singh surprisingly wasn't very keen on the idea. He said that the changes are "just experimental", and likely won't remain. He's more optimistic in this regard than are many others.

Saw Lou again, exiting Court #1. I saw that he chatted in an amicable way with the usher. I said to him "Looks like you've got at least one usher in your pocket." He said "Yeah, I'm lucky - he likes me, and so lets me go down." A little later, on another court, Lou actually came up to me to ask the result of a previous match on that court. I cannot describe what an absolute honor that was.

At about 5pm, we were treated to a wonderful sound and light show, courtesy of Mother Nature. Lots of impressive lightning and extremely loud thunder. But only very few widely scattered drops of rain. The rain wasn't enough to put a stop to any tennis - but everyone was pulled off all the courts because of the lightning. This occurred just as the day session was ending, and so the place pretty much emptied out.

After the thunder & lightning moved off, it appeared that things were getting going again around 5:30pm. The linespeople, umpires, and ball kids all resumed their places on the courts, which were still bone dry. But no players came out. I spotted Gayle Bradshaw, and went over to him. Bradshaw is the ATP supervisor of tournaments. He was busy 'eeing and awing' on the walkie-talkie about the weather, and about whether the players should be brought out onto the courts - all while gazing up at the sky. I said to him "The lightning is 16 miles away now." He said "Yeah, but there's apparently more of it coming." I said "Well, there's a window open now to play - it would probably be good to take advantage of it and play." (30 minutes of the window had already been wasted.) He said something about safety and the unpredictability of lightning. I said, laughing, "The problem is that there's too much damn metal around this place." He laughed and said "Yeah, that is a big problem with lightning." I said "The next time they renovate this place, make sure they use plastics instead of metals wherever they can." With that, the rain began. As he headed off, Bradshaw said to me "We'll play tennis tonight - don't worry - we'll play." I said "If not, there'll be a lot of tennis tomorrow." He said "Yeah - it'll be a good ticket."

(Later in the night, after the rain stopped and play resumed, I had the interesting, and rather unique, opportunity to spend about an hour with Mr. Bradshaw, who, in addition to being the ATP supervisor of many tournaments, is also Vice-President of the ATP. We were completely alone - just the two of us - on the top walkway of court #1, from which perch we could see three matches. This was at about 11pm to midnight. I asked him several questions - about Lou, about the changes to doubles, about steroids, etc..., and we had an enjoyable little chat on a beautiful night. I'll put up a separate post - thread - about our conversation later, or tomorrow. I found it to be quite interesting.)

It rained from about 6pm to 7:30pm - and rained quite hard for some of that time. During this time of many umbrellas, I was searching for the exact type of umbrella that I lost about 2 ½ years ago. It is a rare gem - with twice the number of ribs of normal umbrellas - and so very solid. It also has transparent plastic 'windows' for every 4th section, so one can see oncoming traffic, etc. I loved that thing. Alas, I did not see even one umbrella of this type among the hundreds populating the area - that's how rare and special it is.

At 7:30pm, the noise began. The noise of the various court drying machines, most of which use very loud and polluting gasoline engines. Along with the noise, the smell of gasoline was everywhere. While I was walking around waiting for play to resume, I saw Mr. Bradshaw again. As I passed him, I said "You were right" (about not bringing the players onto the courts and about the weather). He smiled and said "Sometimes I get lucky."

8:15pm - A golf cart passes in front of me. All around its perimeter are 5 security men, almost hanging off the sides of the vehicle. I look a little closer and see that there is someone sitting in the middle of these men. It's Nadal, and the security guys are making an obvious attempt to conceal their human cargo. Nadal gets out and begins hitting with Ferrer on a still soaking wet practice court - one which has not been scheduled for drying. Both Nadal and Ferrer are playing later tonight. They hit for only 15 minutes, not moving very much, due to the wetness of the court.

Saw Norm Chryst, and wanted to ask for his perspective on ShotSpot - but with the court drying machines, it was far too noisy to even attempt verbal communication.

Went over to watch the El Aynaoui - Robredo match. On the very next court was Nalbandian - Beck. The Robredo courts had a small section of benches on both sides of the court, capable of holding no more than a few hundred people if packed full. The Nalbandian court had no seating at all (they played there due to the rain screwing with the schedule). So I (and several others) climbed to the top bench on the Robredo court, which position offered an excellent vantage point of the Nalbandian court. We were actually physically closer to the Nalbandian court than to the Robredo court, to which these modest benches belonged. Both matches went to tiebreaks in the first two sets - that's 4 tiebreaks in the first 90 minutes. Robredo won both of his tiebreaks, thus disposing of crowd favorite El Aynaoui. Younes nonetheless happily posed for photos and signed autographs for fans - most of whom appeared to possibly be of Moroccan descent - after his loss.

There was slight controversy in the match. At one point, the umpire told Robredo that he has to stop talking with his coach(es), because El Aynaoui can't understand what they're saying. Robredo seemed genuinely surprised, shrugged his shoulders, and just said "Ok." At the handshake when the match was over, El Aynaoui said something to Robredo - not really in anger, but more in a way that seemed like Younes was trying to explain something to him. Robredo just shrugged his shoulders again, as if he truly didn't understand what the big deal was.

(continued below...)
 

Deuce

Banned
(Continued from above...)


At 9:45pm, when Nadal is introduced over the loudspeakers At Centre Court, the Robredo - El Aynaoui court half empties. This is sad - it is simply humans imitating sheep and following whatever - or whomever - is at that particular moment most popular. When the Nadal match ended - about an hour after it began - almost everyone left the site - this, despite the fact that there was another match being played on Centre Court, as well as really great and close ongoing matches on Court #1 (Ferrero - Ferrer was 7-5 in the first set, and 3-3 in the second), and on the outer courts (Nalbandian - Beck were just starting the 3rd set after 2 tiebreaks, and Johansson & Malisse were tied at 4 in the first set). But 85% of the people left because Nadal was finished. Of course, it was later than usual (around 11pm) - but this tournament only comes around every two years, people... you'd think they'd appreciate the opportunity to watch world class tennis, and not simply a world class media attraction.

(Prior observations from the tournament are here... http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=63061 )
 

Deuce

Banned
To help with perspective, here's a photo I took while Black and Ulyett were at it (Wayne Black in the photo):

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VamosRafa

Hall of Fame
but this tournament only comes around every two years, people... you'd think they'd appreciate the opportunity to watch world class tennis, and not simply a world class media attraction.[/size][/font][/font]

Interesting report, Deuce. Thanks very much.

Although I understand your point, I do think that Rafa qualifies as a "world class tennis" player and "not simply a world class media attraction." His results this year are second to only you-know-who.

And we've been saying for a long time that tennis needs non-American tennis stars. We're getting a few of them, and that's good to see.
 

Deuce

Banned
I didn't mean to suggest that Nadal is anything less than a world class player... only that it is unfortunate that he is viewed by the majority as a world class media attraction first, as there is far more interest in him than in any other player, all of whose skills are very similar to those of Nadal.
 

VamosRafa

Hall of Fame
Deuce said:
I didn't mean to suggest that Nadal is anything less than a world class player... only that it is unfortunate that he is viewed by the majority as a world class media attraction first, as there is far more interest in him than in any other player, all of whose skills are very similar to those of Nadal.

Really? They just turned 19, have won 8 tournaments this year, including 2 Masters and a slam? And are 62-8 on the year?

If they were, they likely would generate significant interest as well.

A year ago Rafa probably would have been confused for a ballboy there. The interest in him is exacerbated by the media, certainly, but Latin looks and a great forehand don't get you very far unless you have results to back it up. If that were the case, Fernando Verdasco wouldn't be able to get out of the locker room without armed guards.
 

Deuce

Banned
Susan, as the originator of this thread, I am asking you to please not turn it into yet another of your neverending Nadal advertisements. We already know that to you, Nadal is the only pro tennis player alive - we need not be reminded again.

If you and others choose to have a crush on Nadal, and to place your focus solely on him, while ignoring all other players, that's fine - most unfortunate, but fine. Please do not, however, lecture me about how 'Rafa' is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I like the kid thus far. Please don't ruin that, or this thread.
 

Noelle

Hall Of Fame
EDIT: Okay, I didn't see Deuce's post above mine. Sorry about this (deleted) digression into Nadal's clothing; I was just curious about it since he looked like he was wearing something Taylor Dent's size.

[size=-5]I never thought I'd be mistaken for a Rafa fangirl though.[/size]
 

Deuce

Banned
Oh, girls... if you must, start another thread to discuss Nadal and his fashions - but don't stink up this thread with this fluff, please.
 

VamosRafa

Hall of Fame
I think his outfit looks fine, but the pants are different. It's part of the new Nike fall line. I think the pants have some ventilation in them. The shirt is new, too. And many fans are complaining it's too big, I find all that less interesting than posts about how people are wanting to see Rafa live just coz he's the latest media darling, and not coz of his tennis.

But don't worry about it, Noelle, us girls will leave Deuce to his important posts here.
 

Noelle

Hall Of Fame
Exiting thread now. This thread was interesting up until the point I realized it was supposed to be just about Deuce's observations and perspectives, and not about other people's as well. :)

EDIT: That was a cheap shot from me, and I'm sorry for it.
 

aj_m2009

Professional
Haha I have to agree with Noelle, if this thread means that much to you thats pretty sad. Id just be happy that I had a thread that actually got people to talk a little.:p;)
 

!Tym

Hall of Fame
Deuce said:
If you and others choose to have a crush on Nadal, and to place your focus solely on him, while ignoring all other players, that's fine - most unfortunate, but fine.

No, it's not "most unfortunate," not to me at least. How is it "fine" when you're making a personal judgement on how someone else should think? Do you not see how "fine" and "most unfortunate" do not go together like rice and the roni?

Democracy may not be perfect when it's not what you want to read, but at least it's not a sure step countdown to bruised feelings. Remember, with democracy we always have the right of way, which is to say, the right to skip.

Sometimes there's nothing wrong with simply accepting each other for who we are, even if that means skipping over someone. Angered? ...annoyed at the present time? So what? That's natural. We all feel that way at one time or another, but to me, skipping is better than getting bogged down in quicksand with feuds that go on like the chronic, something if you stick around long enough on these boards is bound to happen to us all sooner or later...though it doesn't have to be that way.

Now in real life, we have no choice. Someone gets in your face, they get in your face, bigger, smaller, for better or worse...let's get it on and bring the UFC camera guys too!

The difference is that on a message board, we're not dealing with real life. We're dealing with a come and go domain of our choosing. We are each individuals and as long as nobody is smashing windows and stealing cars, really now what is the worst offense we can make in this virtual "community?" We are each equally empowered to read whatever we want to read, and ignore whatever we don't. We can see what we will in whatever someone else posts, because quite frankly that's what humans left to their own devices do. If someone posts about cereal, and I see Bruguera in it, Laurie see Sampras, VamosRafa sees Rafa, PDCM sees Moya, Andy sees Venus, and TripleB sees a shiny new tennis racket; then well what can you say? I say simply, people are people, let them be. Live and let be.

No slap in the face? No harm, no foul. Life moves on.
 

VamosRafa

Hall of Fame
The only difference is that VamosRafa is going to be in Cincy reporting on whoever is there (hopefully Rafa will make it -- but if he doesn't, I'll still be reporting).

In any event, Deuce, you can come over and fluff up our Cincy threads any time you want. Us girls may actually discuss some doubles, maybe go out and watch Santoro on Court 12, etc. And we may really surprise you, and even try to catch Fed-whatever in action.

Just kidding.

Tym makes some good points, though. I know you say you like "the kid," but you sounded resentful of his success. Sorry if I misunderstood that, but it's pretty obvious why Rafa is getting this attention. And perhaps, in the end, he, Roger and others will continue to appeal to No. American viewers and help with tennis popularity. There's no doubt in my mind that Rafa is the current "Sharapova" in men's tennis. I have the website statistics to show it. What you are reporting in Montreal is consistent with that. So thanks. I may get to see it for myself in Cincy.

When I last saw Rafa in TMS Miami, if you can believe this, no media asked for an interview of him after any of his first three matches, except for this one guy representing Diario de Mallorca. I tagged along, and he translated and we did the interviews together outside the locker room. Things have changed in a very short period of time -- and it's because Rafa did some stuff to make that change. At least in my view.
 

Yours!05

Professional
General thread hijacking comment

!Tym said:
...Democracy may not be perfect when it's not what you want to read, but at least it's not a sure step countdown to bruised feelings. Remember, with democracy we always have the right of way, which is to say, the right to skip.
Sometimes there's nothing wrong with simply accepting each other for who we are, even if that means skipping over someone. Angered? ...annoyed at the present time? So what? That's natural. We all feel that way at one time or another, but to me, skipping is better than getting bogged down in quicksand with feuds that go on like the chronic, something if you stick around long enough on these boards is bound to happen to us all sooner or later...though it doesn't have to be that way...
Now in real life, we have no choice...
The difference is that on a message board, we're not dealing with real life. We're dealing with a come and go domain of our choosing. We are each individuals and as long as nobody is smashing windows and stealing cars, really now what is the worst offense we can make in this virtual "community?" We are each equally empowered to read whatever we want to read, and ignore whatever we don't. We can see what we will in whatever someone else posts, because quite frankly that's what humans left to their own devices do. If someone posts about cereal, and I see Bruguera in it, Laurie see Sampras, VamosRafa sees Rafa, PDCM sees Moya, Andy sees Venus, and TripleB sees a shiny new tennis racket; then well what can you say? I say simply, people are people, let them be. Live and let be...
Well said !Tym, but this tennis Board is the only one I can tolerate - because there is still some self-control and discipline exercised (no it's not like it was). It's not dominated by psychotic crazies (check out rec.sport.tennis for this), the focus is almost always on some element of tennis, except in O&E and R&R, but is is a pity in my view that many a really interesting discussion gets completely overwhelmed by often puerile off topic irrelevancies. It'd be a fine thing if 2 people could have a brief exchange about some secondary element of the topic under discussion, especially as the strict TW email and PM policy makes this difficult to engage in privately, but the reality is, as we all know, the very mention of a key word like capri can take us within a few minutes to who is g a y - you are no you are - and before you know it the feuders are circling as well.
The extreme irony of a post claiming to be about thread hijacking actually adding to it is fully understood by me BTW;)
 

larrhall

Semi-Pro
The tournament report was excellent. Deuce's writing skills are escalating...the rest of the thread is predictable. Nice comments from SpecialK - perceptive as usual. The choice is always there - don't read, don't get upset. Get upset, don't respond. Get upset and respond and anticipate the response. Now, if you ask me, Susan's Rafa thing is beneficial to these Boards. Why? It provides lots of reportage for those of us who no longer watch much tennis. Her interest is passionate. To me, it's no less unusual or more so than Deuce's fascination with everything 'tournament' - and I say that as someone who used to drink in every pro tournament I could. Lost interest, but for me it was part of an overall fascination with tennis, also mostly gone. The fact that it's mostly gone still leaves me with nice memories of traveling to tournaments, etc...

But this entire Board is 'dominated' - its regular posters are junkies. Everybody's obsession comes from a different angle, okay. Some people write a whole lot and don't say much, others do and do, some write seldom and say interesting things...what can you say?

Personally, I pay more attention to VamasRafa's posts now that her predictions about Rafael have come true. Peeking at the thread on announcers, it's clear that a lot of people here know a great deal about the game and are less biased than some announces. So for instance I saw the poll on Rusedski and saw his results in Montreal, and remember listening to Pat McEnroe trashing him during Indian Wells, saying Greg doesn't belong in the top 100, that he's too slow for pro tennis (in so many words). Then again, filtering announce guys' prejudices is part of being a knowledgeable fan - we can test certain statements against our own spectating expertise.

Anyhow, the Deuce-ster gives good report.
 
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