Murray doesn't fits in the list of this era greats i.e Federer , Nadal , Djokovic

fastgrass

Banned
I wonders peoples often suggest Murray in current era's
great players.
Murray doesn't fits in this list not even close to this guys
fed, nadal , rafa .
murra got two slams and Olympic gold . I'm not saying this is not impressive but murra couldn't reach the levels of these three.
Now comparing their records
1) federer vs Murray
17 majors >>>>>>> 2 majors
also 302weaks at no 1 >>>>>>>>> 0 weaks at no 1
murra haven't achieved this task because he lacks in
consistency.
21 masters >>> 9 masters
also completed career slam.
77 titles>>> 28 titles

Also fed had his ultra dominant era from 04- 07. murra hadn't dominated the tour yet that's why he couldn't
achieve no 1 spot and in future will not achieve anyway.

conclusion - Fed is GOAT candidate . he don't deserve
to be in the list Murray. I.e big four.

2) R . Nadal

12majors >>>> 2 majors
26 masters >>>> 9 masters
59 titles>>> 28 titles
102 weeks at no1 >>> 0 week at no1
Nadal has long dominance on one surface that is clay.
he also evolved his game to complete career slam.
no chance Murray will complete career slam.
nadal is almost of same age of murra so we can see large
difference in their resumes.
conclusion- Nadal is also GOAT Candidate also don't
deserve to be in same list of Murray.

3) N . Djokovic-

6 majors >>>2 majors
14 masters>>9 masters
100 weeks at no 1>>>> 0 weeks at no 1

Djokovic have beaten nada or federer to win 5 of his
6 slams who are goat candidates.

currently riding on second longest SF streak in open era (14)
shows his consistency.
He is often called. second best HC player in his era
also have super dominant 2011 season with 5 masters(0pen
era record) and 3 slams
also have 2 consecutive year end no 1 finishes.
He also of same age of murra but you can see big difference
between their resumes.
i can't understand why peoples says murra is more
talented than nole.but records tell true story.
Currently nole has tied with Becker for slam record
and most like will break this record to tie with mcenroe
for slam record for 7.

conclusion- djokovic already in the list of legends of tennis
in his prime may overtake other sports greats in future.
he also don't deserve to be in same list murra.

ANOTHER APPROACH-

This three have elevated their games to new levels to achieve that consistency that no one have achieved before.

This three are in list of all time greats of this sport.
and occasionally playing in the same era of Murray who hadn't achieved many records like these. guys can't fit
in their list

WHAT MURRAY LACKS?

He has never achieved no 1 spot in his career shows that
how inconsistent he is.
He always fails on clay . by skipping 3 masters and one
major he can not dominate tour.
He is very late starter . he wins his first slam at 26 at same
age federer done his work , Borg retired at this age.
He wins his first slam after worlds best coaching from
lendl at the age of retirement in tennis shows that he is not
talented enough to win his first slam at 20-22 age.
he required lots of mug. work achieve this.


OVERALL CONCLUSION

fed nadal nole are legends of the sport. they only deserve
honour of era's best players.
Big four concept is fake. Viewing records we can conclude that murra not even closer to this guys.
He better fits in the list of one or two slam wonders
like Hewitt, safin and roddick
he also not achieved no spot so he worse than Hewitt also
which was considered as weak era clown.
then how he is in same list. of fed even he is worse than
his pigeon?.
murra is still impressive but not like this three .
winning two fluke slams cant make him to sit in list of
these three
SO WE SHOULD CALL BIG THREE INSTEAD OF FOUR REFERRING THIS FOUR. .
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Doesn't he? Oh what a shame! Oh, well, never mind. We can't all be all-time tennis greats now, can we?

But what took you so long to post another hate thread about Murray? It must be all of 15 minutes since you posted the last one.

How about this as a title for your next one:

" Can somebody please advise me how I can stop posting all these hate threads about one particular tennis player before I go completely insane?"

Maybe some nice, fellow Indian will take pity on you and can help you before the mods finally get round to banning you.

(PS. What is it about Indians that so many of them hate Murray? Is it bcause he is British? If he were French or German, would they still bother?)

End of thread.
 
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Tenez101

Banned
USO (breaking 76 year British slam-winner drought)...

Wimbledon (breaking 77 year British Wimbledon-winner drought...in front of home crowd)...

Olympic Singles Gold (beating Federer in the final and denying him the one prize he didn't have..IN FRONT OF HOME CROWD)....

Sounds pretty great to me.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
USO (breaking 76 year British slam-winner drought)...

Wimbledon (breaking 77 year British Wimbledon-winner drought...in front of home crowd)...

Olympic Singles Gold (beating Federer in the final and denying him the one prize he didn't have..IN FRONT OF HOME CROWD)....

Sounds pretty great to me.

Forget it. He's a troll. Don't bother feeding him.
 

fastgrass

Banned
Doesn't he? Oh what a shame! Oh, well, never mind. We can't all be all-time tennis greats now, can we?

But what took you so long to post another hate thread about Murray? It must be all of 15 minutes since you posted the last one.

How about this as a title for your next one:

" Can somebody please advise me how I can stop posting all these hate threads about one particular tennis player before I go completely insane?"

Maybe some nice, fellow Indian will take pity on you and can help you before the mods finally get round to banning you.

(PS. What is it about Indians that so many of them hate Murray? Is it bcause he is British? If he were French or German, would they still bother?)

End of thread.

you also know that murra is not in the list if this era's
best. instead of arguing logically you are calling
me troll again,and again.
I will not be banned , forget about it.
Nobody is paying attention to your crying !!
cry , cry in every thread.!!

one note - yesterday you told you will never enter in my thread . when will you stop doing this dirty job?
murra pays you for that?
come to me , I will give you some more money.
I need some labradors in my bungalow!!!
 
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6-3 6-0

Guest
Doesn't he? Oh what a shame! Oh, well, never mind. We can't all be all-time tennis greats now, can we?

But what took you so long to post another hate thread about Murray? It must be all of 15 minutes since you posted the last one.

How about this as a title for your next one:

" Can somebody please advise me how I can stop posting all these hate threads about one particular tennis player before I go completely insane?"

Maybe some nice, fellow Indian will take pity on you and can help you before the mods finally get round to banning you.

(PS. What is it about Indians that so many of them hate Murray? Is it bcause he is British? If he were French or German, would they still bother?)

End of thread.

Oh please! I am an Indian, and I respect AMurray (not a fan though). There are quite a lot of Indians I see here, but very few disrespects him. So, I have no idea how you concluded that most Indians have something against your boy.

Plus, how do you know OP is an Indian? Just curious o_O
 

Crose

Professional
People don't mention him with the other 3 based on what he's done or is doing. They do it based on what he CAN do. Murray has shown us flashes of brilliant stuff, all time great playing. Like when he demolished Nadal in Tokyo. Or wiped the floor with Djokovic at Wimbledon. The guy pushes a lot of the times, but when he's aggressive, confident, and focused, he really is a pleasure to watch and you can see why he's grouped with the others. Sadly he might go down as one of those Safin-like players who never maximized their games. On the positive side, he has time, but he needs to get his **** together now and bring it at AO2014.
 

MonkeyBoy

Hall of Fame
In slams Murray is equal to Nastase — someone widely regarded as an all time great. The Muzz has actually made more slam finals.
 

FreeBird

Legend
Doesn't he? Oh what a shame! Oh, well, never mind. We can't all be all-time tennis greats now, can we?

But what took you so long to post another hate thread about Murray? It must be all of 15 minutes since you posted the last one.

How about this as a title for your next one:

" Can somebody please advise me how I can stop posting all these hate threads about one particular tennis player before I go completely insane?"

Maybe some nice, fellow Indian will take pity on you and can help you before the mods finally get round to banning you.

(PS. What is it about Indians that so many of them hate Murray? Is it bcause he is British? If he were French or German, would they still bother?)

End of thread.

No, I am an Indian and I have defended Murray several times here. So, don't be biased just because kalyan and fast grass don't like him.

Plus, how do you know OP is an Indian? Just curious o_O

Are hindi main bolo to sahi fast grass ko kuch, pata pad jayega. Kyu fast grass, kya kehna hai tumhara is mudde par? ;)
 
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fAST GRASS 's hate towards 'murra' is unwarranted but do you believe 1 % of what you said? :shock:

You don't think he has a chance to clinch the number 1 spot ?
Maybe, I exaggerated when I said next year but it will happen eventually, and i'm serious. I'm saying it because I believe in it.
 

fastgrass

Banned
I wonders peoples often suggest Murray in current era's
great players.
Murray doesn't fits in this list not even close to this guys
fed, nadal , rafa .
murra got two slams and Olympic gold . I'm not saying this is not impressive but murra couldn't reach the levels of these three.
Now comparing their records
1) federer vs Murray
17 majors >>>>>>> 2 majors
also 302weaks at no 1 >>>>>>>>> 0 weaks at no 1
murra haven't achieved this task because he lacks in
consistency.
21 masters >>> 9 masters
also completed career slam.
77 titles>>> 28 titles

Also fed had his ultra dominant era from 04- 07. murra hadn't dominated the tour yet that's why he couldn't
achieve no 1 spot and in future will not achieve anyway.

conclusion - Fed is GOAT candidate . he don't deserve
to be in the list Murray. I.e big four.

2) R . Nadal

12majors >>>> 2 majors
26 masters >>>> 9 masters
59 titles>>> 28 titles
102 weeks at no1 >>> 0 week at no1
Nadal has long dominance on one surface that is clay.
he also evolved his game to complete career slam.
no chance Murray will complete career slam.
nadal is almost of same age of murra so we can see large
difference in their resumes.
conclusion- Nadal is also GOAT Candidate also don't
deserve to be in same list of Murray.

3) N . Djokovic-

6 majors >>>2 majors
14 masters>>9 masters
100 weeks at no 1>>>> 0 weeks at no 1

Djokovic have beaten nada or federer to win 5 of his
6 slams who are goat candidates.

currently riding on second longest SF streak in open era (14)
shows his consistency.
He is often called. second best HC player in his era
also have super dominant 2011 season with 5 masters(0pen
era record) and 3 slams
also have 2 consecutive year end no 1 finishes.
He also of same age of murra but you can see big difference
between their resumes.
i can't understand why peoples says murra is more
talented than nole.but records tell true story.
Currently nole has tied with Becker for slam record
and most like will break this record to tie with mcenroe
for slam record for 7.

conclusion- djokovic already in the list of legends of tennis
in his prime may overtake other sports greats in future.
he also don't deserve to be in same list murra.

ANOTHER APPROACH-

This three have elevated their games to new levels to achieve that consistency that no one have achieved before.

This three are in list of all time greats of this sport.
and occasionally playing in the same era of Murray who hadn't achieved many records like these. guys can't fit
in their list

WHAT MURRAY LACKS?

He has never achieved no 1 spot in his career shows that
how inconsistent he is.
He always fails on clay . by skipping 3 masters and one
major he can not dominate tour.
He is very late starter . he wins his first slam at 26 at same
age federer done his work , Borg retired at this age.
He wins his first slam after worlds best coaching from
lendl at the age of retirement in tennis shows that he is not
talented enough to win his first slam at 20-22 age.
he required lots of mug. work achieve this.


OVERALL CONCLUSION

fed nadal nole are legends of the sport. they only deserve
honour of era's best players.
Big four concept is fake. Viewing records we can conclude that murra not even closer to this guys.
He better fits in the list of one or two slam wonders
like Hewitt, safin and roddick
he also not achieved no spot so he worse than Hewitt also
which was considered as weak era clown.
then how he is in same list. of fed even he is worse than
his pigeon?.
murra is still impressive but not like this three .
winning two fluke slams cant make him to sit in list of
these three
SO WE SHOULD CALL BIG THREE INSTEAD OF FOUR REFERRING THIS FOUR. .

Oh please! I am an Indian, and I respect AMurray (not a fan though). There are quite a lot of Indians I see here, but very few disrespects him. So, I have no idea how you concluded that most Indians have something against your boy.

Plus, how do you know OP is an Indian? Just curious o_O

he is troll obsessed by murra .
he also knows that murra is not enough good to be
considered as greats of era. that's why he is changing
direction of discussion to Indian - British hating essue.
there is no evidence of that Indians are hating murra
he is just gora kuuttaa!!!!
 

tusharlovesrafa

Hall of Fame
Doesn't he? Oh what a shame! Oh, well, never mind. We can't all be all-time tennis greats now, can we?

But what took you so long to post another hate thread about Murray? It must be all of 15 minutes since you posted the last one.

How about this as a title for your next one:

" Can somebody please advise me how I can stop posting all these hate threads about one particular tennis player before I go completely insane?"

Maybe some nice, fellow Indian will take pity on you and can help you before the mods finally get round to banning you.

(PS. What is it about Indians that so many of them hate Murray? Is it bcause he is British? If he were French or German, would they still bother?)

End of thread.

DO NOT FALL IN TO THE TRAP,DUDE!!! i dont think it's being about indian..I am Indian myself and i don;t hate him.He is just trolling us..
 
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fastgrass

Banned
hey fastgrass, can i ask you when and how did you come to hate Muzza that much?

I never hates Murray.
I know that his. two slam victories were fluke and due to luck only.
I have predicted before QF that he will lose in QF in separate
thread . only I have voted he will lose in QF .there are some foolish members voting he will be winner!!
I know his game very well. player with big shot easily
outclass him .like Stan does even berd and gulbis did that.
he don't. have spectator defence like rafa and nole nor have
attack like fed.
HE IS JUST LABRADOR RUNNING FOR UES. ONLY.
HE SHOULD. BE IN OLYMPICS CHALLENGING BOLT FOR
100M RACE!"
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Why? Are they taking away his 2 slams that he won against Novak Djokovic on two different surfaces? The Scot is gonna win more slams, you know.
 

fastgrass

Banned
Why? Are they taking away his 2 slams that he won against Novak Djokovic on two different surfaces? The Scot is gonna win more slams, you know.

he will not win any. you know that even if he wins one GS he will not sit in their list.
 
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fastgrass

Banned
No, I am an Indian and I have defended Murray several times here. So, don't be biased just because kalyan and fast grass don't like him.



Are hindi main bolo to sahi fast grass ko kuch, pata pad jayega. Kyu fast grass, kya kehna hai tumhara is mudde par? ;)

kuch nahi bas ye kutta overrated he . us ko jamin LA raha hook. muze madat karo!!
 

ScottleeSV

Hall of Fame
There is a massive gap between each of the 'top four' (17>12>6>2) and unfortunately for Murray, he's bottom of the pile. Chances are, right or wrong, he will always be regarded as the weak man of the group, the guy they lumped in just to make the numbers even.

Nothing in that pecking order will be changing any time soon (and in most cases, it never will).
 

fastgrass

Banned
There is a massive gap between each of the 'top four' (17>12>6>2) and unfortunately for Murray, he's bottom of the pile. Chances are, right or wrong, he will always be regarded as the weak man of the group, the guy they lumped in just to make the numbers even.

Nothing in that pecking order will be changing any time soon (and in most cases, it never will).

finally some one here who got meaning of thread.
thank you!!
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
There is a massive gap between each of the 'top four' (17>12>6>2) and unfortunately for Murray, he's bottom of the pile. Chances are, right or wrong, he will always be regarded as the weak man of the group, the guy they lumped in just to make the numbers even.

Nothing in that pecking order will be changing any time soon (and in most cases, it never will).

Bottom of the pile is still amazing. It's better to be last in the city than first in the village.
 
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JRAJ1988

Guest
Andy Murray is the best British player in the Open Era, he has played in an era in which Djokovic, Nadal and Federer are more consistent, he's a credit to tennis and when he ended his odyssey to win the US Open last year I was elated with him, I was even more happy when he won Wimbledon....his story was at it's pinnacle to see him win
 

cork_screw

Hall of Fame
I don't think anyone is really classifying him as an "era great" whatever that means. The one thing that puts him into any type of historical great reference is being probably one of the most successful British/Scottish tennis players next to Fred Perry. And that's it. Regionally he's to be celebrated. You just threw him into a category that you made up, that nobody really placed him in and now you're arguing it. ? Don't understand, but of course nobody sees him on par with roger/rafa/djok. Hell, djok who is odd man of the three has 3x the amount of majors of andy's. Why are you making this point? I don't get it. I find it strange when people make a point that nobody adopts, then they argue against it.
 
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fastgrass

Banned
I don't think anyone is really classifying him as an "era great" whatever that means. The one thing that puts him into any type of historical great reference is being probably one of the most successful British/Scottish tennis players next to Fred Perry. And that's it. Regionally he's to be celebrated. You just threw him into a category that you made up, that nobody really placed him in and now you're arguing it. ? Don't understand, but of course nobody sees him on par with roger/rafa/djok. Hell, djok who is odd man of the three has 3x the amount of majors of andy's. Why are you making this point? I don't get it. I find it strange when people make a point that nobody adopts, then they argue against it.

what is big four?
he was taken into consideration after his slam victoies.
nobody is taking away his advantage of winning two slams
but whenever you see this era its highlighted by only three
players not four. the fourth may sit in range of one or
two slam wonders like Hewitt.
THIS IS END OF CONCEPT BIG FOUR!! IT SHOULD BE BIG THREE THATS MY POINT!"
 
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